Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 04:49:11 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:49:11 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Message-ID: <003701c2390e$666d4e00$0b01a8c0@mjm2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C238EC.DE38D8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an = emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL = libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages = that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, = the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the = machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due = anything, just a heads up. MJM ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C238EC.DE38D8E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Looks like throes group screwed the = pooch=20 again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place = right=20 now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and = the=20 packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes = find out,=20 the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the = machine=20 is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due = anything, just=20 a heads up.

MJM

------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C238EC.DE38D8E0-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 04:50:17 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Ed Kroposki) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:50:17 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Good Day! References: <3D4817D4.2090003@rogers.com> Message-ID: <002301c2390e$8e54c240$bb10613f@kroposki> Murray, You will have to ask Stan about his secret list of Canadian Rhodies. I know that he has personally delivered at least one there. Ask him. Ed K From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 05:08:13 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:08:13 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin In-Reply-To: <003701c2390e$666d4e00$0b01a8c0@mjm2> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> --=====================_136667837==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks Michael, Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-) Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never having a clue what the heck was going on. Rik At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an >emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL libraries >are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages that they >link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, the list >might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the machine is >boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due anything, >just a heads up. > >MJM --=====================_136667837==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never having a clue what the heck was going on.

Rik

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due anything, just a heads up.

MJM

--=====================_136667837==_.ALT-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 05:14:34 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:14:34 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <007401c23911$f2692700$0b01a8c0@mjm2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C238F0.6A751640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. = openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on = the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer = overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on the = web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over which is = very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a security = package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom = before someone try to give us the clap :-) MJM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Thanks Michael, Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is = going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. = :-) :-) Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never = having a clue what the heck was going on. Rik At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote: Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an = emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL = libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages = that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, = the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the = machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due = anything, just a heads up. =20 MJM ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C238F0.6A751640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It not only me, 50% of the web should = be doing the=20 same thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is = a real=20 screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, = a=20 buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy = on the=20 web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over which is = very=20 very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a security package in = it self.=20 This is preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before someone try = to give=20 us the clap :-)

MJM

----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Rik=20 Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 = 12:08=20 AM

Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] = Headup, list=20 admin

Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, = what's=20 this???? notice that there is going to be a problem????? What a = concept. Never=20 seen that done before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, = for one,=20 got kinda tired of never having a clue what the heck was going=20 on.

Rik

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you = wrote:

Looks=20 like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an = emergency=20 upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL libraries are = being=20 replaced on this machine right now and the packages that they link = to,=20 security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, the list might = be slow=20 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the machine is boot in = to the=20 new kernel and packages, no member need to due anything, just a = heads=20 up.

MJM

------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C238F0.6A751640-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 05:21:16 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:21:16 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question Message-ID: <008901c23912$e171a070$0b01a8c0@mjm2> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Kroposki" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > Rick, Dennis, > What is the reason for making surge brakes on > trailers illegal? Does that include all brakes on trailers? What about > those state that require brakes on trailers carry specified weights? > > > Ed K > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis J Sitler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 8:24 PM > Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > Hi Rick, > > I would be interested in what they might have to say, if it isn't too much > > trouble for you. My plans are to get my boat sailable for this fall up > here, > > and do more work on it and rebuild the trailer over winter. I hope to take > > it down to the bay next spring to spend weekends there. I have seen boat > > trailers with surge brakes, but I don't recall any with electric. I was > > planning to get stainless steel disk brakes with a new surge unit. I am > > planning on calling the MVA and getting information from them when I get a > > chance, maybe tomorrow. Appreciate any help,and thanks. > > > > Denny, > > 1974 R22 Gossamer Wing > > Berwick, PA > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rick Redmond > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:12 PM > > Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > > > > Denny, > > > > > > I just saw this article in a magazine about Chesapeake Bay boating. So > > its > > > is true. Check with your local police to see if MD can enforce their > law > > on > > > trailers that are registered and tagged in other states. If you like, I > > > could check with my local MD State Police Barracks to see how they are > > going > > > to enforce this law. > > > > > > Rick Redmond > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dennis J Sitler" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 7:38 PM > > > Subject: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > > > > > > > This is a question to Rhodies in the Chesapeake Bay area. A friend who > > has > > > a > > > > boat in the upper bay told me that the Governor of Maryland signed a > law > > > > into effect making surge brakes illegal in the state. He also said > that > > > the > > > > fine was like $500 or more. Supposedly the law was for trucks but as > it > > > > turned out it ended up including boat trailers. I need to put brakes > on > > my > > > > trailer after I get my boat done ( whenever that happens). Since I > live > > in > > > > PA but want to sail on the bay this is a concern to me and possibly > the > > > rest > > > > of you. I have a dual axle trailer that in PA if registered over 3000 > > > pounds > > > > needs brakes on all 4 wheels to pass inspection. I was going to put 4 > > disk > > > > brakes and a new surge unit on it. I think this is the ideal setup for > > > this > > > > type trailer. I could use any information on this situation before I > > spend > > > > money on something that won't be legal where I want to use it. Any > help > > > will > > > > be appreciated. > > > > > > > > Denny, > > > > 1974 R22 Gossamer Wing > > > > Berwick, PA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ** 6 of 197 list members have joined SailPerks ** > > > > SailPerks save you money while supporting this List. > > > > Visit http://www.sailnet.com/sailperks/ for details. > > > > > > > > 10% off all Bluewater Sails Ordered in July! > > > > Order any AirForce Bluewater sail during the > > > > month of July and get a 10% discount. > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/airforce/options_quoter/index.cfm > > > > > > > > The rhodes-list is brought to you by SailNet, Where Sailors Get It! > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: rhodes-list-unsubscribe@sailnet.net > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: rhodes-list-help@sailnet.net > > > > This message is part of thread number 13988. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ** 6 of 197 list members have joined SailPerks ** > > > SailPerks save you money while supporting this List. > > > Visit http://www.sailnet.com/sailperks/ for details. > > > > > > 10% off all Bluewater Sails Ordered in July! > > > Order any AirForce Bluewater sail during the > > > month of July and get a 10% discount. > > > http://www.sailnet.com/airforce/options_quoter/index.cfm > > > > > > The rhodes-list is brought to you by SailNet, Where Sailors Get It! > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: rhodes-list-unsubscribe@sailnet.net > > > For additional commands, e-mail: rhodes-list-help@sailnet.net > > > This message is part of thread number 13989. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ** 6 of 197 list members have joined SailPerks ** > > SailPerks save you money while supporting this List. > > Visit http://www.sailnet.com/sailperks/ for details. > > > > 10% off all Bluewater Sails Ordered in July! > > Order any AirForce Bluewater sail during the > > month of July and get a 10% discount. > > http://www.sailnet.com/airforce/options_quoter/index.cfm > > > > The rhodes-list is brought to you by SailNet, Where Sailors Get It! > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: rhodes-list-unsubscribe@sailnet.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: rhodes-list-help@sailnet.net > > This message is part of thread number 13990. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** 6 of 197 list members have joined SailPerks ** > SailPerks save you money while supporting this List. > Visit http://www.sailnet.com/sailperks/ for details. > > 10% off all Bluewater Sails Ordered in July! > Order any AirForce Bluewater sail during the > month of July and get a 10% discount. > http://www.sailnet.com/airforce/options_quoter/index.cfm > > The rhodes-list is brought to you by SailNet, Where Sailors Get It! > To unsubscribe, e-mail: rhodes-list-unsubscribe@sailnet.net > For additional commands, e-mail: rhodes-list-help@sailnet.net > This message is part of thread number 13991. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 05:22:20 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:22:20 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question References: <008901c23912$e171a070$0b01a8c0@mjm2> Message-ID: <009101c23913$07ded0c0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> I read the veto, get this, it because they do not work when you back up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Meltzer" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:21 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Kroposki" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > > > Rick, Dennis, > > What is the reason for making surge brakes on > > trailers illegal? Does that include all brakes on trailers? What about > > those state that require brakes on trailers carry specified weights? > > > > > > Ed K > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dennis J Sitler" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 8:24 PM > > Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > > > > Hi Rick, > > > I would be interested in what they might have to say, if it isn't too > much > > > trouble for you. My plans are to get my boat sailable for this fall up > > here, > > > and do more work on it and rebuild the trailer over winter. I hope to > take > > > it down to the bay next spring to spend weekends there. I have seen boat > > > trailers with surge brakes, but I don't recall any with electric. I was > > > planning to get stainless steel disk brakes with a new surge unit. I am > > > planning on calling the MVA and getting information from them when I get > a > > > chance, maybe tomorrow. Appreciate any help,and thanks. > > > > > > Denny, > > > 1974 R22 Gossamer Wing > > > Berwick, PA > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Rick Redmond > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:12 PM > > > Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > > > > > > > Denny, > > > > > > > > I just saw this article in a magazine about Chesapeake Bay boating. > So > > > its > > > > is true. Check with your local police to see if MD can enforce their > > law > > > on > > > > trailers that are registered and tagged in other states. If you like, > I > > > > could check with my local MD State Police Barracks to see how they are > > > going > > > > to enforce this law. > > > > > > > > Rick Redmond > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Dennis J Sitler" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 7:38 PM > > > > Subject: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a question to Rhodies in the Chesapeake Bay area. A friend > who > > > has > > > > a > > > > > boat in the upper bay told me that the Governor of Maryland signed a > > law > > > > > into effect making surge brakes illegal in the state. He also said > > that > > > > the > > > > > fine was like $500 or more. Supposedly the law was for trucks but as > > it > > > > > turned out it ended up including boat trailers. I need to put brakes > > on > > > my > > > > > trailer after I get my boat done ( whenever that happens). Since I > > live > > > in > > > > > PA but want to sail on the bay this is a concern to me and possibly > > the > > > > rest > > > > > of you. I have a dual axle trailer that in PA if registered over > 3000 > > > > pounds > > > > > needs brakes on all 4 wheels to pass inspection. I was going to put > 4 > > > disk > > > > > brakes and a new surge unit on it. I think this is the ideal setup > for > > > > this > > > > > type trailer. I could use any information on this situation before I > > > spend > > > > > money on something that won't be legal where I want to use it. Any > > help > > > > will > > > > > be appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > Denny, > > > > > 1974 R22 Gossamer Wing > > > > > Berwick, PA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ** 6 of 197 list members have joined SailPerks ** > > > > > SailPerks save you money while supporting this List. > > > > > Visit http://www.sailnet.com/sailperks/ for details. > > > > > > > > > > 10% off all Bluewater Sails Ordered in July! > > > > > Order any AirForce Bluewater sail during the > > > > > month of July and get a 10% discount. > > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/airforce/options_quoter/index.cfm > > > > > > > > > > The rhodes-list is brought to you by SailNet, Where Sailors Get It! > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: rhodes-list-unsubscribe@sailnet.net > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: rhodes-list-help@sailnet.net > > > > > This message is part of thread number 13988. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ** 6 of 197 list members have joined SailPerks ** > > > > SailPerks save you money while supporting this List. > > > > Visit http://www.sailnet.com/sailperks/ for details. > > > > > > > > 10% off all Bluewater Sails Ordered in July! > > > > Order any AirForce Bluewater sail during the > > > > month of July and get a 10% discount. > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/airforce/options_quoter/index.cfm > > > > > > > > The rhodes-list is brought to you by SailNet, Where Sailors Get It! > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: rhodes-list-unsubscribe@sailnet.net > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: rhodes-list-help@sailnet.net > > > > This message is part of thread number 13989. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ** 6 of 197 list members have joined SailPerks ** > > > SailPerks save you money while supporting this List. > > > Visit http://www.sailnet.com/sailperks/ for details. > > > > > > 10% off all Bluewater Sails Ordered in July! > > > Order any AirForce Bluewater sail during the > > > month of July and get a 10% discount. > > > http://www.sailnet.com/airforce/options_quoter/index.cfm > > > > > > The rhodes-list is brought to you by SailNet, Where Sailors Get It! > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: rhodes-list-unsubscribe@sailnet.net > > > For additional commands, e-mail: rhodes-list-help@sailnet.net > > > This message is part of thread number 13990. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ** 6 of 197 list members have joined SailPerks ** > > SailPerks save you money while supporting this List. > > Visit http://www.sailnet.com/sailperks/ for details. > > > > 10% off all Bluewater Sails Ordered in July! > > Order any AirForce Bluewater sail during the > > month of July and get a 10% discount. > > http://www.sailnet.com/airforce/options_quoter/index.cfm > > > > The rhodes-list is brought to you by SailNet, Where Sailors Get It! > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: rhodes-list-unsubscribe@sailnet.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: rhodes-list-help@sailnet.net > > This message is part of thread number 13991. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 05:30:09 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:30:09 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin In-Reply-To: <007401c23911$f2692700$0b01a8c0@mjm2> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020731232846.00a7fbc0@rea-alp.com> --=====================_137984741==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Michael, Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night. Rik At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. >openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on the >openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer overrun >was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on the web. The >hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over which is very very >bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a security package in it >self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before someone >try to give us the clap :-) > >MJM > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Rik Sandberg >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin > >Thanks Michael, > >Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is >going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-) > >Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never having a >clue what the heck was going on. > >Rik > > > > > >At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an >>emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL >>libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages >>that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, >>the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the >>machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due >>anything, just a heads up. >> >>MJM --=====================_137984741==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night.

Rik

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-)

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never having a clue what the heck was going on.

Rik

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due anything, just a heads up.

MJM

--=====================_137984741==_.ALT-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 05:31:57 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:31:57 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731232846.00a7fbc0@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <000901c23914$60335060$0b01a8c0@mjm2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C238F2.D7BE4FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to I = could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world.=20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few = minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night. Rik At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing = tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real = screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, = a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure = privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken = over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a = security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as = a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-) =20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Thanks Michael, Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there = is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done = before. :-) :-) Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never = having a clue what the heck was going on. Rik At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote: Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have = an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL = libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages = that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, = the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the = machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due = anything, just a heads up.=20 =20 MJM ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C238F2.D7BE4FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

NA, different animal, But I tell you = something, If=20 I was of a mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in = the=20 world.

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik=20 Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 = 12:30=20 AM

Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] = Headup, list=20 admin

Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just = got=20 something from McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff = from them=20 at this time of night.

Rik

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 = -0400, you=20 wrote:

It not=20 only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. = openssl is=20 used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on the = openssl=20 people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer overrun = was found=20 in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on the web. The hole = is big=20 enough that the machine can be taken over which is very very bad, = extremity=20 when you consider that SSL is a security package in it self. This is = preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before someone try to = give us=20 the clap :-)

MJM=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that = there is=20 going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done = before.=20 :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of = never=20 having a clue what the heck was going on.

Rik

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I = have an=20 emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL = libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the = packages=20 that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes = find out,=20 the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage = as the=20 machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member = need to due=20 anything, just a heads up.=20
=20 =
MJM

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C238F2.D7BE4FD0-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 05:32:54 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (ellner) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:32:54 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020731232846.00a7fbc0@rea-alp.com> References: <007401c23911$f2692700$0b01a8c0@mjm2> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.1.20020731233039.023e45c8@pop.pressenter.com> --=====================_177272531==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Michael: Thanks for the 'heads up'......heck, we're not used to this service!! (sort of like the electric company cutting the power in the middle of the day while I'm trying to get tax forms done!!!!) mary At 11:30 PM 7/31/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Michael, > >Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few >minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night. > >Rik > > >At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. >>openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on >>the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer >>overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on the >>web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over which is >>very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a security package >>in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before >>someone try to give us the clap :-) >> >>MJM >> ----- Original Message ----- >>From: Rik Sandberg >>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >> >>Thanks Michael, >> >>Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is >>going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-) >> >>Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never having a >>clue what the heck was going on. >> >>Rik >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an >>>emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL >>>libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages >>>that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, >>>the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the >>>machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due >>>anything, just a heads up. >>> >>>MJM --=====================_177272531==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Michael: Thanks for the 'heads up'......heck, we're not used to this service!! (sort of like the electric company cutting the power in the middle of the day while I'm trying to get tax forms done!!!!) mary At 11:30 PM 7/31/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night.

Rik

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-)

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never having a clue what the heck was going on.

Rik

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due anything, just a heads up.

MJM

--=====================_177272531==_.ALT-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 05:48:53 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 23:48:53 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin In-Reply-To: <000901c23914$60335060$0b01a8c0@mjm2> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731232846.00a7fbc0@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020731234526.00ae8d18@rea-alp.com> --=====================_139108667==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Michael, Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president either. So, I guess that's a good thing. Hope you get it all straightened out OK Rik At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to I >could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world. > >MJM >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rik Sandberg >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin > >Michael, > >Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few >minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night. > >Rik > > > >At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. >>openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on >>the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer >>overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on the >>web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over which is >>very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a security package >>in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before >>someone try to give us the clap :-) >> >>MJM >> ----- Original Message ----- >>From: Rik Sandberg >>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >> >>Thanks Michael, >> >>Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is >>going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-) >> >>Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never having a >>clue what the heck was going on. >> >>Rik >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an >>>emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL >>>libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages >>>that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, >>>the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the >>>machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due >>>anything, just a heads up. >>>MJM --=====================_139108667==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Michael,

Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president either. So, I guess that's a good thing.

Hope you get it all straightened out OK

Rik

At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world.

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night.

Rik

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-)

MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never having a clue what the heck was going on.

Rik

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due anything, just a heads up.
MJM

--=====================_139108667==_.ALT-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 05:48:39 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 00:48:39 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731232846.00a7fbc0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731234526.00ae8d18@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <002d01c23916$b49c2170$0b01a8c0@mjm2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C238F5.2CD7AC30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are other = services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been cutting = production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one tonight = durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of borring. MJM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. = 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president = either. So, I guess that's a good thing. Hope you get it all straightened out OK Rik At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind = to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world.=20 =20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a = few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of = night. Rik At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing = tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real = screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, = a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure = privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken = over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a = security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as = a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-)=20 =20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Thanks Michael, Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that = there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done = before. :-) :-) Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never = having a clue what the heck was going on. Rik At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I = have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL = libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages = that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, = the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the = machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due = anything, just a heads up.=20 MJM ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C238F5.2CD7AC30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"It what I do", in truth the list does = not use SSL,=20 but thier are other services on this machine that do, It a day job = thing, I=20 been cutting production machines over all day. doing the more crictial = one=20 tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of=20 borring.

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik=20 Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 = 12:48=20 AM

Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] = Headup, list=20 admin

Michael,

Too bad your so honest, you're not = likely to=20 get filthy rich that way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad = bad man=20 by the president either. So, I guess that's a good thing.

Hope = you get=20 it all straightened out OK

Rik

At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 = -0400,=20 you wrote:

NA,=20 different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to I = could=20 take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world.=20

MJM=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from = McAfee a few=20 minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of=20 night.

Rik

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same = thing=20 tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a = real=20 screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with = the list,=20 a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to = secure=20 privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can = be taken=20 over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that = SSL is a=20 security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing = of it as=20 a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-)=20
=20
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that = there=20 is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that = done=20 before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of = never=20 having a clue what the heck was going on.

Rik

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), = I have=20 an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, = The SSL=20 libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the = packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script = kiddes=20 find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 = minutes=20 outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and = packages, no=20 member need to due anything, just a heads up. =
MJM
=

------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C238F5.2CD7AC30-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 06:12:11 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 00:12:11 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin In-Reply-To: <002d01c23916$b49c2170$0b01a8c0@mjm2> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731232846.00a7fbc0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731234526.00ae8d18@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801000829.00af5f98@rea-alp.com> --=====================_140506197==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Michael, Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mildly Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention. Rik At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are other >services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been cutting >production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one tonight >durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of borring. > >MJM >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rik Sandberg >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin > >Michael, > >Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. >'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president >either. So, I guess that's a good thing. > >Hope you get it all straightened out OK > >Rik > > > >At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to I >>could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world. >> >>MJM >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Rik Sandberg >>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >> >>Michael, >> >>Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few >>minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night. >> >>Rik >> >> >> >> >> >>At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. >>>openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on >>>the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer >>>overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on the >>>web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over which is >>>very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a security >>>package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom >>>before someone try to give us the clap :-) >>>MJM >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>> >>>Thanks Michael, >>> >>>Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is >>>going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-) >>> >>>Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never having >>>a clue what the heck was going on. >>> >>>Rik >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an >>>>emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL >>>>libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages >>>>that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, >>>>the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the >>>>machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to >>>>due anything, just a heads up. >>>>MJM --=====================_140506197==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Michael,

Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mildly

Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention.

Rik

At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are other services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been cutting production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of borring.

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president either. So, I guess that's a good thing.

Hope you get it all straightened out OK

Rik

At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world.

MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night.

Rik

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-)
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never having a clue what the heck was going on.

Rik

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due anything, just a heads up.
MJM

--=====================_140506197==_.ALT-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 06:17:52 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 01:17:52 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731232846.00a7fbc0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731234526.00ae8d18@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801000829.00af5f98@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <003901c2391a$c9973ca0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C238F9.41D07D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a = "greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 of = the list, but that it mosly programming right now.=20 www.rhodes22.org could always use something. Any Ideas that you might = want to see thier? MJM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it = mildly Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to = have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on = some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention. Rik At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: "It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are = other services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been = cutting production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one = tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of = borring. =20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that = way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the = president either. So, I guess that's a good thing. Hope you get it all straightened out OK Rik At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a = mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world.=20 =20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee = a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of = night. Rik At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing = tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real = screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, = a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure = privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken = over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a = security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as = a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-)=20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Thanks Michael, Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that = there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done = before. :-) :-) Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of = never having a clue what the heck was going on. Rik At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I = have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL = libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages = that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, = the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the = machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due = anything, just a heads up.=20 MJM ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C238F9.41D07D70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I still have some of your stuff queued = up :-) I=20 think bill work on a "greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some = stuff one=20 the verion 2 of the list, but that it mosly programming right now. =

www.rhodes22.org could always use = something.=20 Any Ideas that you might want to see thier?

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik=20 Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 = 1:12=20 AM

Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] = Headup, list=20 admin

Michael,

Yeah, I hear ya,=20 reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mildly

Long = as I've=20 got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to have edited = (if you=20 can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on some more stuff, = if there=20 is something that needs attention.

Rik

At 12:48 AM = 8/1/2002=20 -0400, you wrote:

"It what=20 I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are other = services on=20 this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been cutting production = machines=20 over all day. doing the more crictial one tonight durring low usage = hours.=20 watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of = borring.

MJM=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich = that way.=20 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the = president=20 either. So, I guess that's a good thing.

Hope you get it all straightened out OK

Rik

At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of = a mind=20 to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the = world.=20
=20
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from = McAfee a=20 few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this = time of=20 night.

Rik

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same = thing=20 tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a = real=20 screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with = the=20 list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used = to=20 secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the = machine can=20 be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you = consider that=20 SSL is a security package in it self. This is preventive = medicine,=20 thing of it as a condom before someone try to give us the clap = :-)
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice = that there=20 is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that = done=20 before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of = never=20 having a clue what the heck was going on.

=
Rik

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch = again(openssl), I have=20 an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, = The SSL=20 libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and = the=20 packages that they link to, security upgrade before the = script=20 kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about = a 15=20 minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel = and=20 packages, no member need to due anything, just a heads = up.=20 =
MJM
=

------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C238F9.41D07D70-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 06:45:33 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 00:45:33 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin In-Reply-To: <003901c2391a$c9973ca0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731232846.00a7fbc0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731234526.00ae8d18@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801000829.00af5f98@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801003534.00b0ddb0@rea-alp.com> --=====================_142508396==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Michael, I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't been to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, it would sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get in touch. I know everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail address is already out there for anyone to look at if they want to and my name and address is in the phone book for everyone that's interested to see. I don't see where having a little personal info on our web site would really open me up to any security problems that I'm not already open for. And, if we used our passwords for access (members only) I don't see where it could really do any harm. What do you think???? Doubt I could be much help in designing it though. Rik At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a >"greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 of >the list, but that it mosly programming right now. > >www.rhodes22.org could always use something. Any >Ideas that you might want to see thier? > >MJM >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rik Sandberg >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin > >Michael, > >Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mildly > >Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to >have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on >some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention. > >Rik > > > >At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are other >>services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been cutting >>production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one tonight >>durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of borring. >> >>MJM >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Rik Sandberg >>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >> >>Michael, >> >>Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. >>'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president >>either. So, I guess that's a good thing. >> >>Hope you get it all straightened out OK >> >>Rik >> >> >> >> >> >>At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to I >>>could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world. >>>MJM >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>> >>>Michael, >>> >>>Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few >>>minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night. >>> >>>Rik >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. >>>>openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on >>>>the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer >>>>overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on the >>>>web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over which is >>>>very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a security >>>>package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as a >>>>condom before someone try to give us the clap :-) >>>>MJM >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>> >>>>Thanks Michael, >>>> >>>>Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is >>>>going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-) >>>> >>>>Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never having >>>>a clue what the heck was going on. >>>> >>>>Rik >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an >>>>>emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL >>>>>libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the >>>>>packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes >>>>>find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes >>>>>outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no >>>>>member need to due anything, just a heads up. >>>>>MJM --=====================_142508396==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Michael,

I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't been to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, it would sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get in touch. I know everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail address is already out there for anyone to look at if they want to and my name and address is in the phone book for everyone that's interested to see. I don't see where having a little personal info on our web site would really open me up to any security problems that I'm not already open for. And, if we used our passwords for access (members only) I don't see where it could really do any harm. What do you think???? Doubt I could be much help in designing it though.

Rik

At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a "greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 of the list, but that it mosly programming right now.

www.rhodes22.org could always use something. Any Ideas that you might want to see thier?

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mildly

Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention.

Rik

At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are other services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been cutting production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of borring.

MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president either. So, I guess that's a good thing.

Hope you get it all straightened out OK

Rik

At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world.
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night.

Rik

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-)
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never having a clue what the heck was going on.

Rik

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due anything, just a heads up.
MJM

--=====================_142508396==_.ALT-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 06:58:41 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 00:58:41 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801003534.00b0ddb0@rea-alp.com> References: <003901c2391a$c9973ca0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731232846.00a7fbc0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731234526.00ae8d18@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801000829.00af5f98@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801005615.00afc838@rea-alp.com> --=====================_143296189==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Michael, What's this line thing I see marking the different replies on in these posts??? Never seen that before. Not a bad idea if it's yours. Rik At 12:45 AM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Michael, > >I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners might >be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't been to, or >wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, it would sure >make it simpler to figure out who is where and get in touch. I know >everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail address is already out >there for anyone to look at if they want to and my name and address is in >the phone book for everyone that's interested to see. I don't see where >having a little personal info on our web site would really open me up to >any security problems that I'm not already open for. And, if we used our >passwords for access (members only) I don't see where it could really do >any harm. What do you think???? Doubt I could be much help in designing it >though. > >Rik > > >At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a >>"greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 of >>the list, but that it mosly programming right now. >> >>www.rhodes22.org could always use something. Any >>Ideas that you might want to see thier? >> >>MJM >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Rik Sandberg >>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >> >>Michael, >> >>Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mildly >> >>Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to >>have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on >>some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention. >> >>Rik >> >> >> >> >> >>At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are other >>>services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been cutting >>>production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one tonight >>>durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of borring. >>> >>>MJM >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>> >>>Michael, >>> >>>Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. >>>'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president >>>either. So, I guess that's a good thing. >>> >>>Hope you get it all straightened out OK >>> >>>Rik >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to I >>>>could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world. >>>>MJM >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>> >>>>Michael, >>>> >>>>Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few >>>>minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night. >>>> >>>>Rik >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. >>>>>openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on >>>>>the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer >>>>>overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on >>>>>the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over >>>>>which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a >>>>>security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it >>>>>as a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-) >>>>>MJM >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>>>Thanks Michael, >>>>> >>>>>Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is >>>>>going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-) >>>>> >>>>>Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never >>>>>having a clue what the heck was going on. >>>>> >>>>>Rik >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an >>>>>>emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL >>>>>>libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the >>>>>>packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes >>>>>>find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes >>>>>>outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no >>>>>>member need to due anything, just a heads up. >>>>>>MJM --=====================_143296189==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Michael,

What's this line thing I see marking the different replies on in these posts??? Never seen that before. Not a bad idea if it's yours.

Rik

At 12:45 AM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Michael,

I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't been to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, it would sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get in touch. I know everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail address is already out there for anyone to look at if they want to and my name and address is in the phone book for everyone that's interested to see. I don't see where having a little personal info on our web site would really open me up to any security problems that I'm not already open for. And, if we used our passwords for access (members only) I don't see where it could really do any harm. What do you think???? Doubt I could be much help in designing it though.

Rik

At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a "greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 of the list, but that it mosly programming right now.

www.rhodes22.org could always use something. Any Ideas that you might want to see thier?

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mildly

Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention.

Rik

At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are other services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been cutting production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of borring.

MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president either. So, I guess that's a good thing.

Hope you get it all straightened out OK

Rik

At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world.
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night.

Rik

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-)
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin
Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never having a clue what the heck was going on.

Rik

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due anything, just a heads up.
MJM

--=====================_143296189==_.ALT-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 07:00:17 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 02:00:17 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731232846.00a7fbc0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731234526.00ae8d18@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801000829.00af5f98@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801003534.00b0ddb0@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <006501c23920$b718fcc0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C238FF.2F3A48C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the best bet would be a "form" that people could fill out, it thier = choise to "opt in", it is a programming job, best bet would be php and a = mysql for the database(both are load here). Both are to advanced for a = "non programmer", I am sitting trying to think of a idea, problem is the = brain is fried and nothing is coming ;-) MJM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners = might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't = been to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, = it would sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get in = touch. I know everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail = address is already out there for anyone to look at if they want to and = my name and address is in the phone book for everyone that's interested = to see. I don't see where having a little personal info on our web site = would really open me up to any security problems that I'm not already = open for. And, if we used our passwords for access (members only) I = don't see where it could really do any harm. What do you think???? Doubt = I could be much help in designing it though. Rik At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a = "greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 of = the list, but that it mosly programming right now.=20 =20 www.rhodes22.org could always use something. Any Ideas that you = might want to see thier? =20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put = it mildly Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd = like to have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to = take on some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention. Rik At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: "It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier = are other services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been = cutting production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one = tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of = borring.=20 =20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich = that way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the = president either. So, I guess that's a good thing. Hope you get it all straightened out OK Rik At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a = mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world.=20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from = McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this = time of night. Rik At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same = thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a = real screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the = list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure = privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken = over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a = security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as = a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-)=20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Thanks Michael, Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that = there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done = before. :-) :-) Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of = never having a clue what the heck was going on. Rik At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), = I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The = SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the = packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes = find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes = outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no = member need to due anything, just a heads up.=20 MJM ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C238FF.2F3A48C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

the best bet would be a "form" that = people could=20 fill out, it thier choise to "opt in", it is a programming job, best bet = would=20 be php and a mysql for the database(both are load here). Both are to = advanced=20 for a "non programmer", I am sitting trying to think of a idea, problem = is the=20 brain is fried and nothing is coming ;-)

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik=20 Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 = 1:45=20 AM

Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] = Headup, list=20 admin

Michael,

I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, = that a=20 roster of R 22 owners might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to = an area=20 they hadn't been to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a = particular=20 area, it would sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get = in=20 touch. I know everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail = address is=20 already out there for anyone to look at if they want to and my name = and=20 address is in the phone book for everyone that's interested to see. I = don't=20 see where having a little personal info on our web site would really = open me=20 up to any security problems that I'm not already open for. And, if we = used our=20 passwords for access (members only) I don't see where it could really = do any=20 harm. What do you think???? Doubt I could be much help in designing it = though.

Rik

At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you = wrote:

I still=20 have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a = "greeting" and=20 a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 of the list, = but that=20 it mosly programming right now.

www.rhodes22.org = could always=20 use something. Any Ideas that you might want to see=20 thier?

MJM=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to = put it=20 mildly

Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd = like to=20 have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to = take on=20 some more stuff, if there is something that needs = attention.

Rik

At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but = thier are=20 other services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I = been=20 cutting production machines over all day. doing the more = crictial one=20 tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, = kind of=20 borring.=20
=20
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich = that=20 way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the=20 president either. So, I guess that's a good thing.

Hope you get it all straightened out OK

Rik

At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was = of a mind=20 to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the = world.=20
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from = McAfee a=20 few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this = time of=20 night.

Rik

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same = thing=20 tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is = a real=20 screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem = with the=20 list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is = used to=20 secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the = machine=20 can be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you = consider that SSL is a security package in it self. This is=20 preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before someone = try to=20 give us the clap :-)
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice = that=20 there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never = seen that=20 done before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired = of never=20 having a clue what the heck was going on.

=
Rik

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch = again(openssl), I=20 have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place = right now,=20 The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right = now and=20 the packages that they link to, security upgrade before = the script=20 kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with = about a 15=20 minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel = and=20 packages, no member need to due anything, just a heads = up.=20 =
MJM
=

------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C238FF.2F3A48C0-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 07:22:07 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 01:22:07 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin In-Reply-To: <006501c23920$b718fcc0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731232846.00a7fbc0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731234526.00ae8d18@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801000829.00af5f98@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801003534.00b0ddb0@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801011349.00af07d8@rea-alp.com> --=====================_144702761==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Michael, Well, all of your solutions seem to be working pretty well so far. Certainly no need to rush, we have been without most of this for years and have managed to live with it somehow. :-) :-) Maybe, after your emergency is over and you've got a chance to rest up a little the ideas will come easier. But yeah, the form idea sounds like a good one. Those that are brave can go ahead and fill it out and those that ain't so brave can sit around by themselves and have no one to go sailing with :-) :-) :-) Heck, when you get right down to it, I bet I could find out where most of these folks are at anyway, whether they're on a list or not. And I don't think too many people would mistake me for a computer hacker. Rik At 02:00 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >the best bet would be a "form" that people could fill out, it thier choise >to "opt in", it is a programming job, best bet would be php and a mysql >for the database(both are load here). Both are to advanced for a "non >programmer", I am sitting trying to think of a idea, problem is the brain >is fried and nothing is coming ;-) > >MJM >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rik Sandberg >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:45 AM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin > >Michael, > >I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners might >be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't been to, or >wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, it would sure >make it simpler to figure out who is where and get in touch. I know >everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail address is already out >there for anyone to look at if they want to and my name and address is in >the phone book for everyone that's interested to see. I don't see where >having a little personal info on our web site would really open me up to >any security problems that I'm not already open for. And, if we used our >passwords for access (members only) I don't see where it could really do >any harm. What do you think???? Doubt I could be much help in designing it >though. > >Rik > > > >At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a >>"greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 of >>the list, but that it mosly programming right now. >> >>www.rhodes22.org could always use something. Any >>Ideas that you might want to see thier? >> >>MJM >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Rik Sandberg >>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >> >>Michael, >> >>Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mildly >> >>Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to >>have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on >>some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention. >> >>Rik >> >> >> >> >> >>At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are other >>>services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been cutting >>>production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one tonight >>>durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of borring. >>>MJM >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>> >>>Michael, >>> >>>Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. >>>'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president >>>either. So, I guess that's a good thing. >>> >>>Hope you get it all straightened out OK >>> >>>Rik >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to I >>>>could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world. >>>>MJM >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>>Michael, >>>> >>>>Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few >>>>minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night. >>>> >>>>Rik >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. >>>>>openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on >>>>>the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer >>>>>overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on >>>>>the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over >>>>>which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a >>>>>security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it >>>>>as a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-) >>>>>MJM >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>>> >>>>>Thanks Michael, >>>>> >>>>>Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is >>>>>going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-) >>>>> >>>>>Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never >>>>>having a clue what the heck was going on. >>>>> >>>>>Rik >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an >>>>>>emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL >>>>>>libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the >>>>>>packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes >>>>>>find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes >>>>>>outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no >>>>>>member need to due anything, just a heads up. >>>>>>MJM --=====================_144702761==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Michael,

Well, all of your solutions seem to be working pretty well so far. Certainly no need to rush, we have been without most of this for years and have managed to live with it somehow. :-) :-) Maybe, after your emergency is over and you've got a chance to rest up a little the ideas will come easier. But yeah, the form idea sounds like a good one. Those that are brave can go ahead and fill it out and those that ain't so brave can sit around by themselves and have no one to go sailing with :-) :-) :-)

Heck, when you get right down to it, I bet I could find out where most of these folks are at anyway, whether they're on a list or not. And I don't think too many people would mistake me for a computer hacker.

Rik

At 02:00 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

the best bet would be a "form" that people could fill out, it thier choise to "opt in", it is a programming job, best bet would be php and a mysql for the database(both are load here). Both are to advanced for a "non programmer", I am sitting trying to think of a idea, problem is the brain is fried and nothing is coming ;-)

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't been to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, it would sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get in touch. I know everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail address is already out there for anyone to look at if they want to and my name and address is in the phone book for everyone that's interested to see. I don't see where having a little personal info on our web site would really open me up to any security problems that I'm not already open for. And, if we used our passwords for access (members only) I don't see where it could really do any harm. What do you think???? Doubt I could be much help in designing it though.

Rik

At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a "greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 of the list, but that it mosly programming right now.

www.rhodes22.org could always use something. Any Ideas that you might want to see thier?

MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mildly

Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention.

Rik

At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are other services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been cutting production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of borring.
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president either. So, I guess that's a good thing.

Hope you get it all straightened out OK

Rik

At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world.
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin
Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night.

Rik

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-)
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never having a clue what the heck was going on.

Rik

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due anything, just a heads up.
MJM

--=====================_144702761==_.ALT-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 07:23:31 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 02:23:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin References: <003901c2391a$c9973ca0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731232846.00a7fbc0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731234526.00ae8d18@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801000829.00af5f98@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801005615.00afc838@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <007901c23923$f60868a0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C23902.6DB288D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it is the mail client(i.e outlook) doing it for html mail. MJM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, What's this line thing I see marking the different replies on in these = posts??? Never seen that before. Not a bad idea if it's yours. Rik At 12:45 AM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: Michael, I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners = might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't = been to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, = it would sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get in = touch. I know everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail = address is already out there for anyone to look at if they want to and = my name and address is in the phone book for everyone that's interested = to see. I don't see where having a little personal info on our web site = would really open me up to any security problems that I'm not already = open for. And, if we used our passwords for access (members only) I = don't see where it could really do any harm. What do you think???? Doubt = I could be much help in designing it though. Rik At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on = a "greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 = of the list, but that it mosly programming right now.=20 =20 www.rhodes22.org could always use something. Any Ideas that you = might want to see thier? =20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put = it mildly Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd = like to have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to = take on some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention. Rik At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: "It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier = are other services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been = cutting production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one = tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of = borring.=20 =20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich = that way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the = president either. So, I guess that's a good thing. Hope you get it all straightened out OK Rik At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of = a mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world. = MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from = McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this = time of night. Rik At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same = thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a = real screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the = list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure = privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken = over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a = security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as = a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-)=20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin=20 Thanks Michael, Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice = that there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that = done before. :-) :-) Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of = never having a clue what the heck was going on. Rik At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 Looks like throes group screwed the pooch = again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place = right now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right = now and the packages that they link to, security upgrade before the = script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 = minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, = no member need to due anything, just a heads up.=20 MJM ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C23902.6DB288D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

it is the mail client(i.e outlook) = doing it for=20 html mail.

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik=20 Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 = 1:58=20 AM

Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] = Headup, list=20 admin

Michael,

What's this line thing I see marking = the=20 different replies on in these posts??? Never seen that before. Not a = bad idea=20 if it's yours.

Rik

At 12:45 AM 8/1/2002 -0500, you=20 wrote:

Michael,

I = guess I kind of=20 agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners might be pretty = cool. If=20 someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't been to, or wanted to = meet up=20 with other Rhodies in a particular area, it would sure make it = simpler to=20 figure out who is where and get in touch. I know everyone sweats = about=20 security, but hell, my e-mail address is already out there for = anyone to=20 look at if they want to and my name and address is in the phone book = for=20 everyone that's interested to see. I don't see where having a little = personal info on our web site would really open me up to any = security=20 problems that I'm not already open for. And, if we used our = passwords for=20 access (members only) I don't see where it could really do any harm. = What do=20 you think???? Doubt I could be much help in designing it=20 though.

Rik

At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you = wrote:

I still=20 have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a = "greeting"=20 and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 of the = list,=20 but that it mosly programming right now. =

www.rhodes22.org=20 could always use something. Any Ideas that you might want to see=20 thier?

MJM=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to = put it=20 mildly

Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else = you'd like=20 to have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy = to take=20 on some more stuff, if there is something that needs = attention.

Rik

At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but = thier are=20 other services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I = been=20 cutting production machines over all day. doing the more = crictial one=20 tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, = kind of=20 borring.=20
=20
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy = rich that=20 way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by = the=20 president either. So, I guess that's a good thing.

Hope you get it all straightened out OK

Rik

At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was = of a=20 mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in = the=20 world.=20
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something = from McAfee=20 a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at = this time=20 of night.

=
Rik

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the = same thing=20 tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this = is a=20 real screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no = problem=20 with the list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs = that is=20 used to secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough = that the=20 machine can be taken over which is very very bad, = extremity when=20 you consider that SSL is a security package in it self. = This is=20 preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before = someone try to=20 give us the clap :-)
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin=20
Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? = notice that=20 there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never = seen=20 that done before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda = tired of=20 never having a clue what the heck was going on.

=
Rik

=

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch = again(openssl), I=20 have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place = right now,=20 The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine = right now=20 and the packages that they link to, security upgrade = before the=20 script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 = with=20 about a 15 minutes outage as the machine is boot in to = the new=20 kernel and packages, no member need to due anything, = just a=20 heads up. =
MJM
=

------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C23902.6DB288D0-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 07:29:19 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 02:29:19 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731232846.00a7fbc0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731234526.00ae8d18@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801000829.00af5f98@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801003534.00b0ddb0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801011349.00af07d8@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <008301c23924$c5001cc0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C23903.3D2B05B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well I give you a hint, I just swap out the system from under us :-) = work on phase 2 :-) I see what I can do, right now I want to finsh = version 2 of the list. lot of cute fetures coming :-) It not hard to find people, just have to want to look. unless you want = to live in the third world, use only cash and never get near a goverment = or a newpaper you will be found. Now the question is does anyone care to = find you :-) MJM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:22 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, Well, all of your solutions seem to be working pretty well so far. = Certainly no need to rush, we have been without most of this for years = and have managed to live with it somehow. :-) :-) Maybe, after your = emergency is over and you've got a chance to rest up a little the ideas = will come easier. But yeah, the form idea sounds like a good one. Those = that are brave can go ahead and fill it out and those that ain't so = brave can sit around by themselves and have no one to go sailing with = :-) :-) :-)=20 Heck, when you get right down to it, I bet I could find out where most = of these folks are at anyway, whether they're on a list or not. And I = don't think too many people would mistake me for a computer hacker. Rik At 02:00 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: the best bet would be a "form" that people could fill out, it thier = choise to "opt in", it is a programming job, best bet would be php and a = mysql for the database(both are load here). Both are to advanced for a = "non programmer", I am sitting trying to think of a idea, problem is the = brain is fried and nothing is coming ;-) =20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:45 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 = owners might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they = hadn't been to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular = area, it would sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get = in touch. I know everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail = address is already out there for anyone to look at if they want to and = my name and address is in the phone book for everyone that's interested = to see. I don't see where having a little personal info on our web site = would really open me up to any security problems that I'm not already = open for. And, if we used our passwords for access (members only) I = don't see where it could really do any harm. What do you think???? Doubt = I could be much help in designing it though. Rik At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work = on a "greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion = 2 of the list, but that it mosly programming right now.=20 =20 www.rhodes22.org could always use something. Any Ideas that you = might want to see thier?=20 =20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put = it mildly Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd = like to have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to = take on some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention. Rik At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 "It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier = are other services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been = cutting production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one = tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of = borring.=20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich = that way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the = president either. So, I guess that's a good thing. Hope you get it all straightened out OK Rik At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of = a mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world. = MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin=20 Michael, Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from = McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this = time of night. Rik At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same = thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a = real screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the = list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure = privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken = over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a = security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as = a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-)=20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Thanks Michael, Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice = that there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that = done before. :-) :-) Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of = never having a clue what the heck was going on. Rik At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 Looks like throes group screwed the pooch = again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place = right now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right = now and the packages that they link to, security upgrade before the = script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 = minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, = no member need to due anything, just a heads up.=20 MJM ------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C23903.3D2B05B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

well I give you a hint, I just swap out = the system=20 from under us :-) work on phase 2 :-) I see what I can do, right now I = want to=20 finsh version 2 of the list. lot of cute fetures coming :-)

It not hard to find people, just have = to want to=20 look. unless you want to live in the third world, use only cash and = never get=20 near a goverment or a newpaper you will be found. Now the question is = does=20 anyone care to find you :-)

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik=20 Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 = 2:22=20 AM

Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] = Headup, list=20 admin

Michael,

Well, all of your solutions seem to be = working=20 pretty well so far. Certainly no need to rush, we have been without = most of=20 this for years and have managed to live with it somehow. :-) :-) = Maybe, after=20 your emergency is over and you've got a chance to rest up a little the = ideas=20 will come easier. But yeah, the form idea sounds like a good one. = Those that=20 are brave can go ahead and fill it out and those that ain't so brave = can sit=20 around by themselves and have no one to go sailing with :-) :-) :-)=20

Heck, when you get right down to it, I bet I could find out = where most=20 of these folks are at anyway, whether they're on a list or not. And I = don't=20 think too many people would mistake me for a computer=20 hacker.

Rik

At 02:00 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you = wrote:

the best=20 bet would be a "form" that people could fill out, it thier choise to = "opt=20 in", it is a programming job, best bet would be php and a mysql for = the=20 database(both are load here). Both are to advanced for a "non = programmer", I=20 am sitting trying to think of a idea, problem is the brain is fried = and=20 nothing is coming ;-)

MJM=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:45 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 = owners=20 might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they = hadn't been=20 to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, = it would=20 sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get in touch. = I know=20 everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail address is = already out=20 there for anyone to look at if they want to and my name and = address is in=20 the phone book for everyone that's interested to see. I don't see = where=20 having a little personal info on our web site would really open me = up to=20 any security problems that I'm not already open for. And, if we = used our=20 passwords for access (members only) I don't see where it could = really do=20 any harm. What do you think???? Doubt I could be much help in = designing it=20 though.

Rik

At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill = work on a=20 "greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the = verion 2 of=20 the list, but that it mosly programming right now.
=20
www.rhodes22.org = could always=20 use something. Any Ideas that you might want to see = thier?=20
=20
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to = put it=20 mildly

Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else = you'd like=20 to have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy = to take=20 on some more stuff, if there is something that needs = attention.

Rik

At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but = thier are=20 other services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I = been=20 cutting production machines over all day. doing the more = crictial one=20 tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, = kind of=20 borring.
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy = rich that=20 way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by = the=20 president either. So, I guess that's a good thing.

Hope you get it all straightened out OK

Rik

At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was = of a=20 mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in = the=20 world.=20
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin=20
Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something = from McAfee=20 a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at = this time=20 of night.

=
Rik

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the = same thing=20 tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this = is a=20 real screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no = problem=20 with the list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs = that is=20 used to secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough = that the=20 machine can be taken over which is very very bad, = extremity when=20 you consider that SSL is a security package in it self. = This is=20 preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before = someone try to=20 give us the clap :-)
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list = admin

Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? = notice that=20 there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never = seen=20 that done before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda = tired of=20 never having a clue what the heck was going on.

=
Rik

=

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch = again(openssl), I=20 have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place = right now,=20 The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine = right now=20 and the packages that they link to, security upgrade = before the=20 script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 = with=20 about a 15 minutes outage as the machine is boot in to = the new=20 kernel and packages, no member need to due anything, = just a=20 heads up. =
MJM
=

------=_NextPart_000_0080_01C23903.3D2B05B0-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 07:38:34 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 01:38:34 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin In-Reply-To: <007901c23923$f60868a0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> References: <003901c2391a$c9973ca0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731232846.00a7fbc0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731234526.00ae8d18@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801000829.00af5f98@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801005615.00afc838@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801013112.00b0dad0@rea-alp.com> --=====================_145689179==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I don't know, I can't recall ever seeing that happen before. I thought maybe it was something you did. Can't be Outlook anyway, I'm using Eudora right now. Only use outlook at work. Are you sending in html???? Rik At 02:23 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >it is the mail client(i.e outlook) doing it for html mail. > >MJM >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rik Sandberg >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:58 AM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin > >Michael, > >What's this line thing I see marking the different replies on in these >posts??? Never seen that before. Not a bad idea if it's yours. > >Rik > > > >At 12:45 AM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: >>Michael, >> >>I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners might >>be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't been to, >>or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, it would >>sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get in touch. I know >>everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail address is already >>out there for anyone to look at if they want to and my name and address >>is in the phone book for everyone that's interested to see. I don't see >>where having a little personal info on our web site would really open me >>up to any security problems that I'm not already open for. And, if we >>used our passwords for access (members only) I don't see where it could >>really do any harm. What do you think???? Doubt I could be much help in >>designing it though. >> >>Rik >> >> >> >>At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a >>>"greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 of >>>the list, but that it mosly programming right now. >>> >>>www.rhodes22.org could always use something. >>>Any Ideas that you might want to see thier? >>> >>>MJM >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>> >>>Michael, >>> >>>Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mildly >>> >>>Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to >>>have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on >>>some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention. >>> >>>Rik >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are other >>>>services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been cutting >>>>production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one tonight >>>>durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of borring. >>>>MJM >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>> >>>>Michael, >>>> >>>>Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. >>>>'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president >>>>either. So, I guess that's a good thing. >>>> >>>>Hope you get it all straightened out OK >>>> >>>>Rik >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to >>>>>I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world. >>>>>MJM >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>>>Michael, >>>>> >>>>>Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few >>>>>minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night. >>>>> >>>>>Rik >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing >>>>>>tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real >>>>>>screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the >>>>>>list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to >>>>>>secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine >>>>>>can be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider >>>>>>that SSL is a security package in it self. This is preventive >>>>>>medicine, thing of it as a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-) >>>>>>MJM >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>>>>Thanks Michael, >>>>>> >>>>>>Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is >>>>>>going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-) >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never >>>>>>having a clue what the heck was going on. >>>>>> >>>>>>Rik >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>>Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an >>>>>>>emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL >>>>>>>libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the >>>>>>>packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script >>>>>>>kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 >>>>>>>minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and >>>>>>>packages, no member need to due anything, just a heads up. >>>>>>>MJM --=====================_145689179==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I don't know, I can't recall ever seeing that happen before. I thought maybe it was something you did. Can't be Outlook anyway, I'm using Eudora right now. Only use outlook at work. Are you sending in html????

Rik

At 02:23 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

it is the mail client(i.e outlook) doing it for html mail.

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

What's this line thing I see marking the different replies on in these posts??? Never seen that before. Not a bad idea if it's yours.

Rik

At 12:45 AM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Michael,

I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't been to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, it would sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get in touch. I know everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail address is already out there for anyone to look at if they want to and my name and address is in the phone book for everyone that's interested to see. I don't see where having a little personal info on our web site would really open me up to any security problems that I'm not already open for. And, if we used our passwords for access (members only) I don't see where it could really do any harm. What do you think???? Doubt I could be much help in designing it though.

Rik

At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a "greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 of the list, but that it mosly programming right now.

www.rhodes22.org could always use something. Any Ideas that you might want to see thier?

MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mildly

Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention.

Rik

At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are other services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been cutting production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of borring.
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president either. So, I guess that's a good thing.

Hope you get it all straightened out OK

Rik

At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world.
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin
Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night.

Rik

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-)
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin
Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never having a clue what the heck was going on.

Rik

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due anything, just a heads up.
MJM

--=====================_145689179==_.ALT-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 07:37:25 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 02:37:25 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin References: <003901c2391a$c9973ca0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731232846.00a7fbc0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731234526.00ae8d18@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801000829.00af5f98@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801005615.00afc838@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801013112.00b0dad0@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <009301c23925$e6c5a180$0b01a8c0@mjm2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C23904.5EE71490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable repends on my mood and machine, the easlest way to spot html now, no = footer means html mail MJM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin I don't know, I can't recall ever seeing that happen before. I thought = maybe it was something you did. Can't be Outlook anyway, I'm using = Eudora right now. Only use outlook at work. Are you sending in html???? Rik At 02:23 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: it is the mail client(i.e outlook) doing it for html mail. =20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:58 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, What's this line thing I see marking the different replies on in = these posts??? Never seen that before. Not a bad idea if it's yours. Rik At 12:45 AM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: Michael, I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 = owners might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they = hadn't been to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular = area, it would sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get = in touch. I know everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail = address is already out there for anyone to look at if they want to and = my name and address is in the phone book for everyone that's interested = to see. I don't see where having a little personal info on our web site = would really open me up to any security problems that I'm not already = open for. And, if we used our passwords for access (members only) I = don't see where it could really do any harm. What do you think???? Doubt = I could be much help in designing it though. Rik At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill = work on a "greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the = verion 2 of the list, but that it mosly programming right now.=20 =20 www.rhodes22.org could always use something. Any Ideas that = you might want to see thier?=20 =20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to = put it mildly Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd = like to have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to = take on some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention. Rik At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 "It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but = thier are other services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I = been cutting production machines over all day. doing the more crictial = one tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind = of borring.=20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich = that way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the = president either. So, I guess that's a good thing. Hope you get it all straightened out OK Rik At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was = of a mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the = world.=20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin=20 Michael, Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from = McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this = time of night. Rik At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same = thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a = real screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the = list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure = privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken = over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a = security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as = a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-)=20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin=20 Thanks Michael, Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice = that there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that = done before. :-) :-) Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired = of never having a clue what the heck was going on. Rik At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 Looks like throes group screwed the pooch = again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place = right now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right = now and the packages that they link to, security upgrade before the = script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 = minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, = no member need to due anything, just a heads up.=20 MJM ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C23904.5EE71490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

repends on my mood and machine, the = easlest way to=20 spot html now, no footer means html mail

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik=20 Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 = 2:38=20 AM

Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] = Headup, list=20 admin

I don't know, I can't recall ever seeing that happen = before. I=20 thought maybe it was something you did. Can't be Outlook anyway, I'm = using=20 Eudora right now. Only use outlook at work. Are you sending in=20 html????

Rik

At 02:23 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you = wrote:

it is the=20 mail client(i.e outlook) doing it for html = mail.

MJM=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:58 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

What's this line thing I see marking the different replies on = in these=20 posts??? Never seen that before. Not a bad idea if it's = yours.

Rik

At 12:45 AM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Michael,

I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 = owners=20 might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they = hadn't=20 been to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular = area,=20 it would sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get = in=20 touch. I know everyone sweats about security, but hell, my = e-mail=20 address is already out there for anyone to look at if they want = to and=20 my name and address is in the phone book for everyone that's = interested=20 to see. I don't see where having a little personal info on our = web site=20 would really open me up to any security problems that I'm not = already=20 open for. And, if we used our passwords for access (members = only) I=20 don't see where it could really do any harm. What do you = think???? Doubt=20 I could be much help in designing it though.

Rik

At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill = work on=20 a "greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the = verion=20 2 of the list, but that it mosly programming right now. =
=20
www.rhodes22.org = could=20 always use something. Any Ideas that you might want to see=20 thier?=20
=20
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks = to put=20 it mildly

Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else = you'd=20 like to have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be = happy=20 to take on some more stuff, if there is something that needs=20 attention.

Rik

At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but = thier=20 are other services on this machine that do, It a day job = thing, I=20 been cutting production machines over all day. doing the = more=20 crictial one tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 = rebuild=20 right now, kind of borring.
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy = rich=20 that way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad = man by the=20 president either. So, I guess that's a good thing.

Hope you get it all straightened out OK

=
Rik

At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I = was of a=20 mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites = in the=20 world.=20
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin=20
Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something = from=20 McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from = them at=20 this time of night.

=
Rik

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the = same=20 thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every = body. this=20 is a real screw up on the openssl people front. Their is = no=20 problem with the list, a buffer overrun was found in the = SSL=20 libs that is used to secure privacy on the web. The hole = is big=20 enough that the machine can be taken over which is very = very=20 bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a security = package=20 in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as = a condom=20 before someone try to give us the clap :-)
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin=20
Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? = notice that=20 there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. = Never seen=20 that done before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda = tired of=20 never having a clue what the heck was going on.

=
Rik

=

<= BR>

=

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch = again(openssl),=20 I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking = place right=20 now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this = machine=20 right now and the packages that they link to, security = upgrade=20 before the script kiddes find out, the list might be = slow=20 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the = machine is=20 boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need = to due=20 anything, just a heads up. =
MJM
=

------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C23904.5EE71490-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 07:41:09 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Steve Alm) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 01:41:09 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Single line docking trick In-Reply-To: <20020731143023.7990.qmail@web14901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Steve and Wally, thanks for the heads up on the possibility or likelihood of damaging the hand hold. Slim On 7/31/02 9:30 AM, "Steve" wrote: > Crab the winch and pull the boat into the dock. Put 3 > or 4 fenders out; 1 aft, 1 forward of the cabintop & a > couple midship. You guys are going to hate seeing > that spiderweb cracking by hooking stuff to things > that are only conected by screws. > Steve > > > --- Robert Quinn wrote: >> Wally: A word of caution. I too used to use the >> stainless hand hold >> mounted adjacent to the companion way as a keeper of >> my spring line. Mine >> pulled free over time and I had to reset/rebed. I >> now use my spring lines >> to the forward bow cleat by looping the spring lines >> over the bow lines and >> then looping the "loop" over the cleat after the bow >> lines are set. This >> has worked for several years with not problem. >> Every now and then I check >> the integrity of the bow and stern cleats. >> >> The marina where we keep the boat does occasionally >> get some real rockers >> when the "stink boats" roar by showing off. If your >> marina berth is well >> protected you may be okay. >> >> Bob on the "NoKaOi" >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Wally Buck" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:12 PM >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Single line docking >> trick >> >> >>> Slim, >>> >>> I mentioned a while back that I tried Roger's >> single line technique. Like >>> you I have been using the stainless steel hand >> hold. I don't think it is >> the >>> perfect spot but it is pretty close. My slip has >> no poles and I don't like >>> to use my boat hook unless I have to. I just glide >> into my slip, step on >> the >>> dock with the line going to the hand hold and give >> a firm tug to bring the >>> boat to a complete stop. It seems to bring the bow >> and stern in evenly. I >>> then use this line as a spring line. I cleat the >> bow and stern line and I >> am >>> done. >>> >>> Works for me. >>> >>> Wally >>> >>> >>>> From: Steve Alm >>>> Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>> To: >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Single line docking >> trick >>>> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 02:17:53 -0500 >>>> >>>> I've been trying Roger's single line docking >> trick a lot lately. I've >>>> tried >>>> connecting it in several places and have settled >> on the stainless hand >> hold >>>> on the cockpit bulkhead. But the bow still comes >> into the dock first. I >>>> typically land with the board up and the rudder >> uncleated--both down haul >>>> and up haul. This causes the rudder to ride up >> and back a little. I do >>>> this because the water at my dock is shallow and >> quite weedy. This puts >> my >>>> CLR farther aft and I suppose that's why the bow >> comes in first. (?) >>>> >>>> So the line should be connected to the boat >> farther aft, right? I'm >>>> wondering if the primary jib lead block is sturdy >> enough for this. Since >>>> it's adjustable fore and aft, I could experiment >> and get it just right >> but >>>> I >>>> don't want to risk any damage. >>>> >>>> I've also tried connecting to the stern cleat >> which brings the stern in >>>> first. That isn't so bad because I'm sitting in >> the stern and can easily >>>> reach out my arm and fend off, then quickly step >> off onto the dock with >> bow >>>> line in hand. But if I'm coming in too fast, >> that could be a hazard. We >>>> piano players don't want to bang up our hands. >> (I'm certain nobody else >>>> does either.) Maybe use the stern cleat for the >> landing line and hang a >>>> nice big fender from the winch and/or stern >> pulpit? >>>> >>>> Anybody? >>>> >>>> Slim >>>> >>>> _______________________________________ >>>> Subscribers, send mail to this address >> Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>> To change your options or unsubscribe from the >> list click on this link >>> >> >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> Check out our >>>> FAQ pages at >> http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >>>> http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! >> http://www.rhodes22.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > _________________________________________________________________ >>> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: >> http://mobile.msn.com >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> Subscribers, send mail to this address >> Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>> To change your options or unsubscribe from the >> list click on this link >>> >> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> Check out our >>> FAQ pages at >> http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >>> http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! >> http://www.rhodes22.org >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________ >> Subscribers, send mail to this address >> Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >> To change your options or unsubscribe from the list >> click on this link >> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> Check out our >> FAQ pages at >> http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >> http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > http://www.rhodes22.org > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 07:47:14 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 01:47:14 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin In-Reply-To: <008301c23924$c5001cc0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731232846.00a7fbc0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731234526.00ae8d18@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801000829.00af5f98@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801003534.00b0ddb0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801011349.00af07d8@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801014414.00b0ca40@rea-alp.com> --=====================_146209337==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I totally agree. Can't believe ther are too many people out there that would be all that interested in me. Pretty small fish in a big sea. Looking forward to seeing what innovative ideas you have been able to come up with. Any idea how long before you will be able to spring it on us???? Rik At 02:29 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >well I give you a hint, I just swap out the system from under us :-) work >on phase 2 :-) I see what I can do, right now I want to finsh version 2 of >the list. lot of cute fetures coming :-) > >It not hard to find people, just have to want to look. unless you want to >live in the third world, use only cash and never get near a goverment or a >newpaper you will be found. Now the question is does anyone care to find >you :-) > > >MJM >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rik Sandberg >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:22 AM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin > >Michael, > >Well, all of your solutions seem to be working pretty well so far. >Certainly no need to rush, we have been without most of this for years and >have managed to live with it somehow. :-) :-) Maybe, after your emergency >is over and you've got a chance to rest up a little the ideas will come >easier. But yeah, the form idea sounds like a good one. Those that are >brave can go ahead and fill it out and those that ain't so brave can sit >around by themselves and have no one to go sailing with :-) :-) :-) > >Heck, when you get right down to it, I bet I could find out where most of >these folks are at anyway, whether they're on a list or not. And I don't >think too many people would mistake me for a computer hacker. > >Rik > > > >At 02:00 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>the best bet would be a "form" that people could fill out, it thier >>choise to "opt in", it is a programming job, best bet would be php and a >>mysql for the database(both are load here). Both are to advanced for a >>"non programmer", I am sitting trying to think of a idea, problem is the >>brain is fried and nothing is coming ;-) >> >>MJM >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Rik Sandberg >>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:45 AM >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >> >>Michael, >> >>I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners might >>be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't been to, >>or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, it would >>sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get in touch. I know >>everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail address is already >>out there for anyone to look at if they want to and my name and address >>is in the phone book for everyone that's interested to see. I don't see >>where having a little personal info on our web site would really open me >>up to any security problems that I'm not already open for. And, if we >>used our passwords for access (members only) I don't see where it could >>really do any harm. What do you think???? Doubt I could be much help in >>designing it though. >> >>Rik >> >> >> >> >> >>At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a >>>"greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 of >>>the list, but that it mosly programming right now. >>>www.rhodes22.org could always use something. >>>Any Ideas that you might want to see thier? >>>MJM >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>Michael, >>> >>>Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mildly >>> >>>Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to >>>have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on >>>some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention. >>> >>>Rik >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are other >>>>services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been cutting >>>>production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one tonight >>>>durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of borring. >>>>MJM >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>> >>>>Michael, >>>> >>>>Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. >>>>'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president >>>>either. So, I guess that's a good thing. >>>> >>>>Hope you get it all straightened out OK >>>> >>>>Rik >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to >>>>>I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world. >>>>>MJM >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>>>Michael, >>>>> >>>>>Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few >>>>>minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night. >>>>> >>>>>Rik >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing >>>>>>tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real >>>>>>screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the >>>>>>list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to >>>>>>secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine >>>>>>can be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider >>>>>>that SSL is a security package in it self. This is preventive >>>>>>medicine, thing of it as a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-) >>>>>>MJM >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks Michael, >>>>>> >>>>>>Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is >>>>>>going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-) >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never >>>>>>having a clue what the heck was going on. >>>>>> >>>>>>Rik >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>>Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an >>>>>>>emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL >>>>>>>libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the >>>>>>>packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script >>>>>>>kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 >>>>>>>minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and >>>>>>>packages, no member need to due anything, just a heads up. >>>>>>>MJM --=====================_146209337==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I totally agree. Can't believe ther are too many people out there that would be all that interested in me. Pretty small fish in a big sea.

Looking forward to seeing what innovative ideas you have been able to come up with. Any idea how long before you will be able to spring it on us????
Rik

At 02:29 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

well I give you a hint, I just swap out the system from under us :-) work on phase 2 :-) I see what I can do, right now I want to finsh version 2 of the list. lot of cute fetures coming :-)

It not hard to find people, just have to want to look. unless you want to live in the third world, use only cash and never get near a goverment or a newpaper you will be found. Now the question is does anyone care to find you :-)

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Well, all of your solutions seem to be working pretty well so far. Certainly no need to rush, we have been without most of this for years and have managed to live with it somehow. :-) :-) Maybe, after your emergency is over and you've got a chance to rest up a little the ideas will come easier. But yeah, the form idea sounds like a good one. Those that are brave can go ahead and fill it out and those that ain't so brave can sit around by themselves and have no one to go sailing with :-) :-) :-)

Heck, when you get right down to it, I bet I could find out where most of these folks are at anyway, whether they're on a list or not. And I don't think too many people would mistake me for a computer hacker.

Rik

At 02:00 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

the best bet would be a "form" that people could fill out, it thier choise to "opt in", it is a programming job, best bet would be php and a mysql for the database(both are load here). Both are to advanced for a "non programmer", I am sitting trying to think of a idea, problem is the brain is fried and nothing is coming ;-)

MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't been to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, it would sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get in touch. I know everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail address is already out there for anyone to look at if they want to and my name and address is in the phone book for everyone that's interested to see. I don't see where having a little personal info on our web site would really open me up to any security problems that I'm not already open for. And, if we used our passwords for access (members only) I don't see where it could really do any harm. What do you think???? Doubt I could be much help in designing it though.

Rik

At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a "greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 of the list, but that it mosly programming right now.
www.rhodes22.org could always use something. Any Ideas that you might want to see thier?
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin
Michael,

Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mildly

Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention.

Rik

At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are other services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been cutting production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of borring.
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president either. So, I guess that's a good thing.

Hope you get it all straightened out OK

Rik

At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world.
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin
Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night.

Rik

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-)
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never having a clue what the heck was going on.

Rik

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due anything, just a heads up.
MJM

--=====================_146209337==_.ALT-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 07:49:03 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 01:49:03 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin In-Reply-To: <009301c23925$e6c5a180$0b01a8c0@mjm2> References: <003901c2391a$c9973ca0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731232846.00a7fbc0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731234526.00ae8d18@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801000829.00af5f98@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801005615.00afc838@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801013112.00b0dad0@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801014812.00b10c80@rea-alp.com> --=====================_146318074==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Yeah, I did notice that the footer was missing. Does that happen no matter who sends in html??? At 02:37 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >repends on my mood and machine, the easlest way to spot html now, no >footer means html mail > >MJM >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rik Sandberg >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:38 AM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin > >I don't know, I can't recall ever seeing that happen before. I thought >maybe it was something you did. Can't be Outlook anyway, I'm using Eudora >right now. Only use outlook at work. Are you sending in html???? > >Rik > > > >At 02:23 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>it is the mail client(i.e outlook) doing it for html mail. >> >>MJM >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Rik Sandberg >>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:58 AM >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >> >>Michael, >> >>What's this line thing I see marking the different replies on in these >>posts??? Never seen that before. Not a bad idea if it's yours. >> >>Rik >> >> >> >> >> >>At 12:45 AM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: >>>Michael, >>> >>>I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners >>>might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't >>>been to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, >>>it would sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get in >>>touch. I know everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail >>>address is already out there for anyone to look at if they want to and >>>my name and address is in the phone book for everyone that's interested >>>to see. I don't see where having a little personal info on our web site >>>would really open me up to any security problems that I'm not already >>>open for. And, if we used our passwords for access (members only) I >>>don't see where it could really do any harm. What do you think???? Doubt >>>I could be much help in designing it though. >>> >>>Rik >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a >>>>"greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 >>>>of the list, but that it mosly programming right now. >>>>www.rhodes22.org could always use something. >>>>Any Ideas that you might want to see thier? >>>>MJM >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>> >>>>Michael, >>>> >>>>Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mildly >>>> >>>>Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to >>>>have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on >>>>some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention. >>>> >>>>Rik >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are >>>>>other services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been >>>>>cutting production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one >>>>>tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of >>>>>borring. >>>>>MJM >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>>>Michael, >>>>> >>>>>Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. >>>>>'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president >>>>>either. So, I guess that's a good thing. >>>>> >>>>>Hope you get it all straightened out OK >>>>> >>>>>Rik >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to >>>>>>I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world. >>>>>>MJM >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>>>>Michael, >>>>>> >>>>>>Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a >>>>>>few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night. >>>>>> >>>>>>Rik >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>>It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing >>>>>>>tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real >>>>>>>screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the >>>>>>>list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to >>>>>>>secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine >>>>>>>can be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you >>>>>>>consider that SSL is a security package in it self. This is >>>>>>>preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before someone try to >>>>>>>give us the clap :-) >>>>>>>MJM >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>>>>>Thanks Michael, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there >>>>>>>is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done >>>>>>>before. :-) :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never >>>>>>>having a clue what the heck was going on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Rik >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>>>Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an >>>>>>>>emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL >>>>>>>>libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the >>>>>>>>packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script >>>>>>>>kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 >>>>>>>>minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and >>>>>>>>packages, no member need to due anything, just a heads up. >>>>>>>>MJM --=====================_146318074==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Yeah, I did notice that the footer was missing. Does that happen no matter who sends in html???

At 02:37 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

repends on my mood and machine, the easlest way to spot html now, no footer means html mail

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

I don't know, I can't recall ever seeing that happen before. I thought maybe it was something you did. Can't be Outlook anyway, I'm using Eudora right now. Only use outlook at work. Are you sending in html????

Rik

At 02:23 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

it is the mail client(i.e outlook) doing it for html mail.

MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

What's this line thing I see marking the different replies on in these posts??? Never seen that before. Not a bad idea if it's yours.

Rik

At 12:45 AM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Michael,

I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't been to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, it would sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get in touch. I know everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail address is already out there for anyone to look at if they want to and my name and address is in the phone book for everyone that's interested to see. I don't see where having a little personal info on our web site would really open me up to any security problems that I'm not already open for. And, if we used our passwords for access (members only) I don't see where it could really do any harm. What do you think???? Doubt I could be much help in designing it though.

Rik

At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a "greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 of the list, but that it mosly programming right now.
www.rhodes22.org could always use something. Any Ideas that you might want to see thier?
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mildly

Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention.

Rik

At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are other services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been cutting production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of borring.
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin
Michael,

Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president either. So, I guess that's a good thing.

Hope you get it all straightened out OK

Rik

At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world.
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin
Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night.

Rik

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-)
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin
Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never having a clue what the heck was going on.

Rik

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due anything, just a heads up.
MJM

--=====================_146318074==_.ALT-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 07:59:23 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 01:59:23 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin In-Reply-To: <009301c23925$e6c5a180$0b01a8c0@mjm2> References: <003901c2391a$c9973ca0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731232846.00a7fbc0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731234526.00ae8d18@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801000829.00af5f98@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801005615.00afc838@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801013112.00b0dad0@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801015637.0a5cfe78@rea-alp.com> --=====================_146938246==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hey I got to go lay down. Hope your night doesn't go on too much longer, hell it's an hour later there than here. Bet folks will be pretty happy when they are all deleting our little bullshit session tomorrow, eh??? Later, Rik At 02:37 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >repends on my mood and machine, the easlest way to spot html now, no >footer means html mail > >MJM >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rik Sandberg >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:38 AM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin > >I don't know, I can't recall ever seeing that happen before. I thought >maybe it was something you did. Can't be Outlook anyway, I'm using Eudora >right now. Only use outlook at work. Are you sending in html???? > >Rik > > > >At 02:23 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>it is the mail client(i.e outlook) doing it for html mail. >> >>MJM >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Rik Sandberg >>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:58 AM >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >> >>Michael, >> >>What's this line thing I see marking the different replies on in these >>posts??? Never seen that before. Not a bad idea if it's yours. >> >>Rik >> >> >> >> >> >>At 12:45 AM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: >>>Michael, >>> >>>I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners >>>might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't >>>been to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, >>>it would sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get in >>>touch. I know everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail >>>address is already out there for anyone to look at if they want to and >>>my name and address is in the phone book for everyone that's interested >>>to see. I don't see where having a little personal info on our web site >>>would really open me up to any security problems that I'm not already >>>open for. And, if we used our passwords for access (members only) I >>>don't see where it could really do any harm. What do you think???? Doubt >>>I could be much help in designing it though. >>> >>>Rik >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a >>>>"greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 >>>>of the list, but that it mosly programming right now. >>>>www.rhodes22.org could always use something. >>>>Any Ideas that you might want to see thier? >>>>MJM >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>> >>>>Michael, >>>> >>>>Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mildly >>>> >>>>Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to >>>>have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on >>>>some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention. >>>> >>>>Rik >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are >>>>>other services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been >>>>>cutting production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one >>>>>tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of >>>>>borring. >>>>>MJM >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>>>Michael, >>>>> >>>>>Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. >>>>>'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president >>>>>either. So, I guess that's a good thing. >>>>> >>>>>Hope you get it all straightened out OK >>>>> >>>>>Rik >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to >>>>>>I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world. >>>>>>MJM >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>>>>Michael, >>>>>> >>>>>>Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a >>>>>>few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night. >>>>>> >>>>>>Rik >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>>It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing >>>>>>>tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real >>>>>>>screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the >>>>>>>list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to >>>>>>>secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine >>>>>>>can be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you >>>>>>>consider that SSL is a security package in it self. This is >>>>>>>preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before someone try to >>>>>>>give us the clap :-) >>>>>>>MJM >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>>>>>Thanks Michael, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there >>>>>>>is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done >>>>>>>before. :-) :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never >>>>>>>having a clue what the heck was going on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Rik >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>>>Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an >>>>>>>>emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL >>>>>>>>libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the >>>>>>>>packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script >>>>>>>>kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 >>>>>>>>minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and >>>>>>>>packages, no member need to due anything, just a heads up. >>>>>>>>MJM --=====================_146938246==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hey I got to go lay down. Hope your night doesn't go on too much longer, hell it's an hour later there than here. Bet folks will be pretty happy when they are all deleting our little bullshit session tomorrow, eh???

Later,
Rik

At 02:37 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

repends on my mood and machine, the easlest way to spot html now, no footer means html mail

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

I don't know, I can't recall ever seeing that happen before. I thought maybe it was something you did. Can't be Outlook anyway, I'm using Eudora right now. Only use outlook at work. Are you sending in html????

Rik

At 02:23 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

it is the mail client(i.e outlook) doing it for html mail.

MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

What's this line thing I see marking the different replies on in these posts??? Never seen that before. Not a bad idea if it's yours.

Rik

At 12:45 AM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Michael,

I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't been to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, it would sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get in touch. I know everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail address is already out there for anyone to look at if they want to and my name and address is in the phone book for everyone that's interested to see. I don't see where having a little personal info on our web site would really open me up to any security problems that I'm not already open for. And, if we used our passwords for access (members only) I don't see where it could really do any harm. What do you think???? Doubt I could be much help in designing it though.

Rik

At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a "greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 of the list, but that it mosly programming right now.
www.rhodes22.org could always use something. Any Ideas that you might want to see thier?
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mildly

Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention.

Rik

At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are other services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been cutting production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of borring.
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin
Michael,

Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president either. So, I guess that's a good thing.

Hope you get it all straightened out OK

Rik

At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world.
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin
Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night.

Rik

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-)
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin
Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never having a clue what the heck was going on.

Rik

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due anything, just a heads up.
MJM

--=====================_146938246==_.ALT-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 08:18:26 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 03:18:26 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin References: <003901c2391a$c9973ca0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731232846.00a7fbc0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731234526.00ae8d18@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801000829.00af5f98@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801005615.00afc838@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801013112.00b0dad0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801015637.0a5cfe78@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <00a701c2392b$a1771c70$0b01a8c0@mjm2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C2390A.199FBB70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable who would ever complain :-) MJM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:59 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Hey I got to go lay down. Hope your night doesn't go on too much = longer, hell it's an hour later there than here. Bet folks will be = pretty happy when they are all deleting our little bullshit session = tomorrow, eh??? Later, Rik At 02:37 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: repends on my mood and machine, the easlest way to spot html now, no = footer means html mail =20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:38 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin I don't know, I can't recall ever seeing that happen before. I = thought maybe it was something you did. Can't be Outlook anyway, I'm = using Eudora right now. Only use outlook at work. Are you sending in = html???? Rik At 02:23 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: it is the mail client(i.e outlook) doing it for html mail.=20 =20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:58 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, What's this line thing I see marking the different replies on in = these posts??? Never seen that before. Not a bad idea if it's yours. Rik At 12:45 AM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:=20 Michael, I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 = owners might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they = hadn't been to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular = area, it would sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get = in touch. I know everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail = address is already out there for anyone to look at if they want to and = my name and address is in the phone book for everyone that's interested = to see. I don't see where having a little personal info on our web site = would really open me up to any security problems that I'm not already = open for. And, if we used our passwords for access (members only) I = don't see where it could really do any harm. What do you think???? Doubt = I could be much help in designing it though. Rik At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill = work on a "greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the = verion 2 of the list, but that it mosly programming right now.=20 www.rhodes22.org could always use something. Any Ideas that = you might want to see thier?=20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to = put it mildly Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else = you'd like to have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be = happy to take on some more stuff, if there is something that needs = attention. Rik At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 "It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but = thier are other services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I = been cutting production machines over all day. doing the more crictial = one tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind = of borring.=20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin=20 Michael, Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy = rich that way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by = the president either. So, I guess that's a good thing. Hope you get it all straightened out OK Rik At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was = of a mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the = world.=20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin=20 Michael, Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something = from McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at = this time of night. Rik At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the = same thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is = a real screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with = the list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to = secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can = be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that = SSL is a security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing = of it as a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-)=20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin=20 Thanks Michael, Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? = notice that there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never = seen that done before. :-) :-) Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda = tired of never having a clue what the heck was going on. Rik At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 Looks like throes group screwed the pooch = again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place = right now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right = now and the packages that they link to, security upgrade before the = script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 = minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, = no member need to due anything, just a heads up.=20 MJM ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C2390A.199FBB70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

who would ever complain = :-)

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik=20 Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 = 2:59=20 AM

Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] = Headup, list=20 admin

Hey I got to go lay down. Hope your night doesn't go on = too=20 much longer, hell it's an hour later there than here. Bet folks will = be pretty=20 happy when they are all deleting our little bullshit session tomorrow, = eh???

Later,
Rik

At 02:37 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you=20 wrote:

repends=20 on my mood and machine, the easlest way to spot html now, no footer = means=20 html mail

MJM =

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:38 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

I don't know, I can't recall ever seeing that happen before. I = thought=20 maybe it was something you did. Can't be Outlook anyway, I'm using = Eudora=20 right now. Only use outlook at work. Are you sending in = html????

Rik

At 02:23 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

it is the mail client(i.e outlook) doing it for html = mail.=20
=20
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:58 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

What's this line thing I see marking the different replies = on in=20 these posts??? Never seen that before. Not a bad idea if it's=20 yours.

Rik

At 12:45 AM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:=20

Michael,

I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R = 22=20 owners might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an = area they=20 hadn't been to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a=20 particular area, it would sure make it simpler to figure out = who is=20 where and get in touch. I know everyone sweats about security, = but=20 hell, my e-mail address is already out there for anyone to = look at if=20 they want to and my name and address is in the phone book for = everyone=20 that's interested to see. I don't see where having a little = personal=20 info on our web site would really open me up to any security = problems=20 that I'm not already open for. And, if we used our passwords = for=20 access (members only) I don't see where it could really do any = harm.=20 What do you think???? Doubt I could be much help in designing = it=20 though.

Rik

At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think = bill work=20 on a "greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff = one the=20 verion 2 of the list, but that it mosly programming right = now.=20
www.rhodes22.org = could=20 always use something. Any Ideas that you might want to see=20 thier?
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Yeah, I hear ya, = reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put=20 it mildly

Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else = you'd=20 like to have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd = be happy=20 to take on some more stuff, if there is something that needs = attention.

=
Rik

At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, = but thier=20 are other services on this machine that do, It a day job = thing, I=20 been cutting production machines over all day. doing the = more=20 crictial one tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 = rebuild=20 right now, kind of borring.
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin=20
Michael,

Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get = filthy rich=20 that way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad = man by=20 the president either. So, I guess that's a good = thing.

Hope you get it all straightened out OK

=
Rik

At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I = was of=20 a mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce = sites in=20 the world.=20
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin=20
Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something = from=20 McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff = from them=20 at this time of night.

=
Rik

=

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the = same=20 thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every = body.=20 this is a real screw up on the openssl people front. = Their is=20 no problem with the list, a buffer overrun was found = in the=20 SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on the web. = The hole=20 is big enough that the machine can be taken over which = is very=20 very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a = security=20 package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing = of it=20 as a condom before someone try to give us the clap = :-)=20
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik=20 Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin=20
Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? = notice=20 that there is going to be a problem????? What a = concept. Never=20 seen that done before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda = tired of=20 never having a clue what the heck was going = on.

=
Rik

=

<= BR>

=

<= BR>

=

<= BR>

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch=20 again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the = systems=20 taking place right now, The SSL libraries are being = replaced=20 on this machine right now and the packages that they = link=20 to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find = out, the=20 list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes = outage=20 as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and = packages, no=20 member need to due anything, just a heads up. = =
MJM
=
<= /DL>

------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C2390A.199FBB70-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 08:45:18 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 03:45:18 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin References: <003901c2391a$c9973ca0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731232846.00a7fbc0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731234526.00ae8d18@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801000829.00af5f98@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801005615.00afc838@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801013112.00b0dad0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801015637.0a5cfe78@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <00d401c2392f$62aa2880$0b01a8c0@mjm2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C2390D.DADC3D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well it looks like everything is done and the list still works, thank = you for all the etst messages, they where a big help :-) MJM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:59 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Hey I got to go lay down. Hope your night doesn't go on too much = longer, hell it's an hour later there than here. Bet folks will be = pretty happy when they are all deleting our little bullshit session = tomorrow, eh??? Later, Rik At 02:37 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: repends on my mood and machine, the easlest way to spot html now, no = footer means html mail =20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:38 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin I don't know, I can't recall ever seeing that happen before. I = thought maybe it was something you did. Can't be Outlook anyway, I'm = using Eudora right now. Only use outlook at work. Are you sending in = html???? Rik At 02:23 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: it is the mail client(i.e outlook) doing it for html mail.=20 =20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:58 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, What's this line thing I see marking the different replies on in = these posts??? Never seen that before. Not a bad idea if it's yours. Rik At 12:45 AM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:=20 Michael, I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 = owners might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they = hadn't been to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular = area, it would sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get = in touch. I know everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail = address is already out there for anyone to look at if they want to and = my name and address is in the phone book for everyone that's interested = to see. I don't see where having a little personal info on our web site = would really open me up to any security problems that I'm not already = open for. And, if we used our passwords for access (members only) I = don't see where it could really do any harm. What do you think???? Doubt = I could be much help in designing it though. Rik At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill = work on a "greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the = verion 2 of the list, but that it mosly programming right now.=20 www.rhodes22.org could always use something. Any Ideas that = you might want to see thier?=20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to = put it mildly Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else = you'd like to have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be = happy to take on some more stuff, if there is something that needs = attention. Rik At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 "It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but = thier are other services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I = been cutting production machines over all day. doing the more crictial = one tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind = of borring.=20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin=20 Michael, Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy = rich that way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by = the president either. So, I guess that's a good thing. Hope you get it all straightened out OK Rik At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was = of a mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the = world.=20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin=20 Michael, Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something = from McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at = this time of night. Rik At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the = same thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is = a real screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with = the list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to = secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can = be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that = SSL is a security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing = of it as a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-)=20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin=20 Thanks Michael, Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? = notice that there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never = seen that done before. :-) :-) Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda = tired of never having a clue what the heck was going on. Rik At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 Looks like throes group screwed the pooch = again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place = right now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right = now and the packages that they link to, security upgrade before the = script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 = minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, = no member need to due anything, just a heads up.=20 MJM ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C2390D.DADC3D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

well it looks like everything is done = and the list=20 still works, thank you for all the etst messages, they where a big help=20 :-)

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik=20 Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=

Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 = 2:59=20 AM

Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] = Headup, list=20 admin

Hey I got to go lay down. Hope your night doesn't go on = too=20 much longer, hell it's an hour later there than here. Bet folks will = be pretty=20 happy when they are all deleting our little bullshit session tomorrow, = eh???

Later,
Rik

At 02:37 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you=20 wrote:

repends=20 on my mood and machine, the easlest way to spot html now, no footer = means=20 html mail

MJM =

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:38 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

I don't know, I can't recall ever seeing that happen before. I = thought=20 maybe it was something you did. Can't be Outlook anyway, I'm using = Eudora=20 right now. Only use outlook at work. Are you sending in = html????

Rik

At 02:23 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

it is the mail client(i.e outlook) doing it for html = mail.=20
=20
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:58 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

What's this line thing I see marking the different replies = on in=20 these posts??? Never seen that before. Not a bad idea if it's=20 yours.

Rik

At 12:45 AM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:=20

Michael,

I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R = 22=20 owners might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an = area they=20 hadn't been to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a=20 particular area, it would sure make it simpler to figure out = who is=20 where and get in touch. I know everyone sweats about security, = but=20 hell, my e-mail address is already out there for anyone to = look at if=20 they want to and my name and address is in the phone book for = everyone=20 that's interested to see. I don't see where having a little = personal=20 info on our web site would really open me up to any security = problems=20 that I'm not already open for. And, if we used our passwords = for=20 access (members only) I don't see where it could really do any = harm.=20 What do you think???? Doubt I could be much help in designing = it=20 though.

Rik

At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think = bill work=20 on a "greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff = one the=20 verion 2 of the list, but that it mosly programming right = now.=20
www.rhodes22.org = could=20 always use something. Any Ideas that you might want to see=20 thier?
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Yeah, I hear ya, = reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put=20 it mildly

Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else = you'd=20 like to have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd = be happy=20 to take on some more stuff, if there is something that needs = attention.

=
Rik

At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, = but thier=20 are other services on this machine that do, It a day job = thing, I=20 been cutting production machines over all day. doing the = more=20 crictial one tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 = rebuild=20 right now, kind of borring.
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin=20
Michael,

Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get = filthy rich=20 that way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad = man by=20 the president either. So, I guess that's a good = thing.

Hope you get it all straightened out OK

=
Rik

At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I = was of=20 a mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce = sites in=20 the world.=20
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin=20
Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something = from=20 McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff = from them=20 at this time of night.

=
Rik

=

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the = same=20 thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every = body.=20 this is a real screw up on the openssl people front. = Their is=20 no problem with the list, a buffer overrun was found = in the=20 SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on the web. = The hole=20 is big enough that the machine can be taken over which = is very=20 very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a = security=20 package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing = of it=20 as a condom before someone try to give us the clap = :-)=20
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik=20 Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin=20
Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? = notice=20 that there is going to be a problem????? What a = concept. Never=20 seen that done before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda = tired of=20 never having a clue what the heck was going = on.

=
Rik

=

<= BR>

=

<= BR>

=

<= BR>

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch=20 again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the = systems=20 taking place right now, The SSL libraries are being = replaced=20 on this machine right now and the packages that they = link=20 to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find = out, the=20 list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes = outage=20 as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and = packages, no=20 member need to due anything, just a heads up. = =
MJM
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------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C2390D.DADC3D60-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 09:09:45 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Steve Alm) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 03:09:45 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin In-Reply-To: <00a701c2392b$a1771c70$0b01a8c0@mjm2> Message-ID: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3111016185_57254013 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Wow, you guys are keeping some pretty late hours. I thought I was the only one up at this hour. Michael, I suppose you=B9re still up and working on the problem solving. That=B9s definitely above and beyond the call of duty. Thanks for everything but geez, go to bed! On 8/1/02 2:18 AM, "Michael Meltzer" wrote: > who would ever complain :-) > =20 > MJM > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Rik Sandberg >> To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:59 AM >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>=20 >> Hey I got to go lay down. Hope your night doesn't go on too much longer,= hell >> it's an hour later there than here. Bet folks will be pretty happy when = they >> are all deleting our little bullshit session tomorrow, eh??? >>=20 >> Later, >> Rik >>=20 >>=20 >> At 02:37 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>> repends on my mood and machine, the easlest way to spot html now, no fo= oter >>> means html mail >>> =20 > MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Sandberg > To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Sent: Thurs= day, > August 01, 2002 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >=20 > I don't know, I can't recall ever seeing that happen before. I thought ma= ybe > it was something you did. Can't be Outlook anyway, I'm using Eudora right= now. > Only use outlook at work. Are you sending in html???? >=20 > Rik >=20 >=20 >=20 > At 02:23 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >> it is the mail client(i.e outlook) doing it for html mail. MJM ----- >> Original Message ----- From: Rik Sandberg = To: >> rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:58 AM Subje= ct: >> Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>=20 >> Michael, >>=20 >> What's this line thing I see marking the different replies on in these >> posts??? Never seen that before. Not a bad idea if it's yours. >>=20 >> Rik >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> At 12:45 AM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: >>> Michael, >>>=20 >>> I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners mig= ht be >>> pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't been to, or >>> wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, it would sur= e >>> make it simpler to figure out who is where and get in touch. I know eve= ryone >>> sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail address is already out there= for >>> anyone to look at if they want to and my name and address is in the pho= ne >>> book for everyone that's interested to see. I don't see where having a >>> little personal info on our web site would really open me up to any sec= urity >>> problems that I'm not already open for. And, if we used our passwords f= or >>> access (members only) I don't see where it could really do any harm. Wh= at do >>> you think???? Doubt I could be much help in designing it though. >>>=20 >>> Rik >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>> I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a >>>> "greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 = of >>>> the list, but that it mosly programming right now. www.rhodes22.org >>>> could always use something. Any Ideas that = you >>>> might want to see thier? MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik >>>> Sandberg To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] >>>> Headup, list admin >>>>=20 >>>> Michael, >>>>=20 >>>> Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mi= ldly >>>>=20 >>>> Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to= have >>>> edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on som= e >>>> more stuff, if there is something that needs attention. >>>>=20 >>>> Rik >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>> "It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are oth= er >>>>> services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been cutting >>>>> production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one tonight >>>>> durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of borrin= g. >>>>> MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Sandberg >>>>> To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Sent: >>>>> Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headu= p, >>>>> list admin Michael, >>>>>=20 >>>>> Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way= . >>>>> 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president >>>>> either. So, I guess that's a good thing. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Hope you get it all straightened out OK >>>>>=20 >>>>> Rik >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>> NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind t= o I >>>>>> could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world. MJM ---= -- >>>>>> Original Message ----- From: Rik Sandberg >>>>>> To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30= AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a f= ew >>>>>> minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of ni= ght. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Rik >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>> It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonig= ht. >>>>>>> openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up= on >>>>>>> the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buff= er >>>>>>> overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on= the >>>>>>> web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over whic= h is >>>>>>> very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a security >>>>>>> package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as a c= ondom >>>>>>> before someone try to give us the clap :-) MJM ----- Original Mess= age >>>>>>> ----- From: Rik Sandberg To: >>>>>>> rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Thanks Michael, >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there = is >>>>>>> going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done bef= ore. >>>>>>> :-) :-) >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never ha= ving >>>>>>> a clue what the heck was going on. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Rik >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote: Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages that they lin= k to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due anything, just a heads up. MJM --B_3111016185_57254013 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Wow, you guys are keeping some pretty late hours. &nbs= p;I thought I was the only one up at this hour. Michael, I suppose you= ’re still up and working on the problem solving. That’s de= finitely above and beyond the call of duty. Thanks for everything but = geez, go to bed!

On 8/1/02 2:18 AM, "Michael Meltzer" <mjm@michaelmeltzer.com&g= t; wrote:

who would ever complai= n :-)

MJM
----- Original Message -----

From: Rik Sandberg <mailt= o:racerrik@rea-alp.com>
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Hey I got to go lay down. Hope your night doesn't go on too much longer, he= ll it's an hour later there than here. Bet folks will be pretty happy when t= hey are all deleting our little bullshit session tomorrow, eh???

Later,
Rik

At 02:37 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

repends on my mood and= machine, the easlest way to spot html now, no footer means html mail

MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Sandbe= rg <mailto:racerrik@rea-alp.com> To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org = Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup,= list admin

I don't know, I can't recall ever seeing that happen before. I thought mayb= e it was something you did. Can't be Outlook anyway, I'm using Eudora right = now. Only use outlook at work. Are you sending in html????

Rik

At 02:23 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

it is the mail client(= i.e outlook) doing it for html mail. MJM= ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Sandberg <mailto:racerrik@rea-alp= .com> To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Sent: Thursday, August 01, 200= 2 1:58 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

What's this line thing I see marking the different replies on in these post= s??? Never seen that before. Not a bad idea if it's yours.

Rik

At 12:45 AM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Michael,

I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners might b= e pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't been to, or wa= nted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, it would sure make = it simpler to figure out who is where and get in touch. I know everyone swea= ts about security, but hell, my e-mail address is already out there for anyo= ne to look at if they want to and my name and address is in the phone book f= or everyone that's interested to see. I don't see where having a little pers= onal info on our web site would really open me up to any security problems t= hat I'm not already open for. And, if we used our passwords for access (memb= ers only) I don't see where it could really do any harm. What do you think??= ?? Doubt I could be much help in designing it though.

Rik

At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

I still have some of y= our stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a "greeting" and a mo= nthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 of the list, bu= t that it mosly programming right now. www.rhodes22.org <http://www.rhode= s22.org> could always use something. Any Ideas that you might want = to see thier? MJM ----- Original Message = ----- From: Rik Sandberg <mailto:racerrik@rea-alp.com> To: rhode= s22-list@rhodes22.org Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [= Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mildly<= BR>
Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to have= edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on some mor= e stuff, if there is something that needs attention.

Rik

At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

"It what I do&quo= t;, in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are other services on this= machine that do, It a day job thing, I been cutting production machines ove= r all day. doing the more crictial one tonight durring low usage hours. watc= hing 3 rebuild right now, kind of borring. MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Sandberg <mailto:racerrik@re= a-alp.com> To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Sent: Thursday, August 01= , 2002 12:48 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael,

Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. 'Cou= rse, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president either. So,= I guess that's a good thing.

Hope you get it all straightened out OK

Rik

At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

NA, different animal, = But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL= the eCommerce sites in the world. MJM --= --- Original Message ----- From: Rik Sandberg <mailto:racerrik@rea-alp.co= m> To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1= 2:30 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few minu= tes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night.

Rik

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

It not only me, 50% of= the web should be doing the same thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone= and every body. this is a real screw up on the openssl people front. Their = is no problem with the list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that= is used to secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machi= ne can be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider tha= t SSL is a security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing o= f it as a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-) MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: Rik Sandberg= <mailto:racerrik@rea-alp.com> To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Se= nt: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, = list admin Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is going= to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-)
Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never having a c= lue what the heck was going on.

Rik

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Looks like throes g= roup screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the sy= stems taking place right now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this m= achine right now and the packages that they link to, security upgrade before= the script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 1= 5 minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, n= o member need to due anything, just a heads up. MJM

--B_3111016185_57254013-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 09:32:34 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Steve Alm) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 03:32:34 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ghostly Image Message-ID: Dear Friends, Anyone who knows me well knows what a skeptic I am about things like ghosts and angels and all that stuff. The point is, I'm a bit mystified about this one, and I'm hoping someone can help me understand this. At the bottom of this message is a link to what might appear to be a simple photo. Apparently the owners of the house where this was taken had been seeing images and hearing voices for quite a while. They did some research and found that a lady once lived in the house who lost her husband during the civil war. Legend says that she used to sit at the table and look across the fields in anticipation of her loved one returning home. He never came. So, they say she still waits. Now at first, I'm thinking, "heeya, right, whatever..." But -- then I could see the pattern. They caught this photo (using digital imaging and sound) of what they claim to be her. Once you find the ghost in the picture you might be a little surprised! In all honesty, it took me about 20 seconds to find it. Don't expect to just see it right away. But when you do, it just stands out -- like one of those optical illusions. I can save you some time with this... Really concentrate around the table and sort of towards the window on the left. Also, if you have volume, turn it up as you can hear some faint murmurings after a while which they say is the ghost talking!!! I'm having a little trouble understanding the words, so if anyone can make it out, I'd be curious to find out. If you don't see or hear anything after more than a minute, let me know and I might have another hint on how to see the pattern evolve. Go to the following link for the picture. Click here: http://home.attbi.com/~n9ivo/whatswrong.swf One more hint: Be sure to enlarge the window with the photo as big as possible on your screen. Let me know if you can see it! Slim From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 13:02:55 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:02:55 EDT Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Picture on Rhodes Owners Site Message-ID: <4f.213fc4b8.2a7a7d6f@aol.com> --part1_4f.213fc4b8.2a7a7d6f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey ron thanks for posting...great shots of a beautiful skyline.....#22 did make my neck hurt but it was worth it tom --part1_4f.213fc4b8.2a7a7d6f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey ron
thanks for posting...great shots of a beautiful skyline.....#22 did make my neck hurt but it was worth it
tom --part1_4f.213fc4b8.2a7a7d6f_boundary-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 13:09:41 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:09:41 EDT Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question Message-ID: <1a1.6342bb2.2a7a7f05@aol.com> --part1_1a1.6342bb2.2a7a7f05_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit now now michael, you have realize how things are done here in the peoples democratic republic of maryland....it was vetoed because there wasnt enough money for him in it...plus he was probably preoccupied with his new wife of less than half his age and his out of wedlock conceived child......hope this clears it up tom --part1_1a1.6342bb2.2a7a7f05_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit now now michael,
you have realize how things are done here in the peoples democratic republic of maryland....it was vetoed because there wasnt enough money for him in it...plus he was probably preoccupied with his new wife of less than half his age and his out of wedlock conceived child......hope this clears it up
tom --part1_1a1.6342bb2.2a7a7f05_boundary-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 13:11:31 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 08:11:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question In-Reply-To: <009101c23913$07ded0c0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> References: <008901c23912$e171a070$0b01a8c0@mjm2> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801080714.00b61780@mail1.netreach.net> Michael, The article I saw mentioned that but evidently most of the discussion prior to the veto had to do with the fact that they (the MD administration) didn't want to approve something not approved by the Federal Dept. of Transportation. I suspect that the Fed. DOT doesn't even get into recreational vehicles. I can understand why they might not want to have surge brakes on a semi. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. There are an awful lot of boats on trailers in MD. Don't know if the BOAT/US legislative group is monitoring but they've been effective in lobbying in the past. Mary Lou At 12:22 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I read the veto, get this, it because they do not work when you back >up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >MJM >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Meltzer" >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:21 AM >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ed Kroposki" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 11:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > > > > > > > Rick, Dennis, > > > What is the reason for making surge brakes on > > > trailers illegal? Does that include all brakes on trailers? What about > > > those state that require brakes on trailers carry specified weights? > > > > > > > > > Ed K > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dennis J Sitler" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 8:24 PM > > > Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rick, > > > > I would be interested in what they might have to say, if it isn't too > > much > > > > trouble for you. My plans are to get my boat sailable for this fall up > > > here, > > > > and do more work on it and rebuild the trailer over winter. I hope to > > take > > > > it down to the bay next spring to spend weekends there. I have seen >boat > > > > trailers with surge brakes, but I don't recall any with electric. I >was > > > > planning to get stainless steel disk brakes with a new surge unit. I >am > > > > planning on calling the MVA and getting information from them when I >get > > a > > > > chance, maybe tomorrow. Appreciate any help,and thanks. > > > > > > > > Denny, > > > > 1974 R22 Gossamer Wing > > > > Berwick, PA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Rick Redmond > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:12 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denny, > > > > > > > > > > I just saw this article in a magazine about Chesapeake Bay boating. > > So > > > > its > > > > > is true. Check with your local police to see if MD can enforce >their > > > law > > > > on > > > > > trailers that are registered and tagged in other states. If you >like, > > I > > > > > could check with my local MD State Police Barracks to see how they >are > > > > going > > > > > to enforce this law. > > > > > > > > > > Rick Redmond > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Dennis J Sitler" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 7:38 PM > > > > > Subject: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a question to Rhodies in the Chesapeake Bay area. A friend > > who > > > > has > > > > > a > > > > > > boat in the upper bay told me that the Governor of Maryland signed >a > > > law > > > > > > into effect making surge brakes illegal in the state. He also said > > > that > > > > > the > > > > > > fine was like $500 or more. Supposedly the law was for trucks but >as > > > it > > > > > > turned out it ended up including boat trailers. I need to put >brakes > > > on > > > > my > > > > > > trailer after I get my boat done ( whenever that happens). Since I > > > live > > > > in > > > > > > PA but want to sail on the bay this is a concern to me and >possibly > > > the > > > > > rest > > > > > > of you. I have a dual axle trailer that in PA if registered over > > 3000 > > > > > pounds > > > > > > needs brakes on all 4 wheels to pass inspection. I was going to >put > > 4 > > > > disk > > > > > > brakes and a new surge unit on it. I think this is the ideal setup > > for > > > > > this > > > > > > type trailer. I could use any information on this situation before >I > > > > spend > > > > > > money on something that won't be legal where I want to use it. Any > > > help > > > > > will > > > > > > be appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Denny, > > > > > > 1974 R22 Gossamer Wing > > > > > > Berwick, PA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ** 6 of 197 list members have joined SailPerks ** > > > > > > SailPerks save you money while supporting this List. > > > > > > Visit http://www.sailnet.com/sailperks/ for details. > > > > > > > > > > > > 10% off all Bluewater Sails Ordered in July! > > > > > > Order any AirForce Bluewater sail during the > > > > > > month of July and get a 10% discount. > > > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/airforce/options_quoter/index.cfm > > > > > > > > > > > > The rhodes-list is brought to you by SailNet, Where Sailors Get >It! > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: rhodes-list-unsubscribe@sailnet.net > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: rhodes-list-help@sailnet.net > > > > > > This message is part of thread number 13988. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ** 6 of 197 list members have joined SailPerks ** > > > > > SailPerks save you money while supporting this List. > > > > > Visit http://www.sailnet.com/sailperks/ for details. > > > > > > > > > > 10% off all Bluewater Sails Ordered in July! 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> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: rhodes-list-unsubscribe@sailnet.net > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: rhodes-list-help@sailnet.net > > > > This message is part of thread number 13990. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ** 6 of 197 list members have joined SailPerks ** > > > SailPerks save you money while supporting this List. > > > Visit http://www.sailnet.com/sailperks/ for details. > > > > > > 10% off all Bluewater Sails Ordered in July! > > > Order any AirForce Bluewater sail during the > > > month of July and get a 10% discount. > > > http://www.sailnet.com/airforce/options_quoter/index.cfm > > > > > > The rhodes-list is brought to you by SailNet, Where Sailors Get It! > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: rhodes-list-unsubscribe@sailnet.net > > > For additional commands, e-mail: rhodes-list-help@sailnet.net > > > This message is part of thread number 13991. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > >_______________________________________ >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 13:15:30 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 08:15:30 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801003534.00b0ddb0@rea-alp.com> References: <003901c2391a$c9973ca0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731232846.00a7fbc0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731234526.00ae8d18@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801000829.00af5f98@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801081147.01765e98@mail1.netreach.net> --=====================_1637734==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Michael & Rik I'm off on vacation for a couple of days and then have a few pretty intense weeks at work but I'd be willing to work on the idea and on gathering the info if it isn't to be a fill out a form sort of list. Rik, maybe you and I can toss around ideas when I get back. Mary Lou off to Vt for the Champlain Valley Folk Fest http://www.cvfest.org/ bye. At 12:45 AM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Michael, > >I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners might >be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't been to, or >wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, it would sure >make it simpler to figure out who is where and get in touch. I know >everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail address is already out >there for anyone to look at if they want to and my name and address is in >the phone book for everyone that's interested to see. I don't see where >having a little personal info on our web site would really open me up to >any security problems that I'm not already open for. And, if we used our >passwords for access (members only) I don't see where it could really do >any harm. What do you think???? Doubt I could be much help in designing it >though. > >Rik > > >At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a >>"greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 of >>the list, but that it mosly programming right now. >> >>www.rhodes22.org could always use something. Any >>Ideas that you might want to see thier? >> >>MJM >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Rik Sandberg >>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >> >>Michael, >> >>Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mildly >> >>Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to >>have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on >>some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention. >> >>Rik >> >> >> >> >> >>At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are other >>>services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been cutting >>>production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one tonight >>>durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of borring. >>> >>>MJM >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>> >>>Michael, >>> >>>Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. >>>'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president >>>either. So, I guess that's a good thing. >>> >>>Hope you get it all straightened out OK >>> >>>Rik >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to I >>>>could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world. >>>>MJM >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>> >>>>Michael, >>>> >>>>Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few >>>>minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night. >>>> >>>>Rik >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. >>>>>openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on >>>>>the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer >>>>>overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on >>>>>the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over >>>>>which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a >>>>>security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it >>>>>as a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-) >>>>>MJM >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>>>Thanks Michael, >>>>> >>>>>Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is >>>>>going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-) >>>>> >>>>>Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never >>>>>having a clue what the heck was going on. >>>>> >>>>>Rik >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an >>>>>>emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL >>>>>>libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the >>>>>>packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes >>>>>>find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes >>>>>>outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no >>>>>>member need to due anything, just a heads up. >>>>>>MJM --=====================_1637734==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Michael & Rik
I'm off on vacation for a couple of days and then have a few pretty intense weeks at work but I'd be willing to work on the idea and on gathering the info if it isn't to be a fill out a form sort of list. Rik, maybe you and I can toss around ideas when I get back.

Mary Lou
off to Vt for the Champlain Valley Folk Fest http://www.cvfest.org/ bye.

At 12:45 AM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Michael,

I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't been to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, it would sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get in touch. I know everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail address is already out there for anyone to look at if they want to and my name and address is in the phone book for everyone that's interested to see. I don't see where having a little personal info on our web site would really open me up to any security problems that I'm not already open for. And, if we used our passwords for access (members only) I don't see where it could really do any harm. What do you think???? Doubt I could be much help in designing it though.

Rik

At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a "greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 of the list, but that it mosly programming right now.

www.rhodes22.org could always use something. Any Ideas that you might want to see thier?

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mildly

Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention.

Rik

At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are other services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been cutting production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of borring.

MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president either. So, I guess that's a good thing.

Hope you get it all straightened out OK

Rik

At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world.
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night.

Rik

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-)
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin
Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never having a clue what the heck was going on.

Rik

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due anything, just a heads up.
MJM

--=====================_1637734==_.ALT-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 14:01:07 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Christine Allison) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:01:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mid-ship cleat source References: Message-ID: <002801c2395b$8149cda0$835371cf@ms049564> Defender Industries sells a cleat which slides onto the forward Genoa track (1 inch wide) The cleat sells for about $33. I have mine installed at the aft end of the track. It's not quite the right position but it works OK. Richard Smith From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 14:37:18 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Wally Buck) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:37:18 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Good Day! Message-ID: Murray, Welcome and I hope you find a Rhodes to suit you. I couldn't help but notice your last name. Any chance you are from NY area? Wally Buck, Knoxville TN >From: Murray Buck >Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Good Day! >Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 13:01:08 -0400 > >I have just joined this group after falling in love with the Rhodes22 >after considering many others. > >I am very interested in all the discussions, but would particulary like >to talk to Rhodies in Canada, I am interested in purchasing a Rhodes and >I gather they are few and far between up here! > >Regards, Murray Buck > > >_______________________________________ >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 14:50:52 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Gardner, Douglas L. (LNG)) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:50:52 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Picture on Rhodes Owners Site Message-ID: <7985A5B6EB66D311B6350008C791487A0F06066F@lnxdayexch08.lexis-nexis.com> Great pictures, Ron! And that is an impressive heel you have in picture 22! How were you able to get L. Michigan to heel with you? *grin* Kidding aside, those are some great photos! It looks like it was a gorgeous day. -----Original Message----- From: ronald [mailto:lipton@fnal.gov] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:32 PM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Picture on Rhodes Owners Site Since people are talking about pictures here are some I took last Wednesday off Monroe Harbor in Chicago. http://homepage.mac.com/ronlipton/PhotoAlbum3.html I hope to get some nice sunset pictures later this week. Ron Lipton Empress of Blandings Monroe Harbor, Chicago _______________________________________ Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 15:12:49 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 09:12:49 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801081147.01765e98@mail1.netreach.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801003534.00b0ddb0@rea-alp.com> <003901c2391a$c9973ca0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731230439.00a98ab0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731232846.00a7fbc0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020731234526.00ae8d18@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801000829.00af5f98@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801090917.00aa73f0@rea-alp.com> --=====================_172944440==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Mary Lou, I'd certainly be happy to work on it with you. By the time you get back though, I'll probably be gone for the weekend. Should be around again by Monday night. Rik At 08:15 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Michael & Rik >I'm off on vacation for a couple of days and then have a few pretty >intense weeks at work but I'd be willing to work on the idea and on >gathering the info if it isn't to be a fill out a form sort of list. Rik, >maybe you and I can toss around ideas when I get back. > >Mary Lou >off to Vt for the Champlain Valley Folk Fest http://www.cvfest.org/ bye. > >At 12:45 AM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: >>Michael, >> >>I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners might >>be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't been to, >>or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, it would >>sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get in touch. I know >>everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail address is already >>out there for anyone to look at if they want to and my name and address >>is in the phone book for everyone that's interested to see. I don't see >>where having a little personal info on our web site would really open me >>up to any security problems that I'm not already open for. And, if we >>used our passwords for access (members only) I don't see where it could >>really do any harm. What do you think???? Doubt I could be much help in >>designing it though. >> >>Rik >> >> >>At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a >>>"greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 of >>>the list, but that it mosly programming right now. >>> >>>www.rhodes22.org could always use something. >>>Any Ideas that you might want to see thier? >>> >>>MJM >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>> >>>Michael, >>> >>>Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mildly >>> >>>Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to >>>have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on >>>some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention. >>> >>>Rik >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are other >>>>services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been cutting >>>>production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one tonight >>>>durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of borring. >>>> >>>>MJM >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>> >>>>Michael, >>>> >>>>Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. >>>>'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president >>>>either. So, I guess that's a good thing. >>>> >>>>Hope you get it all straightened out OK >>>> >>>>Rik >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to >>>>>I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world. >>>>>MJM >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>>>Michael, >>>>> >>>>>Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few >>>>>minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night. >>>>> >>>>>Rik >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing >>>>>>tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real >>>>>>screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the >>>>>>list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to >>>>>>secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine >>>>>>can be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider >>>>>>that SSL is a security package in it self. This is preventive >>>>>>medicine, thing of it as a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-) >>>>>>MJM >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>>>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM >>>>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin >>>>>>Thanks Michael, >>>>>> >>>>>>Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is >>>>>>going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-) >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never >>>>>>having a clue what the heck was going on. >>>>>> >>>>>>Rik >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>>Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an >>>>>>>emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL >>>>>>>libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the >>>>>>>packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script >>>>>>>kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 >>>>>>>minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and >>>>>>>packages, no member need to due anything, just a heads up. >>>>>>>MJM --=====================_172944440==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Mary Lou,

I'd certainly be happy to work on it with you. By the time you get back though, I'll probably be gone for the weekend. Should be around again by Monday night.

Rik

At 08:15 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Michael & Rik
I'm off on vacation for a couple of days and then have a few pretty intense weeks at work but I'd be willing to work on the idea and on gathering the info if it isn't to be a fill out a form sort of list. Rik, maybe you and I can toss around ideas when I get back.

Mary Lou
off to Vt for the Champlain Valley Folk Fest http://www.cvfest.org/ bye.

At 12:45 AM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Michael,

I guess I kind of agree with Mary Lou, that a roster of R 22 owners might be pretty cool. If someone wanted to go to an area they hadn't been to, or wanted to meet up with other Rhodies in a particular area, it would sure make it simpler to figure out who is where and get in touch. I know everyone sweats about security, but hell, my e-mail address is already out there for anyone to look at if they want to and my name and address is in the phone book for everyone that's interested to see. I don't see where having a little personal info on our web site would really open me up to any security problems that I'm not already open for. And, if we used our passwords for access (members only) I don't see where it could really do any harm. What do you think???? Doubt I could be much help in designing it though.

Rik

At 01:17 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

I still have some of your stuff queued up :-) I think bill work on a "greeting" and a monthy "reminder". I got some stuff one the verion 2 of the list, but that it mosly programming right now.

www.rhodes22.org could always use something. Any Ideas that you might want to see thier?

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Yeah, I hear ya, reboot......reboot.....reboot......sucks to put it mildly

Long as I've got you on the line, is there anything else you'd like to have edited (if you can call what I do editing) I'd be happy to take on some more stuff, if there is something that needs attention.

Rik

At 12:48 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

"It what I do", in truth the list does not use SSL, but thier are other services on this machine that do, It a day job thing, I been cutting production machines over all day. doing the more crictial one tonight durring low usage hours. watching 3 rebuild right now, kind of borring.

MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin

Michael,

Too bad your so honest, you're not likely to get filthy rich that way. 'Course, your not likely to be called a bad bad man by the president either. So, I guess that's a good thing.

Hope you get it all straightened out OK

Rik

At 12:31 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

NA, different animal, But I tell you something, If I was of a mind to I could take over 50% OF ALL the eCommerce sites in the world.
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin
Michael,

Hmmm.......wonder if that's why I just got something from McAfee a few minutes ago???? Don't usually get stuff from them at this time of night.

Rik

At 12:14 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

It not only me, 50% of the web should be doing the same thing tonight. openssl is used by everyone and every body. this is a real screw up on the openssl people front. Their is no problem with the list, a buffer overrun was found in the SSL libs that is used to secure privacy on the web. The hole is big enough that the machine can be taken over which is very very bad, extremity when you consider that SSL is a security package in it self. This is preventive medicine, thing of it as a condom before someone try to give us the clap :-)
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin
Thanks Michael,

Your doing a heck of a job. AND, what's this???? notice that there is going to be a problem????? What a concept. Never seen that done before. :-) :-)

Thanks for letting us know, I, for one, got kinda tired of never having a clue what the heck was going on.

Rik

At 11:49 PM 7/31/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Looks like throes group screwed the pooch again(openssl), I have an emergency upgrade to the systems taking place right now, The SSL libraries are being replaced on this machine right now and the packages that they link to, security upgrade before the script kiddes find out, the list might be slow 0:00-3:00 with about a 15 minutes outage as the machine is boot in to the new kernel and packages, no member need to due anything, just a heads up.
MJM

--=====================_172944440==_.ALT-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 15:25:00 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Paul Grandholm) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:25:00 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sleep Habits Message-ID: <3D04D4BB@mail> Rik, Don't you ever sleep? Paul On Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:12 AM, Rik Sandberg wrote: > >Date: 1-Aug-2002 10:12:49 -0400 >From: Rik Sandberg >To: -@SMTP (rhodes22-list) {rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org} >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin ======================== Paul Grandholm C&H Technology GrandPower Components Div. ======================== From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 15:53:42 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Gardner, Douglas L. (LNG)) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:53:42 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] FW: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question Message-ID: <7985A5B6EB66D311B6350008C791487A0F060671@lnxdayexch08.lexis-nexis.com> A lot of this is from old discussions, but thought I'd forward my reply from the other list... -----Original Message----- From: Gardner, Douglas L. (LNG) [mailto:douglas.gardner@lexisnexis.com] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:36 AM To: 'rhodes-list@sailnet.net' Subject: RE: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question Ed, Rick, & Denny, I'm sure they don't mean that BRAKES are illegal. Just brakes that operate based on trailer pressure on the hitch, such as the pressure activated hydraulic brakes used on most boat trailers. There are some good things and bad things about surge brakes. First, though, we should know why surge brakes exist. The simple reason is WATER. Electric brakes are superior in a variety of ways. They are cheaper, and you can have very precise control of the amount of trailer braking via a brake controller monted in the tow vehicle. However, submerging them voids the warranty. Essentially, electric brakes are activated by electromagnets at the wheel. Most people are a little wary of submerging electromagnets. It certainly can't be good for them. Salt water could be downright ugly. So, the brake manufacturers came up with a hydraulic brake which withstands dunking much better. These brakes are activated by a surge controller mounted at the hitch coupler. This controller determines the amount of pressure the trailer exerts on the tow vehicle, and applies braking as the pressure increases. However, there are some serious drawbacks to surge brakes. 1) control is almost non-existent. You cannot control how much trailer braking you have from the driver's seat. You cannot independently control trailer and vehicle braking in an emergency. 2) Backing is a problem. If you try to back up, the brakes are applied. (pressure on the coupler, remember?) If you try harder, the brakes lock up. If you remember to disengage the brakes you're OK, but you also have no brakes. 3) Tongue extensions are cumbersome. Because the activator is mounted to the coupler, you need to deal with the brake lines when backing. In most cases, the brake lines are disconnected. Some people have installed quick disconnects to make this easier, but air bubbles in the brake lines can still be a problem. Trailers with separate extendable tongues avoid this problem. Apparently, Maryland has decided that these problems are serious enough to disqualify surge brakes as a way to meet the requirements for brakes on trailers over 3000 lbs. Apparently, they did not include an exemption for recreational use. Rumor has it that Ohio is considering a similar measure. I bet others are, as well. So... what do you do? I believe that there are currently 2 options which include compliance with the law. 1) Electrically controlled hydraulic brakes. These are hydraulic brakes (like on surge brakes) but replace the surge controller with an electrically operated hydraulic system, controlled by the standard electric brake controller from the driver's seat. PROBLEM: they are very expensive (my quote was more than double the cost of surge brakes) and new. Interpret NEW to mean "we don't know what is wrong with them, yet... and the bugs aren't worked out" 2) Use electric brakes, and check them for problems regularly. Disconnect the plug before backing into the water. Let them drain thoroughly before reconnecting, and live without the warranty. It will have expired before you land your boat in fall, anyway! New magnets are cheap ($20 each, or so) and apparently easy to replace. Also, brakes get wet. Always have, and always will. The submerging problem has probably been exaggerated for fresh water. (seriously consider the electrically operated hydraulic brakes for salt water use, though!) I'm not qualified (or legally protected) so would not want to give advice on a serious topic like trailer brakes. However, I can tell you that I just had electric brakes installed on Fretnaught's trailer. I could probably tell you in about a year if I think I made the right decision or not. Good luck, --Doug Gardner s/v Fretnaught -----Original Message----- From: Ed Kroposki [mailto:kroposki@innova.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 11:54 PM To: rhodes-list@sailnet.net Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question Rick, Dennis, What is the reason for making surge brakes on trailers illegal? Does that include all brakes on trailers? What about those state that require brakes on trailers carry specified weights? Ed K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis J Sitler" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > Hi Rick, > I would be interested in what they might have to say, if it isn't too much > trouble for you. My plans are to get my boat sailable for this fall up here, > and do more work on it and rebuild the trailer over winter. I hope to take > it down to the bay next spring to spend weekends there. I have seen boat > trailers with surge brakes, but I don't recall any with electric. I was > planning to get stainless steel disk brakes with a new surge unit. I am > planning on calling the MVA and getting information from them when I get a > chance, maybe tomorrow. Appreciate any help,and thanks. > > Denny, > 1974 R22 Gossamer Wing > Berwick, PA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Redmond > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:12 PM > Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > Denny, > > > > I just saw this article in a magazine about Chesapeake Bay boating. So > its > > is true. Check with your local police to see if MD can enforce their law > on > > trailers that are registered and tagged in other states. If you like, I > > could check with my local MD State Police Barracks to see how they are > going > > to enforce this law. > > > > Rick Redmond > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dennis J Sitler" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 7:38 PM > > Subject: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > > > > This is a question to Rhodies in the Chesapeake Bay area. A friend who > has > > a > > > boat in the upper bay told me that the Governor of Maryland signed a law > > > into effect making surge brakes illegal in the state. He also said that > > the > > > fine was like $500 or more. Supposedly the law was for trucks but as it > > > turned out it ended up including boat trailers. I need to put brakes on > my > > > trailer after I get my boat done ( whenever that happens). Since I live > in > > > PA but want to sail on the bay this is a concern to me and possibly the > > rest > > > of you. I have a dual axle trailer that in PA if registered over 3000 > > pounds > > > needs brakes on all 4 wheels to pass inspection. I was going to put 4 > disk > > > brakes and a new surge unit on it. I think this is the ideal setup for > > this > > > type trailer. I could use any information on this situation before I > spend > > > money on something that won't be legal where I want to use it. Any help > > will > > > be appreciated. > > > > > > Denny, > > > 1974 R22 Gossamer Wing > > > Berwick, PA > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ** 6 of 197 list members have joined SailPerks ** > > > SailPerks save you money while supporting this List. > > > Visit http://www.sailnet.com/sailperks/ for details. > > > > > > 10% off all Bluewater Sails Ordered in July! > > > Order any AirForce Bluewater sail during the > > > month of July and get a 10% discount. > > > http://www.sailnet.com/airforce/options_quoter/index.cfm > > > > > > The rhodes-list is brought to you by SailNet, Where Sailors Get It! > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: rhodes-list-unsubscribe@sailnet.net > > > For additional commands, e-mail: rhodes-list-help@sailnet.net > > > This message is part of thread number 13988. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ** 6 of 197 list members have joined SailPerks ** > > SailPerks save you money while supporting this List. > > Visit http://www.sailnet.com/sailperks/ for details. > > > > 10% off all Bluewater Sails Ordered in July! > > Order any AirForce Bluewater sail during the > > month of July and get a 10% discount. > > http://www.sailnet.com/airforce/options_quoter/index.cfm > > > > The rhodes-list is brought to you by SailNet, Where Sailors Get It! > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: rhodes-list-unsubscribe@sailnet.net > > For additional commands, e-mail: rhodes-list-help@sailnet.net > > This message is part of thread number 13989. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** 6 of 197 list members have joined SailPerks ** > SailPerks save you money while supporting this List. > Visit http://www.sailnet.com/sailperks/ for details. > > 10% off all Bluewater Sails Ordered in July! > Order any AirForce Bluewater sail during the > month of July and get a 10% discount. > http://www.sailnet.com/airforce/options_quoter/index.cfm > > The rhodes-list is brought to you by SailNet, Where Sailors Get It! > To unsubscribe, e-mail: rhodes-list-unsubscribe@sailnet.net > For additional commands, e-mail: rhodes-list-help@sailnet.net > This message is part of thread number 13990. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- ** 6 of 197 list members have joined SailPerks ** SailPerks save you money while supporting this List. 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Order any AirForce Bluewater sail during the month of July and get a 10% discount. http://www.sailnet.com/airforce/options_quoter/index.cfm The rhodes-list is brought to you by SailNet, Where Sailors Get It! To unsubscribe, e-mail: rhodes-list-unsubscribe@sailnet.net For additional commands, e-mail: rhodes-list-help@sailnet.net This message is part of thread number 13992. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 15:53:47 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Bill Effros) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:53:47 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question References: <008901c23912$e171a070$0b01a8c0@mjm2> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801080714.00b61780@mail1.netreach.net> Message-ID: <001b01c2396b$3df140a0$a40b2c18@JesseEffros> As has been discussed many times on the list, most of our surge brakes don't work properly, but we all thought we had to have them due to various state laws. The governor of MD is saying the Federal laws supercede state laws, and surge brakes are not sufficient. I have always been a proponent of large tow vehicles, not for their greater pulling power, but for their greater stopping power and longer wheel bases which minimize the ability of the tail to wag the dog. Bill Effros ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lou Troy" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question Michael, The article I saw mentioned that but evidently most of the discussion prior to the veto had to do with the fact that they (the MD administration) didn't want to approve something not approved by the Federal Dept. of Transportation. I suspect that the Fed. DOT doesn't even get into recreational vehicles. I can understand why they might not want to have surge brakes on a semi. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. There are an awful lot of boats on trailers in MD. Don't know if the BOAT/US legislative group is monitoring but they've been effective in lobbying in the past. Mary Lou At 12:22 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I read the veto, get this, it because they do not work when you back >up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >MJM >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Meltzer" >To: >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:21 AM >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ed Kroposki" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 11:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > > > > > > > Rick, Dennis, > > > What is the reason for making surge brakes on > > > trailers illegal? Does that include all brakes on trailers? What about > > > those state that require brakes on trailers carry specified weights? > > > > > > > > > Ed K > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dennis J Sitler" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 8:24 PM > > > Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rick, > > > > I would be interested in what they might have to say, if it isn't too > > much > > > > trouble for you. My plans are to get my boat sailable for this fall up > > > here, > > > > and do more work on it and rebuild the trailer over winter. I hope to > > take > > > > it down to the bay next spring to spend weekends there. I have seen >boat > > > > trailers with surge brakes, but I don't recall any with electric. I >was > > > > planning to get stainless steel disk brakes with a new surge unit. I >am > > > > planning on calling the MVA and getting information from them when I >get > > a > > > > chance, maybe tomorrow. Appreciate any help,and thanks. > > > > > > > > Denny, > > > > 1974 R22 Gossamer Wing > > > > Berwick, PA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Rick Redmond > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:12 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denny, > > > > > > > > > > I just saw this article in a magazine about Chesapeake Bay boating. > > So > > > > its > > > > > is true. Check with your local police to see if MD can enforce >their > > > law > > > > on > > > > > trailers that are registered and tagged in other states. If you >like, > > I > > > > > could check with my local MD State Police Barracks to see how they >are > > > > going > > > > > to enforce this law. > > > > > > > > > > Rick Redmond > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Dennis J Sitler" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 7:38 PM > > > > > Subject: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a question to Rhodies in the Chesapeake Bay area. A friend > > who > > > > has > > > > > a > > > > > > boat in the upper bay told me that the Governor of Maryland signed >a > > > law > > > > > > into effect making surge brakes illegal in the state. He also said > > > that > > > > > the > > > > > > fine was like $500 or more. Supposedly the law was for trucks but >as > > > it > > > > > > turned out it ended up including boat trailers. I need to put >brakes > > > on > > > > my > > > > > > trailer after I get my boat done ( whenever that happens). Since I > > > live > > > > in > > > > > > PA but want to sail on the bay this is a concern to me and >possibly > > > the > > > > > rest > > > > > > of you. I have a dual axle trailer that in PA if registered over > > 3000 > > > > > pounds > > > > > > needs brakes on all 4 wheels to pass inspection. I was going to >put > > 4 > > > > disk > > > > > > brakes and a new surge unit on it. I think this is the ideal setup > > for > > > > > this > > > > > > type trailer. I could use any information on this situation before >I > > > > spend > > > > > > money on something that won't be legal where I want to use it. Any > > > help > > > > > will > > > > > > be appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > Denny, > > > > > > 1974 R22 Gossamer Wing > > > > > > Berwick, PA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ** 6 of 197 list members have joined SailPerks ** > > > > > > SailPerks save you money while supporting this List. > > > > > > Visit http://www.sailnet.com/sailperks/ for details. > > > > > > > > > > > > 10% off all Bluewater Sails Ordered in July! > > > > > > Order any AirForce Bluewater sail during the > > > > > > month of July and get a 10% discount. > > > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/airforce/options_quoter/index.cfm > > > > > > > > > > > > The rhodes-list is brought to you by SailNet, Where Sailors Get >It! > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: rhodes-list-unsubscribe@sailnet.net > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: rhodes-list-help@sailnet.net > > > > > > This message is part of thread number 13988. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ** 6 of 197 list members have joined SailPerks ** > > > > > SailPerks save you money while supporting this List. > > > > > Visit http://www.sailnet.com/sailperks/ for details. > > > > > > > > > > 10% off all Bluewater Sails Ordered in July! 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http://www.rhodes22.org > >_______________________________________ >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org _______________________________________ Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 16:11:08 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:11:08 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sleep Habits References: <3D04D4BB@mail> Message-ID: <000d01c2396d$ad052810$052aa8c0@rik> Paul, Seems like I go in streaks. Fell over about 9 pm on Tuesday night. Didn't really intend to be up that late last night, but......oh well "stuff" happens. Been doing that (short nights with long nights to make up once in a while) for 30 years or so. Just get used to it I guess. :-) Rik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Grandholm" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:25 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sleep Habits > Rik, > > Don't you ever sleep? > > Paul > > On Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:12 AM, Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > >Date: 1-Aug-2002 10:12:49 -0400 > >From: Rik Sandberg > >To: -@SMTP (rhodes22-list) {rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org} > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin > > > ======================== > Paul Grandholm > C&H Technology > GrandPower Components Div. > ======================== > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 16:03:21 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Gardner, Douglas L. (LNG)) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 11:03:21 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sleep Habits Message-ID: <7985A5B6EB66D311B6350008C791487A0F060673@lnxdayexch08.lexis-nexis.com> You're still keeping trucker's hours, Rik? Or are those STUDENT hours? I thought you had people to do that FOR you, now!! ;^) -----Original Message----- From: Rik Sandberg [mailto:racerrik@rea-alp.com] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:11 AM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sleep Habits Paul, Seems like I go in streaks. Fell over about 9 pm on Tuesday night. Didn't really intend to be up that late last night, but......oh well "stuff" happens. Been doing that (short nights with long nights to make up once in a while) for 30 years or so. Just get used to it I guess. :-) Rik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Grandholm" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:25 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sleep Habits > Rik, > > Don't you ever sleep? > > Paul > > On Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:12 AM, Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > >Date: 1-Aug-2002 10:12:49 -0400 > >From: Rik Sandberg > >To: -@SMTP (rhodes22-list) {rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org} > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin > > > ======================== > Paul Grandholm > C&H Technology > GrandPower Components Div. > ======================== > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > _______________________________________ Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 16:15:51 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Ben Schultz) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:15:51 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] neat site Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2396E.52953090-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 16:41:18 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 10:41:18 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sleep Habits References: <7985A5B6EB66D311B6350008C791487A0F060673@lnxdayexch08.lexis-nexis.com> Message-ID: <001d01c23971$e41c41e0$052aa8c0@rik> Ha ha ha.........the help stays late........that's a good one. Since I acquired the race track, I guess I ended back on the truckers hours thing. Usually 7 days a week, as many hours as I can stand every day. Usually get a little break in the middle of the week. Course I'm not smart enough to take advantage of it when I do get off early (by 6 or 7 pm) and find my self doing stuff like last night. I guess a guy has to take a certain amount of "fun" time, even if it cuts into the sleep a little. Rik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gardner, Douglas L. (LNG)" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:03 AM Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Sleep Habits > You're still keeping trucker's hours, Rik? Or are those STUDENT hours? > > I thought you had people to do that FOR you, now!! ;^) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rik Sandberg [mailto:racerrik@rea-alp.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:11 AM > To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sleep Habits > > > Paul, > > Seems like I go in streaks. Fell over about 9 pm on Tuesday night. Didn't > really intend to be up that late last night, but......oh well "stuff" > happens. Been doing that (short nights with long nights to make up once in a > while) for 30 years or so. Just get used to it I guess. :-) > > Rik > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Grandholm" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 9:25 AM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sleep Habits > > > > Rik, > > > > Don't you ever sleep? > > > > Paul > > > > On Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:12 AM, Rik Sandberg wrote: > > > > > >Date: 1-Aug-2002 10:12:49 -0400 > > >From: Rik Sandberg > > >To: -@SMTP (rhodes22-list) {rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org} > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Headup, list admin > > > > > > ======================== > > Paul Grandholm > > C&H Technology > > GrandPower Components Div. > > ======================== > > > > _______________________________________ > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 18:05:01 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Murray Buck) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 13:05:01 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hundreds of emails Message-ID: <3D496A3D.7040807@rogers.com> I'm a newbie to this org and so far this morning I have deleted over 500 emails ... mostly duplicates of Volume #1, #58 ... Is this normal or am I doing something wrong? Thanks for your help Murray Buck From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 18:13:31 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Gardner, Douglas L. (LNG)) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:13:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hundreds of emails Message-ID: <7985A5B6EB66D311B6350008C791487A0F060676@lnxdayexch08.lexis-nexis.com> Murray, Sorry. No, that isn't normal. I don't know what is wrong (I haven't received them), but I guess that you are receiving the digest or archived posts. Perhaps there is a problem there related to his system restart. I'm sure MJM will chime in with an answer, as soon as he can. --Doug -----Original Message----- From: Murray Buck [mailto:murray.buck@rogers.com] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:05 PM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hundreds of emails I'm a newbie to this org and so far this morning I have deleted over 500 emails ... mostly duplicates of Volume #1, #58 ... Is this normal or am I doing something wrong? Thanks for your help Murray Buck _______________________________________ Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 18:37:32 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:37:32 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hundreds of emails References: <3D496A3D.7040807@rogers.com> Message-ID: <00b501c23982$1dd3d9b0$34f820c0@ix1x1000> Nothing you did wrong, it looks like the diject blewup, my fault, hitting is down now, sorry. MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murray Buck" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:05 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hundreds of emails > I'm a newbie to this org and so far this morning I have deleted over 500 > emails ... mostly duplicates of Volume #1, #58 ... Is this normal or am > I doing something wrong? > > Thanks for your help > > Murray Buck > > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 19:10:44 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Roger Pihlaja) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:10:44 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop References: <002301c23778$8aad6da0$a410613f@kroposki> Message-ID: <009501c23986$c6b8b5b0$a8b7fea9@computer> Richard, Since the rope loop was in the galley cabinet, my guess would be a trivet to set under a hot pot. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Kroposki" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop > Richard: > Send picture, 3-D if you will. > Ed K > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard and Sherry Day" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:24 PM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop > > > > When I purchased my used boat among the misc. items under the sink was a > > loop of hemp rope. The braided rope is thick (2") making a loop (6" in > > dia.) banded together by a thin steel ring with the two ends frayed. I am > > at a loss as to what the purpose of this rope loop is for. Would it be > > nothing but a novelty item or does it have a meaningful purpose? Does > > anyone have any idea what this is for? Thank you, Richard Day > > > > _______________________________________ > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 19:13:50 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Roger Pihlaja) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 13:13:50 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Single line docking trick References: Message-ID: <00b401c23987$420335b0$a8b7fea9@computer> Steve, Try putting a loop over your genoa sheet winch & see if that's sufficiently far aft for the single line docking technique to work. The handholds on the cabin are definitely too far forward. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Alm" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 2:17 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Single line docking trick > I've been trying Roger's single line docking trick a lot lately. I've tried > connecting it in several places and have settled on the stainless hand hold > on the cockpit bulkhead. But the bow still comes into the dock first. I > typically land with the board up and the rudder uncleated--both down haul > and up haul. This causes the rudder to ride up and back a little. I do > this because the water at my dock is shallow and quite weedy. This puts my > CLR farther aft and I suppose that's why the bow comes in first. (?) > > So the line should be connected to the boat farther aft, right? I'm > wondering if the primary jib lead block is sturdy enough for this. Since > it's adjustable fore and aft, I could experiment and get it just right but I > don't want to risk any damage. > > I've also tried connecting to the stern cleat which brings the stern in > first. That isn't so bad because I'm sitting in the stern and can easily > reach out my arm and fend off, then quickly step off onto the dock with bow > line in hand. But if I'm coming in too fast, that could be a hazard. We > piano players don't want to bang up our hands. (I'm certain nobody else > does either.) Maybe use the stern cleat for the landing line and hang a > nice big fender from the winch and/or stern pulpit? > > Anybody? > > Slim > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 19:44:12 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:44:12 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] oK i HAVE A MAJOR SCREEW UP Message-ID: <019e01c2398b$6dbbd960$34f820c0@ix1x1000> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_019B_01C23969.E6A57E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It looks like the upgrade from last night screewed up some file = permisions, that in turn caused the system to resend the diject once a = minute thinking it did not send it, sory sorry sorry, I got a bandaid on = it for now,=20 MJM ------=_NextPart_000_019B_01C23969.E6A57E70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It looks like the upgrade from = last night=20 screewed up some file permisions, that in turn caused the system to = resend the=20 diject once a minute thinking it did not send it, sory sorry sorry, I = got a=20 bandaid on it for now,

MJM

------=_NextPart_000_019B_01C23969.E6A57E70-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 19:59:00 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 14:59:00 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] oK i HAVE A MAJOR SCREEW UP References: <019e01c2398b$6dbbd960$34f820c0@ix1x1000> Message-ID: <01b001c2398d$7f0aa050$34f820c0@ix1x1000> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01AD_01C2396B.F7EF8A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable test, MJM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Meltzer=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] oK i HAVE A MAJOR SCREEW UP It looks like the upgrade from last night screewed up some file = permisions, that in turn caused the system to resend the diject once a = minute thinking it did not send it, sory sorry sorry, I got a bandaid on = it for now,=20 MJM ------=_NextPart_000_01AD_01C2396B.F7EF8A70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

test,

MJM

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It looks like the upgrade from = last night=20 screewed up some file permisions, that in turn caused the system to = resend the=20 diject once a minute thinking it did not send it, sory sorry sorry, I = got a=20 bandaid on it for now,

MJM

------=_NextPart_000_01AD_01C2396B.F7EF8A70-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 20:34:53 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Bracknell, Keith) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 15:34:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New R22 Owner Message-ID: I just bought an 88 Reliant. I'm based out of Old Saybrook, CT. Can anyone tell me what the three plugs at the base and top of the mast are. Two of the plugs have two prongs and one of them have one prong. I'm also trying to install a VHF antenna, Shakespeare 36" 5215 CX that comes with 60' of Coax. Anyone will to share experience a through the cabin roof fitting? Or is there a simpler way to install the cable. Keith LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately. From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 21:12:15 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:12:15 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sorrry. Message-ID: <021301c23997$ba8b6e20$34f820c0@ix1x1000> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0210_01C23976.33703130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok I fixed the problem, it looks like I have been sending every digest = user (about 10) one copy of the digest every minute, the problem was the = file was not able to be deleted and was resentr every minute, My screew = up, I did not check the dijest before going to sleep. Sorry MJM ------=_NextPart_000_0210_01C23976.33703130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ok I fixed the problem, it looks like I = have been=20 sending every digest user (about 10) one copy of the digest every = minute, the=20 problem was the file was not able to be deleted and was resentr every = minute, My=20 screew up, I did not check the dijest before going to = sleep.

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------=_NextPart_000_0210_01C23976.33703130-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 21:27:03 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:27:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] jokes Message-ID: <026101c23999$cbe3d200$34f820c0@ix1x1000> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_025E_01C23978.44CD5000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BEAUTY Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it. - Confucius -- FAULTS The greatest of all faults is to be conscious of none. - Thomas Carlyle -- PROGRESS Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. - George Santayana -- SUCCESS Success is that old ABC -- ability, breaks, and courage. - Charles Luckman -- "So, Your Honor, the Pledge is unconstitutional because it says 'Under God'. Guess that means when you were sworn in with your hand on a Bible, and at the end of your oath repeated, 'So Help Me God' that makes your job unconstitutional! Therefore you have no job, which means your ruling doesn't mean a damn thing." --Dennis Miller - submitted by Rob Brucato -- Two Arabs boarded a flight out of New York. One sat in the window seat and the other sat in the middle seat. Just before takeoff, an American got on and took the aisle seat. After takeoff, the American kicked his shoes off, wiggled his toes and was settling in when the Arab in the window seat said, "I think I'll get up and get a drink." "No problem," said the American, "I'll get it for you." While he was gone, one of the Arabs picked up the American's shoe and spat in it. When he returned with the beer, the other Arab said, "That looks good, I think I'll have one." Again, the American obligingly went to fetch it and while he was gone, the other Arab picked up the other shoe and spat in it. When the American returned to his seat, they all sat back and enjoyed the flight. As the plane was landing, the American slipped his feet into his shoes and knew immediately what had happened. "Why does it have to be this way?" he asked. "How long must this go on? This fighting between our nations? This hatred? This animosity? This spitting in shoes and pissing in drinks?" - submitted by John Redfield -- Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur. (Whatever is said in Latin sounds profound.) --Richard Blalock -- On September 11, 2001 thousands of people lost their lives in a brutal assault on the American people and the American form of government. We mourn the loss of these innocent lives and insist that those who perpetrated these acts be held accountable. This tragedy requires all Americans to examine carefully the steps our country may now take to reduce the risk of future terrorist attacks. We need to consider proposals calmly and deliberately with a determination not to erode the liberties and freedoms that are at the core of the American way of life. We need to ensure that actions by our government uphold the principles of a democratic society, accountable government and international law, and that all decisions are taken in a manner consistent with the Constitution. We can, as we have in the past, in times of war and of peace, reconcile the requirements of security with the demands of liberty. We should resist the temptation to enact proposals in the mistaken belief that anything that may be called anti-terrorist will necessarily provide greater security. We should resist efforts to target people because of their race, religion, ethnic background or appearance, including immigrants in general, Arab Americans and Muslims. We affirm the right of peaceful dissent, protected by the First Amendment, now, when it is most at risk. We should applaud our political leaders in the days ahead who have the courage to say that our freedoms should not be limited. We must have faith in our democratic system and our Constitution, and in our ability to protect at the same time both the freedom and the security of all Americans. -submitted by Jay Pocius -- This is a genuine psychological test. It is a story about a girl. Whilst at the funeral of her own mother, she met this guy whom she did not know. She thought this guy was amazing, so much her dream guy she believed him to be, that she fell in love with him there and then... A few days later the girl killed her own sister. Question: What is her motive in killing her sister? DON'T Scroll down until you have thought what your own answer is to this question! She was hoping that the guy would appear at the funeral again. If you answered this correctly, you think like a psychopath. This was a test by famous American psychologist used to test if one has the same mentality as a killer. Many arrested serial killers took part in this test and answered it correctly. If you didn't answer correctly, good for you. If your friends hit the jackpot, may I suggest that you keep your distance. - submitted by Sue Greene -- Isn't it great we live in a country where a federal appeals court can declare the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional because the words "under God" are a violation of separation of church and state? Well, you know something, your honors: following that logic, wouldn't the fact that you were sworn in with your hand on a Bible render you unemployed? Or maybe we should respond by withholding your obviously unconstitutional "In God we trust" paychecks, huh? Or why don't we just change the phrase to "One nation under a crushing blanket of overly sensitive political correctness?" (Mumf note: BRAVO!!) If you haven't heard, Michael Newdow, a 49-year old atheist, created a media sensation this week after bringing a lawsuit on behalf of his 8-year old daughter. Well, Mikey, you did a great job of protecting your kid, didn't ya? Put her in the middle of this jingoistic maelstrom. Yeah, you are the dad of the year. Why don't you pick your trophy up when it's safe to come out of hiding? By the way, to all the people out there making death threats against this man and his daughter: if God had wanted you to kill in His name, you'd be living in the Middle East, not the Midwest. Well, anyway, it's good to know that all children are now guaranteed the right to come into their classroom in the morning and burn the flag, as long as they don't salute it. You know folks, I haven't quite figured out the math on this one yet, but I think the aggrieved minority in this culture now is the majority. And, by the way, to the two judges who authored this fiasco: instead of church and state, maybe you should be worried about the separation of your head and ass. --Dennis Miller - submitted by Gary Savage -- http://neic.usgs.gov/ - submitted by John Raso =20 ------=_NextPart_000_025E_01C23978.44CD5000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    BEAUTY

Everything has beauty,
but not everyone sees=20 it.

     - = Confucius

--
FAULTS

The=20 greatest of all faults
is to be conscious of=20 none.

     - Thomas=20 Carlyle

--
PROGRESS

Progress, far from consisting in=20 change,
depends on retentiveness.
Those who cannot remember the=20 past
are condemned to repeat it.

     - = George=20 Santayana

--
SUCCESS

Success is that old ABC = --
ability,=20 breaks, and courage.

     - Charles=20 Luckman

--
"So, Your Honor, the Pledge is unconstitutional = because=20 it
says 'Under God'. Guess that means when you were sworn in
with = your=20 hand on a Bible, and at the end of your oath
repeated, 'So Help Me = God' that=20 makes your job
unconstitutional! Therefore you have no job, which=20 means
your ruling doesn't mean a damn thing."

--Dennis=20 Miller

- submitted by Rob Brucato

--
Two Arabs boarded = a flight=20 out of New York. One sat in
the window seat and the other sat in the = middle=20 seat. Just
before takeoff, an American got on and took the aisle=20 seat.
After takeoff, the American kicked his shoes off, = wiggled
his toes=20 and was settling in when the Arab in
the window seat said, "I think = I'll get=20 up and get a drink."

"No problem," said the American, "I'll get = it for=20 you."

While he was gone, one of the Arabs picked up the=20 American's
shoe and spat in it. When he returned with the beer, = the
other=20 Arab said, "That looks good, I think I'll have one."

Again, the = American=20 obligingly went to fetch it and
while he was gone, the other Arab = picked up=20 the other shoe
and spat in it. When the American returned to his = seat,=20 they
all sat back and enjoyed the flight.

As the plane was = landing,=20 the American slipped his feet
into his shoes and knew immediately = what had=20 happened. "Why
does it have to be this way?" he asked. "How = long
must this=20 go on? This fighting between our nations? This
hatred? This = animosity? This=20 spitting in shoes and pissing
in drinks?"

- submitted by John=20 Redfield

--
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum = viditur.
(Whatever is=20 said in Latin sounds profound.)

--Richard = Blalock

--
On=20 September 11, 2001 thousands of people lost their lives
in a brutal = assault=20 on the American people and the American
form of government. We mourn = the loss=20 of these innocent
lives and insist that those who perpetrated these = acts=20 be
held accountable.

This tragedy requires all Americans to = examine=20 carefully the
steps our country may now take to reduce the risk of=20 future
terrorist attacks.

We need to consider proposals calmly = and=20 deliberately with a
determination not to erode the liberties and = freedoms=20 that
are at the core of the American way of life.

We need to = ensure=20 that actions by our government uphold the
principles of a democratic = society,=20 accountable government
and international law, and that all decisions = are=20 taken in a
manner consistent with the Constitution.

We can, as = we have=20 in the past, in times of war and of
peace, reconcile the requirements = of=20 security with the
demands of liberty.

We should resist the = temptation=20 to enact proposals in the
mistaken belief that anything that may be=20 called
anti-terrorist will necessarily provide greater = security.

We=20 should resist efforts to target people because of their
race, = religion,=20 ethnic background or appearance, including
immigrants in general, = Arab=20 Americans and Muslims.

We affirm the right of peaceful dissent, = protected=20 by the
First Amendment, now, when it is most at risk.

We = should=20 applaud our political leaders in the days ahead
who have the courage = to say=20 that our freedoms should not be
limited.

We must have faith in = our=20 democratic system and our
Constitution, and in our ability to protect = at the=20 same time
both the freedom and the security of all=20 Americans.

-submitted by Jay Pocius

--
This is a = genuine=20 psychological test. It is a story about a
girl. Whilst at the funeral = of her=20 own mother, she met this
guy whom she did not know. She thought this = guy was=20 amazing,
so much her dream guy she believed him to be, that she = fell
in=20 love with him there and then... A few days later the girl
killed her = own=20 sister.

Question: What is her motive in killing her sister?=20 DON'T
Scroll down until you have thought what your own answer = is
to this=20 question!

=

She=20 was hoping that the guy would appear at the funeral
again. If you = answered=20 this correctly, you think like a
psychopath. This was a test by = famous=20 American psychologist
used to test if one has the same mentality as a = killer.=20 Many
arrested serial killers took part in this test and = answered
it=20 correctly. If you didn't answer correctly, good for you.
If your = friends hit=20 the jackpot, may I suggest that you keep
your distance.

- = submitted by=20 Sue Greene

--
Isn't it great we live in a country where a = federal=20 appeals
court can declare the Pledge of Allegiance=20 unconstitutional
because the words "under God" are a violation of=20 separation
of church and state?

Well, you know something, your = honors:=20 following that logic,
wouldn't the fact that you were sworn in with = your hand=20 on a
Bible render you unemployed? Or maybe we should respond=20 by
withholding your obviously unconstitutional "In God we
trust"=20 paychecks, huh? Or why don't we just change the
phrase to "One nation = under a=20 crushing blanket of overly
sensitive political correctness?" (Mumf = note:=20 BRAVO!!)

If you haven't heard, Michael Newdow, a 49-year old=20 atheist,
created a media sensation this week after bringing a = lawsuit
on=20 behalf of his 8-year old daughter. Well, Mikey, you did a
great job = of=20 protecting your kid, didn't ya? Put her in the
middle of this = jingoistic=20 maelstrom. Yeah, you are the dad
of the year. Why don't you pick your = trophy=20 up when it's
safe to come out of hiding?

By the way, to all = the people=20 out there making death threats
against this man and his daughter: if = God had=20 wanted you to
kill in His name, you'd be living in the Middle East,=20 not
the Midwest.

Well, anyway, it's good to know that all = children are=20 now
guaranteed the right to come into their classroom in = the
morning and=20 burn the flag, as long as they don't salute it.

You know folks, I = haven't=20 quite figured out the math on this
one yet, but I think the aggrieved = minority in this culture
now is the majority.

And, by the way, = to the=20 two judges who authored this fiasco:
instead of church and state, = maybe you=20 should be worried
about the separation of your head and=20 ass.

--Dennis Miller

- submitted by Gary=20 Savage

--
http://neic.usgs.gov/

- submitted by John = Raso
       =20

------=_NextPart_000_025E_01C23978.44CD5000-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 21:55:08 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Dennis J Sitler) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:55:08 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ghostly Image References: Message-ID: <005c01c2399d$f3c33320$76df7941@oemcomputer> Thanks Steve, I think I can go clean out my shorts now. Denny ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Alm To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 4:32 AM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ghostly Image From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 21:54:33 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Roland.John) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 16:54:33 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New R22 Owner Message-ID: <5152ED4CB052D14485E09258BFFEA3BCA6BD82@sp-exch.ensco.win> Keith Do I understand that you have 3-plugs at the base of the mast and = 3-similar plugs at the top? The single prong plug may be an antenna = cable, compare it to the ANT receptacle on your transciever or the = receptacle (if equipped) on the new antenna. 2-prong plugs are usually = power plugs, masthead light and/or steaming or anchoring lights are = likely candidates. If this mast came with the boat I am surprised that = there aren't already matching receptacles near the base of the mast. = They may be under a cover plate of some kind. I've not installed a = thru-bulkhead connecter on a boat so i won't attempt to advise you = there. It will depend strongly on the cabin top construction in any = case. =20 Good Luck, John Roland -----Original Message----- From: Bracknell, Keith [mailto:keith_bracknell@groton.pfizer.com] Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:35 PM To: 'rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org' Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New R22 Owner I just bought an 88 Reliant. I'm based out of Old Saybrook, CT. Can = anyone tell me what the three plugs at the base and top of the mast are. Two of = the plugs have two prongs and one of them have one prong. I'm also trying to install a VHF antenna, Shakespeare 36" 5215 CX that = comes with 60' of Coax. Anyone will to share experience a through the cabin = roof fitting? Or is there a simpler way to install the cable. Keith LEGAL NOTICE Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may = be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this = E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any = disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken = (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If = you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately. _______________________________________ Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 23:36:55 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Richard and Sherry Day) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:36:55 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop In-Reply-To: <009501c23986$c6b8b5b0$a8b7fea9@computer> Message-ID: Hi Roger, It might be a little big, as in rope size thickness, to be used as a trivet, but your guess is as good as mine. I can at least give some explanations as to what this is when asked. Thanks, R. Day -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Roger Pihlaja Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:11 PM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop Richard, Since the rope loop was in the galley cabinet, my guess would be a trivet to set under a hot pot. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Kroposki" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop > Richard: > Send picture, 3-D if you will. > Ed K > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard and Sherry Day" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:24 PM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop > > > > When I purchased my used boat among the misc. items under the sink was a > > loop of hemp rope. The braided rope is thick (2") making a loop (6" in > > dia.) banded together by a thin steel ring with the two ends frayed. I am > > at a loss as to what the purpose of this rope loop is for. Would it be > > nothing but a novelty item or does it have a meaningful purpose? Does > > anyone have any idea what this is for? Thank you, Richard Day > > > > _______________________________________ > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > _______________________________________ Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Thu Aug 1 23:54:54 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 17:54:54 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop References: Message-ID: <000901c239ae$77095bf0$052aa8c0@rik> Hmm, sounds like a rope monkey (instead of a brass monkey) PO wasn't a bowler by any chance???? :-) Beginnings of a picture frame???? Rik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard and Sherry Day" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:36 PM Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop > Hi Roger, It might be a little big, as in rope size thickness, to be used > as a trivet, but your guess is as good as mine. I can at least give some > explanations as to what this is when asked. Thanks, R. Day > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Roger Pihlaja > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:11 PM > To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop > > > Richard, > > Since the rope loop was in the galley cabinet, my guess would be a trivet to > set under a hot pot. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Kroposki" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop > > > > Richard: > > Send picture, 3-D if you will. > > Ed K > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard and Sherry Day" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:24 PM > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop > > > > > > > When I purchased my used boat among the misc. items under the sink was a > > > loop of hemp rope. The braided rope is thick (2") making a loop (6" in > > > dia.) banded together by a thin steel ring with the two ends frayed. I > am > > > at a loss as to what the purpose of this rope loop is for. Would it be > > > nothing but a novelty item or does it have a meaningful purpose? Does > > > anyone have any idea what this is for? Thank you, Richard Day > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > _______________________________________ > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 01:18:47 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Robert Quinn) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:18:47 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop References: Message-ID: <00eb01c239ba$2b6959a0$70d5fea9@S0027165926> I still like the suggestion that it is the connecting piece to a mooring ball. I looked at a mooring ball earlier today and it is connected to the ring on the top of the ball by another ring holding a heavy duty "hemp type" loop. Bob on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard and Sherry Day" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:36 PM Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop > Hi Roger, It might be a little big, as in rope size thickness, to be used > as a trivet, but your guess is as good as mine. I can at least give some > explanations as to what this is when asked. Thanks, R. Day > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Roger Pihlaja > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:11 PM > To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop > > > Richard, > > Since the rope loop was in the galley cabinet, my guess would be a trivet to > set under a hot pot. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Kroposki" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop > > > > Richard: > > Send picture, 3-D if you will. > > Ed K > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard and Sherry Day" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:24 PM > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop > > > > > > > When I purchased my used boat among the misc. items under the sink was a > > > loop of hemp rope. The braided rope is thick (2") making a loop (6" in > > > dia.) banded together by a thin steel ring with the two ends frayed. I > am > > > at a loss as to what the purpose of this rope loop is for. Would it be > > > nothing but a novelty item or does it have a meaningful purpose? Does > > > anyone have any idea what this is for? Thank you, Richard Day > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > _______________________________________ > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 02:30:03 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Richard and Sherry Day) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:30:03 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop In-Reply-To: <000901c239ae$77095bf0$052aa8c0@rik> Message-ID: Actually quite a crafty idea...I could use it for framing a picture of me and my first mate. She'll like the idea that it could represent the "knot that never breaks" ........although, if it's really a remnant from a mooring line it will remind me of all the times I've come in hot and heavy to the dock assisted by a tail wind and about ripped the back half of the boat off, not to mention elongating my arms the length of Shaq O'Neal's. I can put this thing to good use! Thanks, R.Day -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Rik Sandberg Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:55 PM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop Hmm, sounds like a rope monkey (instead of a brass monkey) PO wasn't a bowler by any chance???? :-) Beginnings of a picture frame???? Rik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard and Sherry Day" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 5:36 PM Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop > Hi Roger, It might be a little big, as in rope size thickness, to be used > as a trivet, but your guess is as good as mine. I can at least give some > explanations as to what this is when asked. Thanks, R. Day > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Roger Pihlaja > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:11 PM > To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop > > > Richard, > > Since the rope loop was in the galley cabinet, my guess would be a trivet to > set under a hot pot. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Kroposki" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop > > > > Richard: > > Send picture, 3-D if you will. > > Ed K > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard and Sherry Day" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:24 PM > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop > > > > > > > When I purchased my used boat among the misc. items under the sink was a > > > loop of hemp rope. The braided rope is thick (2") making a loop (6" in > > > dia.) banded together by a thin steel ring with the two ends frayed. I > am > > > at a loss as to what the purpose of this rope loop is for. Would it be > > > nothing but a novelty item or does it have a meaningful purpose? Does > > > anyone have any idea what this is for? Thank you, Richard Day > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > _______________________________________ > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > _______________________________________ Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 02:36:17 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Richard and Sherry Day) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 20:36:17 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop In-Reply-To: <00eb01c239ba$2b6959a0$70d5fea9@S0027165926> Message-ID: In my mind's eye I can see that this closely resembles what you describe. Thank you for your input, this has been driving me crazy not knowing what the heck this is. Richard -----Original Message----- From: rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Robert Quinn Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:19 PM To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop I still like the suggestion that it is the connecting piece to a mooring ball. I looked at a mooring ball earlier today and it is connected to the ring on the top of the ball by another ring holding a heavy duty "hemp type" loop. Bob on the "NoKaOi" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard and Sherry Day" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:36 PM Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop > Hi Roger, It might be a little big, as in rope size thickness, to be used > as a trivet, but your guess is as good as mine. I can at least give some > explanations as to what this is when asked. Thanks, R. Day > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org > [mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Roger Pihlaja > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:11 PM > To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop > > > Richard, > > Since the rope loop was in the galley cabinet, my guess would be a trivet to > set under a hot pot. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Kroposki" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop > > > > Richard: > > Send picture, 3-D if you will. > > Ed K > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard and Sherry Day" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:24 PM > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rope loop > > > > > > > When I purchased my used boat among the misc. items under the sink was a > > > loop of hemp rope. The braided rope is thick (2") making a loop (6" in > > > dia.) banded together by a thin steel ring with the two ends frayed. I > am > > > at a loss as to what the purpose of this rope loop is for. Would it be > > > nothing but a novelty item or does it have a meaningful purpose? Does > > > anyone have any idea what this is for? Thank you, Richard Day > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > _______________________________________ > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > _______________________________________ Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 03:06:52 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Dennis J Sitler) Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 22:06:52 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Brakes Question References: <004a01c2380e$d0bc63a0$76df7941@oemcomputer> <00ce01c23823$b0f8c760$34f820c0@ix1x1000> Message-ID: <00d501c239c9$4562ae60$76df7941@oemcomputer> Hi Michael, Thanks for the phone numbers. I called today and talked to them. They said if I was from PA and my trailer was registered there and I was going through or in my case taking the boat to the bay and dropping it off, there would be no problem. Another thanks to you for all the work and time you have put on this list. A site for the Rhodies by a Rhodie! Denny, 1974 R22 Gossamer Wing Berwick, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Meltzer To: Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Brakes Question > MVA Telephone Directory > To speak to a customer service representative, please call > 1-800-950-1MVA (1-800-950-1682) > from 8:00am to 5:00pm weekdays, and Saturday 8:00 am to 12:00 pm. > If you are calling from out of state the phone number is 301-729-4550. > > Fax on Demand > 1-410-424-3050 > > For 24-hour-a-day recorded information regarding the MVA: > 1-800-638-8347 > > For Vehicle Services: > 1-800-248-4160 > > Customer assistance for the hearing impaired: > 1-800-492-4575 > > Motorcycle Safety Program: > 1-800-638-1722 > > Vehicle Emissions Inspection Program: > 1-800-638-8347 > > For fail to appear/fail to pay fine suspension information: > (410) 787-2942 > > For information regarding reinstatement procedures after a license > suspension or revocation: > (410) 768-7361 > > For consumer problems with a new or used car dealership: > (410) 768-7536 > > Insurance Compliance Division (vehicle insurance information): > 1-888-768-7431 > > DARS (Direct Access of Records System): > (410) 768-7035 > > Registration Renewal by phone: > 1-888-834-7344 > > To schedule a driving test: > 1-888-212-4709 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis J Sitler" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 5:19 PM > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Brakes Question > From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 05:19:00 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:19:00 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question References: <1a1.6342bb2.2a7a7f05@aol.com> Message-ID: <021901c239db$bb1805d0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0214_01C239BA.32E11FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sounds like a great guy, I tell you one thing, it sound like who every = wrote it never towed a boat. So he has a "trophy" wife, makes the mind = wonder :-) MJM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: SVTRITON@aol.com=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question now now michael,=20 you have realize how things are done here in the peoples democratic = republic of maryland....it was vetoed because there wasnt enough money = for him in it...plus he was probably preoccupied with his new wife of = less than half his age and his out of wedlock conceived child......hope = this clears it up=20 tom=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0214_01C239BA.32E11FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sounds like a great guy, I tell you one = thing, it=20 sound like who every wrote it never towed a boat. So he has a "trophy" = wife,=20 makes the mind wonder :-)

MJM

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you have realize how things are done here in the peoples = democratic=20 republic of maryland....it was vetoed because there wasnt enough money = for him=20 in it...plus he was probably preoccupied with his new wife of less = than half=20 his age and his out of wedlock conceived child......hope this clears = it up=20
tom ------=_NextPart_000_0214_01C239BA.32E11FB0-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 05:22:34 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:22:34 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question References: <008901c23912$e171a070$0b01a8c0@mjm2> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801080714.00b61780@mail1.netreach.net> Message-ID: <021d01c239dc$3a67e170$0b01a8c0@mjm2> Well trailer brakes are a sad subject, never seen a set last long, same goes for the jacks, it seems rust will get them first. I would have been happy with some stat that show surge breaks have an higher ancients rate. but from what I read it seem knowonw knew the subject. MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lou Troy" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > Michael, > The article I saw mentioned that but evidently most of the discussion prior > to the veto had to do with the fact that they (the MD administration) > didn't want to approve something not approved by the Federal Dept. of > Transportation. I suspect that the Fed. DOT doesn't even get into > recreational vehicles. I can understand why they might not want to have > surge brakes on a semi. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. > There are an awful lot of boats on trailers in MD. Don't know if the > BOAT/US legislative group is monitoring but they've been effective in > lobbying in the past. > > Mary Lou > > > At 12:22 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >I read the veto, get this, it because they do not work when you back > >up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > >MJM > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Michael Meltzer" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 12:21 AM > >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ed Kroposki" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 11:53 PM > > > Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rick, Dennis, > > > > What is the reason for making surge brakes on > > > > trailers illegal? Does that include all brakes on trailers? What about > > > > those state that require brakes on trailers carry specified weights? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ed K > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Dennis J Sitler" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 8:24 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rick, > > > > > I would be interested in what they might have to say, if it isn't too > > > much > > > > > trouble for you. My plans are to get my boat sailable for this fall up > > > > here, > > > > > and do more work on it and rebuild the trailer over winter. I hope to > > > take > > > > > it down to the bay next spring to spend weekends there. I have seen > >boat > > > > > trailers with surge brakes, but I don't recall any with electric. I > >was > > > > > planning to get stainless steel disk brakes with a new surge unit. I > >am > > > > > planning on calling the MVA and getting information from them when I > >get > > > a > > > > > chance, maybe tomorrow. Appreciate any help,and thanks. > > > > > > > > > > Denny, > > > > > 1974 R22 Gossamer Wing > > > > > Berwick, PA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Rick Redmond > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:12 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denny, > > > > > > > > > > > > I just saw this article in a magazine about Chesapeake Bay boating. > > > So > > > > > its > > > > > > is true. Check with your local police to see if MD can enforce > >their > > > > law > > > > > on > > > > > > trailers that are registered and tagged in other states. If you > >like, > > > I > > > > > > could check with my local MD State Police Barracks to see how they > >are > > > > > going > > > > > > to enforce this law. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rick Redmond > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Dennis J Sitler" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 7:38 PM > > > > > > Subject: [rhodes-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a question to Rhodies in the Chesapeake Bay area. A friend > > > who > > > > > has > > > > > > a > > > > > > > boat in the upper bay told me that the Governor of Maryland signed > >a > > > > law > > > > > > > into effect making surge brakes illegal in the state. He also said > > > > that > > > > > > the > > > > > > > fine was like $500 or more. Supposedly the law was for trucks but > >as > > > > it > > > > > > > turned out it ended up including boat trailers. I need to put > >brakes > > > > on > > > > > my > > > > > > > trailer after I get my boat done ( whenever that happens). Since I > > > > live > > > > > in > > > > > > > PA but want to sail on the bay this is a concern to me and > >possibly > > > > the > > > > > > rest > > > > > > > of you. I have a dual axle trailer that in PA if registered over > > > 3000 > > > > > > pounds > > > > > > > needs brakes on all 4 wheels to pass inspection. I was going to > >put > > > 4 > > > > > disk > > > > > > > brakes and a new surge unit on it. I think this is the ideal setup > > > for > > > > > > this > > > > > > > type trailer. I could use any information on this situation before > >I > > > > > spend > > > > > > > money on something that won't be legal where I want to use it. Any > > > > help > > > > > > will > > > > > > > be appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denny, > > > > > > > 1974 R22 Gossamer Wing > > > > > > > Berwick, PA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > ** 6 of 197 list members have joined SailPerks ** > > > > > > > SailPerks save you money while supporting this List. > > > > > > > Visit http://www.sailnet.com/sailperks/ for details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10% off all Bluewater Sails Ordered in July! > > > > > > > Order any AirForce Bluewater sail during the > > > > > > > month of July and get a 10% discount. > > > > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/airforce/options_quoter/index.cfm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rhodes-list is brought to you by SailNet, Where Sailors Get > >It! > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: rhodes-list-unsubscribe@sailnet.net > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: rhodes-list-help@sailnet.net > > > > > > > This message is part of thread number 13988. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ** 6 of 197 list members have joined SailPerks ** > > > > > > SailPerks save you money while supporting this List. > > > > > > Visit http://www.sailnet.com/sailperks/ for details. > > > > > > > > > > > > 10% off all Bluewater Sails Ordered in July! 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http://www.rhodes22.org > > > >_______________________________________ > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 05:24:25 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:24:25 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Brakes Question References: <004a01c2380e$d0bc63a0$76df7941@oemcomputer> <00ce01c23823$b0f8c760$34f820c0@ix1x1000> <00d501c239c9$4562ae60$76df7941@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <024501c239dc$7c6afd50$0b01a8c0@mjm2> your welcome, figured it was the safest move. MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis J Sitler" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Brakes Question > Hi Michael, > Thanks for the phone numbers. I called today and talked to them. They said > if I was from PA and my trailer was registered there and I was going through > or in my case taking the boat to the bay and dropping it off, there would be > no problem. > > Another thanks to you for all the work and time you have put on this list. A > site for the Rhodies by a Rhodie! > > Denny, > 1974 R22 Gossamer Wing > Berwick, PA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Meltzer > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 7:49 PM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > MVA Telephone Directory > > To speak to a customer service representative, please call > > 1-800-950-1MVA (1-800-950-1682) > > from 8:00am to 5:00pm weekdays, and Saturday 8:00 am to 12:00 pm. > > If you are calling from out of state the phone number is 301-729-4550. > > > > Fax on Demand > > 1-410-424-3050 > > > > For 24-hour-a-day recorded information regarding the MVA: > > 1-800-638-8347 > > > > For Vehicle Services: > > 1-800-248-4160 > > > > Customer assistance for the hearing impaired: > > 1-800-492-4575 > > > > Motorcycle Safety Program: > > 1-800-638-1722 > > > > Vehicle Emissions Inspection Program: > > 1-800-638-8347 > > > > For fail to appear/fail to pay fine suspension information: > > (410) 787-2942 > > > > For information regarding reinstatement procedures after a license > > suspension or revocation: > > (410) 768-7361 > > > > For consumer problems with a new or used car dealership: > > (410) 768-7536 > > > > Insurance Compliance Division (vehicle insurance information): > > 1-888-768-7431 > > > > DARS (Direct Access of Records System): > > (410) 768-7035 > > > > Registration Renewal by phone: > > 1-888-834-7344 > > > > To schedule a driving test: > > 1-888-212-4709 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dennis J Sitler" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 5:19 PM > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Brakes Question > > > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 05:25:35 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:25:35 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up Message-ID: <025201c239dc$a6883d50$0b01a8c0@mjm2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_024F_01C239BB.1E72C1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable :-) :-) :-), I got an other set of system to be worked on(Not the list = this time :-) MJM ------=_NextPart_000_024F_01C239BB.1E72C1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

:-) :-) :-), I got an other set of = system to be=20 worked on(Not the list this time :-)

MJM

------=_NextPart_000_024F_01C239BB.1E72C1E0-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 05:40:30 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 23:40:30 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up In-Reply-To: <025201c239dc$a6883d50$0b01a8c0@mjm2> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801234003.00a80a98@rea-alp.com> --=====================_3650278==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Yeah, I'm up, what you got in mind???? Rik At 12:25 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >:-) :-) :-), I got an other set of system to be worked on(Not the list >this time :-) > >MJM --=====================_3650278==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Yeah, I'm up, what you got in mind????

Rik

At 12:25 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:

:-) :-) :-), I got an other set of system to be worked on(Not the list this time :-)

MJM

--=====================_3650278==_.ALT-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 05:37:32 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (ellner) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 23:37:32 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up In-Reply-To: <025201c239dc$a6883d50$0b01a8c0@mjm2> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.1.20020801233526.01bf4360@pop.pressenter.com> >Michael: don't you & Rik EVER sleep??? (I'm only up 'cuz I'm trying to >get logistics worked out for our sailboat jaunt down to Lake Pepin this >weekend) ((as in, wish us luck in remembering to ask the bridge at >Prescott to raise, or we'll be back in the power boat >category!!)) Thanks for all your work with the list! mary From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 05:38:06 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:38:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801234003.00a80a98@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <029201c239de$669ea0b0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_028F_01C239BC.DE785C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do know, been work the last 38 of 48 hours. starting to get punch :-) = got any good jokes MJM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up Yeah, I'm up, what you got in mind???? Rik At 12:25 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: :-) :-) :-), I got an other set of system to be worked on(Not the = list this time :-) =20 MJM ------=_NextPart_000_028F_01C239BC.DE785C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I do know, been work the last 38 of 48 = hours.=20 starting to get punch :-) got any good jokes

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik=20 Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 = 12:40=20 AM

Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So = any one=20 up

Yeah, I'm up, what you got in = mind????

Rik

At=20 12:25 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:

:-) :-)=20 :-), I got an other set of system to be worked on(Not the list this = time=20 :-)

MJM

------=_NextPart_000_028F_01C239BC.DE785C60-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 05:40:51 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:40:51 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New R22 Owner References: Message-ID: <029e01c239de$c8150960$0b01a8c0@mjm2> You might want to send him a message directly, he sent it with out being on the list, I let it go though and send him a message to sign up, I never saw him sign up today, OTOH it would not have taken much to miss it MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bracknell, Keith" To: Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 3:34 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New R22 Owner > I just bought an 88 Reliant. I'm based out of Old Saybrook, CT. Can anyone > tell me what the three plugs at the base and top of the mast are. Two of the > plugs have two prongs and one of them have one prong. > > I'm also trying to install a VHF antenna, Shakespeare 36" 5215 CX that comes > with 60' of Coax. Anyone will to share experience a through the cabin roof > fitting? Or is there a simpler way to install the cable. > > Keith > > > > LEGAL NOTICE > Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. Access to this E-mail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure or copying of the contents of this E-mail or any action taken (or not taken) in reliance on it is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, please inform the sender immediately. > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 05:42:37 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:42:37 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up References: <5.0.0.25.1.20020801233526.01bf4360@pop.pressenter.com> Message-ID: <02a401c239df$07f8a0a0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> The only time I need sleep is when thier is house work to be done :-) Thier will be enought time for sleep when I am dead :-) MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: "ellner" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > >Michael: don't you & Rik EVER sleep??? (I'm only up 'cuz I'm trying to > >get logistics worked out for our sailboat jaunt down to Lake Pepin this > >weekend) ((as in, wish us luck in remembering to ask the bridge at > >Prescott to raise, or we'll be back in the power boat > >category!!)) Thanks for all your work with the list! mary > > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 05:47:57 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (ellner) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 23:47:57 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801234003.00a80a98@rea-alp.com> References: <025201c239dc$a6883d50$0b01a8c0@mjm2> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.1.20020801234542.01bfc748@pop.pressenter.com> Rik: As long as you ARE up; when are the sprint car races??? Seems to me they were mid-August.....and.....if that is the case, what is the name of the town that Buffalo River Speedway is near?? mary (getting ready to fend off the mayflies in Lake Pepin) ((and thanking Vic & Tom for their advice on same!!) From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 05:56:38 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 23:56:38 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up In-Reply-To: <029201c239de$669ea0b0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801234003.00a80a98@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801235253.00ae7c58@rea-alp.com> --=====================_4618390==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Michael, Unfortunately, most of the joke I get come off of this list and There's a good chance you sent them. So I ain't goin'' to be able to help much there. Besides even most of the funniest jokes I have ever heard, I can't recall a day or so after I've heard them. Not much help, eh??? Yeah sleep after your dead, that sounds about right to me :-) :-) have lots of extra time then :-) Rik At 12:38 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I do know, been work the last 38 of 48 hours. starting to get punch :-) >got any good jokes > >MJM >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rik Sandberg >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:40 AM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > >Yeah, I'm up, what you got in mind???? > >Rik > > > >At 12:25 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>:-) :-) :-), I got an other set of system to be worked on(Not the list >>this time :-) >> >>MJM --=====================_4618390==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Michael,

Unfortunately, most of the joke I get come off of this list and There's a good chance you sent them. So I ain't goin'' to be able to help much there. Besides even most of the funniest jokes I have ever heard, I can't recall a day or so after I've heard them. Not much help, eh???

Yeah sleep after your dead, that sounds about right to me :-) :-) have lots of extra time then :-)

Rik

At 12:38 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:

I do know, been work the last 38 of 48 hours. starting to get punch :-) got any good jokes

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up

Yeah, I'm up, what you got in mind????

Rik

At 12:25 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:

:-) :-) :-), I got an other set of system to be worked on(Not the list this time :-)

MJM

--=====================_4618390==_.ALT-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 05:54:56 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 00:54:56 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801234003.00a80a98@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801235253.00ae7c58@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <02f401c239e0$c064bc40$0b01a8c0@mjm2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02F1_01C239BF.385B27B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And at that point do you care :-) That reminds me of one :-) I have heard that 99% of the people who are constantpated do not give a = shit. MJM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up Michael, Unfortunately, most of the joke I get come off of this list and = There's a good chance you sent them. So I ain't goin'' to be able to = help much there. Besides even most of the funniest jokes I have ever = heard, I can't recall a day or so after I've heard them. Not much help, = eh??? Yeah sleep after your dead, that sounds about right to me :-) :-) have = lots of extra time then :-) Rik At 12:38 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: I do know, been work the last 38 of 48 hours. starting to get punch = :-) got any good jokes =20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:40 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up Yeah, I'm up, what you got in mind???? Rik At 12:25 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: :-) :-) :-), I got an other set of system to be worked on(Not = the list this time :-)=20 =20 MJM ------=_NextPart_000_02F1_01C239BF.385B27B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

And at that point do you care = :-)

That reminds me of one :-)

I have heard that 99% of the people who = are=20 constantpated do not give a shit.

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik=20 Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 = 12:56=20 AM

Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So = any one=20 up

Michael,

Unfortunately, most of the joke I get = come off=20 of this list and There's a good chance you sent them. So I ain't = goin'' to be=20 able to help much there. Besides even most of the funniest jokes I = have ever=20 heard, I can't recall a day or so after I've heard them. Not much = help,=20 eh???

Yeah sleep after your dead, that sounds about right to me = :-) :-)=20 have lots of extra time then :-)

Rik

At 12:38 AM = 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:

I do=20 know, been work the last 38 of 48 hours. starting to get punch :-) = got any=20 good jokes

MJM=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:40 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up

Yeah, I'm up, what you got in mind????

Rik

At 12:25 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:

:-) :-) :-), I got an other set of system to be worked = on(Not the=20 list this time :-)=20
=20 =
MJM

------=_NextPart_000_02F1_01C239BF.385B27B0-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 05:57:31 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (ellner) Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 23:57:31 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up In-Reply-To: <02a401c239df$07f8a0a0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> References: <5.0.0.25.1.20020801233526.01bf4360@pop.pressenter.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.1.20020801235539.01c17df8@pop.pressenter.com> Michael------will have to remember that ------ enough time to sleep when dead :) :) (but come on now; those girls of yours aren't old enough to be helping with house work.....:) :) :) maryAt 12:42 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >The only time I need sleep is when thier is house work to be done :-) Thier >will be enought time for sleep when I am dead :-) > >MJM >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ellner" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:37 AM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > >Michael: don't you & Rik EVER sleep??? (I'm only up 'cuz I'm trying to > > >get logistics worked out for our sailboat jaunt down to Lake Pepin this > > >weekend) ((as in, wish us luck in remembering to ask the bridge at > > >Prescott to raise, or we'll be back in the power boat > > >category!!)) Thanks for all your work with the list! mary > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > >_______________________________________ >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 06:08:01 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 00:08:01 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.1.20020801234542.01bfc748@pop.pressenter.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801234003.00a80a98@rea-alp.com> <025201c239dc$a6883d50$0b01a8c0@mjm2> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020802000130.00a04590@rea-alp.com> Mary, Our next sprint car race is on the 18th of August. Buffalo River Speedway is located about 3 miles east of Glyndon, MN at the intersection of US Highway 10 and MN highway 9. If you are going west on highway 10, the 13 mile marker post is directly in front of the place. Wish we could join you at Pepin. Had we not got such a late start this season, we would have been taking this weekend off. Let us know if you want to do something on the first weekend of August next summer. If things go even halfway normal next year we will have an open date then and surely a desire to go jump on the boat. Rik At 11:47 PM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: > Rik: As long as you ARE up; when are the sprint car races??? Seems to > me they were mid-August.....and.....if that is the case, what is the name > of the town that Buffalo River Speedway is near?? mary (getting > ready to fend off the mayflies in Lake Pepin) ((and thanking Vic & Tom > for their advice on same!!) > > >_______________________________________ >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 06:09:17 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 00:09:17 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up In-Reply-To: <029201c239de$669ea0b0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801234003.00a80a98@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801235830.00aabc10@rea-alp.com> --=====================_5376961==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hey, how many computers have you got there anyway????? Or, are you able to do some of this upgrading or whatever one calls this, to computers at other locations by remote over the net or something???? just curious Rik At 12:38 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I do know, been work the last 38 of 48 hours. starting to get punch :-) >got any good jokes > >MJM >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rik Sandberg >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:40 AM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > >Yeah, I'm up, what you got in mind???? > >Rik > > > >At 12:25 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>:-) :-) :-), I got an other set of system to be worked on(Not the list >>this time :-) >> >>MJM --=====================_5376961==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hey, how many computers have you got there anyway????? Or, are you able to do some of this upgrading or whatever one calls this, to computers at other locations by remote over the net or something????

just curious
Rik

At 12:38 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:

I do know, been work the last 38 of 48 hours. starting to get punch :-) got any good jokes

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up

Yeah, I'm up, what you got in mind????

Rik

At 12:25 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:

:-) :-) :-), I got an other set of system to be worked on(Not the list this time :-)

MJM

--=====================_5376961==_.ALT-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 06:03:31 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:03:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up References: <5.0.0.25.1.20020801233526.01bf4360@pop.pressenter.com> <5.0.0.25.1.20020801235539.01c17df8@pop.pressenter.com> Message-ID: <030201c239e1$f2d3b220$0b01a8c0@mjm2> do not be so sure of that, remember my wife runs the house with Germany efficacy, last I heard it cost me 5$ a week to pay my 7 year old to make the beds. An other cute story is last weekend the kid where talking about the school bus and wife was giving them the story of how she had to walk 10km thought the snow to get to school :-) MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: "ellner" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > Michael------will have to remember that ------ enough time to sleep when > dead :) :) (but come on now; those girls of yours aren't old enough to be > helping with house work.....:) :) :) maryAt 12:42 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, > you wrote: > >The only time I need sleep is when thier is house work to be done :-) Thier > >will be enought time for sleep when I am dead :-) > > > >MJM > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "ellner" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:37 AM > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > >Michael: don't you & Rik EVER sleep??? (I'm only up 'cuz I'm trying to > > > >get logistics worked out for our sailboat jaunt down to Lake Pepin this > > > >weekend) ((as in, wish us luck in remembering to ask the bridge at > > > >Prescott to raise, or we'll be back in the power boat > > > >category!!)) Thanks for all your work with the list! mary > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > >_______________________________________ > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 06:06:02 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (ellner) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 00:06:02 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020802000130.00a04590@rea-alp.com> References: <5.0.0.25.1.20020801234542.01bfc748@pop.pressenter.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801234003.00a80a98@rea-alp.com> <025201c239dc$a6883d50$0b01a8c0@mjm2> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.1.20020802000400.01c31300@pop.pressenter.com> Rik: Pepin next year sounds good about this time......we just found out at our family reunion last weekend that our niece & god daughter will be getting married the weekend of Kentucky Lake 2003......have you been getting a whole LOT of water up at the speedway??? maryAt 12:08 AM 8/2/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Mary, > >Our next sprint car race is on the 18th of August. Buffalo River Speedway >is located about 3 miles east of Glyndon, MN at the intersection of US >Highway 10 and MN highway 9. If you are going west on highway 10, the 13 >mile marker post is directly in front of the place. > >Wish we could join you at Pepin. Had we not got such a late start this >season, we would have been taking this weekend off. Let us know if you >want to do something on the first weekend of August next summer. If things >go even halfway normal next year we will have an open date then and surely >a desire to go jump on the boat. > >Rik > > > > >At 11:47 PM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: >> Rik: As long as you ARE up; when are the sprint car races??? Seems to >> me they were mid-August.....and.....if that is the case, what is the >> name of the town that Buffalo River Speedway is >> near?? mary (getting ready to fend off the mayflies in Lake >> Pepin) ((and thanking Vic & Tom for their advice on same!!) >> >> >>_______________________________________ >>Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link >>http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our >>FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >>http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > >_______________________________________ >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 06:15:08 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 00:15:08 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up In-Reply-To: <030201c239e1$f2d3b220$0b01a8c0@mjm2> References: <5.0.0.25.1.20020801233526.01bf4360@pop.pressenter.com> <5.0.0.25.1.20020801235539.01c17df8@pop.pressenter.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020802001214.00aa1800@rea-alp.com> Well she might not be pulling there legs if she's not trying to get them to believe it was uphill both ways :-) :-) Or, how about the old outhouse stories, We've heard lots of those over the years. Rik At 01:03 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >do not be so sure of that, remember my wife runs the house with Germany >efficacy, last I heard it cost me 5$ a week to pay my 7 year old to make the >beds. An other cute story is last weekend the kid where talking about the >school bus and wife was giving them the story of how she had to walk 10km >thought the snow to get to school :-) > >MJM >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ellner" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:57 AM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > Michael------will have to remember that ------ enough time to sleep when > > dead :) :) (but come on now; those girls of yours aren't old enough to be > > helping with house work.....:) :) :) maryAt 12:42 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, > > you wrote: > > >The only time I need sleep is when thier is house work to be done :-) >Thier > > >will be enought time for sleep when I am dead :-) > > > > > >MJM > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "ellner" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:37 AM > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Michael: don't you & Rik EVER sleep??? (I'm only up 'cuz I'm trying >to > > > > >get logistics worked out for our sailboat jaunt down to Lake Pepin >this > > > > >weekend) ((as in, wish us luck in remembering to ask the bridge at > > > > >Prescott to raise, or we'll be back in the power boat > > > > >category!!)) Thanks for all your work with the list! mary > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > >_______________________________________ >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 06:11:02 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (ellner) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 00:11:02 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up In-Reply-To: <02f401c239e0$c064bc40$0b01a8c0@mjm2> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801234003.00a80a98@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801235253.00ae7c58@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.1.20020802000852.01c2dda8@pop.pressenter.com> --=====================_8360984==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>> Good Night you guys!!! (don't know how you can 'pull' these 'all >>> nighters') At least the weather has 'broken' here & we can sleep with >>> the windows open again! 'night all!! mary --=====================_8360984==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"

Good Night you guys!!! (don't know how you can 'pull' these 'all nighters') At least the weather has 'broken' here & we can sleep with the windows open again! 'night all!! mary

--=====================_8360984==_.ALT-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 06:14:23 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:14:23 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801234003.00a80a98@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801235830.00aabc10@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <031601c239e3$77f883d0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0313_01C239C1.EFF5F420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 17 servers for work(sun's, linux and freebsd) another 10+- boxes for = firewall,routers and networks, 3 tarbyes disk, about 12 dozen pc windows = box but I will rally touch them. At home 2 sun's 3 pc, and 3 server-in peices, about 1 tabyes in disk The funny thing I am not the system admin, just the only programmer who = knows what he is doing. MJM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up Hey, how many computers have you got there anyway????? Or, are you = able to do some of this upgrading or whatever one calls this, to = computers at other locations by remote over the net or something???? just curious Rik At 12:38 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: I do know, been work the last 38 of 48 hours. starting to get punch = :-) got any good jokes =20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:40 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up Yeah, I'm up, what you got in mind???? Rik At 12:25 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: :-) :-) :-), I got an other set of system to be worked on(Not = the list this time :-)=20 =20 MJM ------=_NextPart_000_0313_01C239C1.EFF5F420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

17 servers for work(sun's, linux and=20 freebsd) another 10+- boxes for firewall,routers and networks, 3 = tarbyes=20 disk, about 12 dozen pc windows box but I will rally touch = them.

At home 2 sun's 3 pc, and 3 server-in = peices, about=20 1 tabyes in disk

The funny thing I am not the system = admin, just the=20 only programmer who knows what he is doing.

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik=20 Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 = 1:09=20 AM

Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So = any one=20 up

Hey, how many computers have you got there anyway????? = Or, are=20 you able to do some of this upgrading or whatever one calls this, to = computers=20 at other locations by remote over the net or something????

just = curious
Rik

At 12:38 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you = wrote:

I do=20 know, been work the last 38 of 48 hours. starting to get punch :-) = got any=20 good jokes

MJM=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:40 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up

Yeah, I'm up, what you got in mind????

Rik

At 12:25 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:

:-) :-) :-), I got an other set of system to be worked = on(Not the=20 list this time :-)=20
=20 =
MJM

------=_NextPart_000_0313_01C239C1.EFF5F420-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 06:20:32 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 00:20:32 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.1.20020802000400.01c31300@pop.pressenter.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020802000130.00a04590@rea-alp.com> <5.0.0.25.1.20020801234542.01bfc748@pop.pressenter.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801234003.00a80a98@rea-alp.com> <025201c239dc$a6883d50$0b01a8c0@mjm2> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020802001705.00aed2f8@rea-alp.com> Mary, Yeah, actually we have had an inordinate amount of rain. Fortunately, so far none of it has hurt us much. We have only had one rain out so far (since finally opening) this season. And that one was not so bad cause we knew we were rained out by 7 in the morning. Don't waste a lot of stuff and labor getting ready then. Rik At 12:06 AM 8/2/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Rik: Pepin next year sounds good about this time......we just found out >at our family reunion last weekend that our niece & god daughter will be >getting married the weekend of Kentucky Lake 2003......have you been >getting a whole LOT of water up at the speedway??? maryAt 12:08 AM >8/2/2002 -0500, you wrote: >>Mary, >> >>Our next sprint car race is on the 18th of August. Buffalo River Speedway >>is located about 3 miles east of Glyndon, MN at the intersection of US >>Highway 10 and MN highway 9. If you are going west on highway 10, the 13 >>mile marker post is directly in front of the place. >> >>Wish we could join you at Pepin. Had we not got such a late start this >>season, we would have been taking this weekend off. Let us know if you >>want to do something on the first weekend of August next summer. If >>things go even halfway normal next year we will have an open date then >>and surely a desire to go jump on the boat. >> >>Rik >> >> >> >> >>At 11:47 PM 8/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: >>> Rik: As long as you ARE up; when are the sprint car races??? Seems >>> to me they were mid-August.....and.....if that is the case, what is the >>> name of the town that Buffalo River Speedway is >>> near?? mary (getting ready to fend off the mayflies in Lake >>> Pepin) ((and thanking Vic & Tom for their advice on same!!) >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________ >>>Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link >>>http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our >>>FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >>>http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org >> >>_______________________________________ >>Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link >>http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our >>FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >>http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > >_______________________________________ >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 06:17:12 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:17:12 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up References: <5.0.0.25.1.20020801233526.01bf4360@pop.pressenter.com> <5.0.0.25.1.20020801235539.01c17df8@pop.pressenter.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802001214.00aa1800@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <032001c239e3$dc6c4e00$0b01a8c0@mjm2> she had plubimg, it seems that you have to pay for the school bus thier and her mother did not thing she was worth it, but she did pay for the bother. BTW, I forgot to mention I can work everything from home, execpt touch them. MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Sandberg" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > Well she might not be pulling there legs if she's not trying to get them to > believe it was uphill both ways :-) :-) > > Or, how about the old outhouse stories, We've heard lots of those over the > years. > > > Rik > > > > At 01:03 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >do not be so sure of that, remember my wife runs the house with Germany > >efficacy, last I heard it cost me 5$ a week to pay my 7 year old to make the > >beds. An other cute story is last weekend the kid where talking about the > >school bus and wife was giving them the story of how she had to walk 10km > >thought the snow to get to school :-) > > > >MJM > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "ellner" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:57 AM > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > Michael------will have to remember that ------ enough time to sleep when > > > dead :) :) (but come on now; those girls of yours aren't old enough to be > > > helping with house work.....:) :) :) maryAt 12:42 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, > > > you wrote: > > > >The only time I need sleep is when thier is house work to be done :-) > >Thier > > > >will be enought time for sleep when I am dead :-) > > > > > > > >MJM > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "ellner" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:37 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Michael: don't you & Rik EVER sleep??? (I'm only up 'cuz I'm trying > >to > > > > > >get logistics worked out for our sailboat jaunt down to Lake Pepin > >this > > > > > >weekend) ((as in, wish us luck in remembering to ask the bridge at > > > > > >Prescott to raise, or we'll be back in the power boat > > > > > >category!!)) Thanks for all your work with the list! mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > >_______________________________________ > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 06:27:17 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 00:27:17 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up In-Reply-To: <031601c239e3$77f883d0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801234003.00a80a98@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801235830.00aabc10@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020802002506.00af78c0@rea-alp.com> --=====================_6457325==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Damn, that's big But, that begs the question, why would they have programmers that don't know how to program. That doesn't seem like real smart business :-) Rik At 01:14 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >17 servers for work(sun's, linux and freebsd) another 10+- boxes for >firewall,routers and networks, 3 tarbyes disk, about 12 dozen pc windows >box but I will rally touch them. > >At home 2 sun's 3 pc, and 3 server-in peices, about 1 tabyes in disk > >The funny thing I am not the system admin, just the only programmer who >knows what he is doing. > >MJM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rik Sandberg >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:09 AM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > >Hey, how many computers have you got there anyway????? Or, are you able to >do some of this upgrading or whatever one calls this, to computers at >other locations by remote over the net or something???? > >just curious >Rik > > > > > >At 12:38 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>I do know, been work the last 38 of 48 hours. starting to get punch :-) >>got any good jokes >> >>MJM >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Rik Sandberg >>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:40 AM >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up >> >>Yeah, I'm up, what you got in mind???? >> >>Rik >> >> >> >> >> >>At 12:25 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>:-) :-) :-), I got an other set of system to be worked on(Not the list >>>this time :-) >>>MJM --=====================_6457325==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Damn, that's big

But, that begs the question, why would they have programmers that don't know how to program. That doesn't seem like real smart business :-)

Rik

At 01:14 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:

17 servers for work(sun's, linux and freebsd) another 10+- boxes for firewall,routers and networks, 3 tarbyes disk, about 12 dozen pc windows box but I will rally touch them.

At home 2 sun's 3 pc, and 3 server-in peices, about 1 tabyes in disk

The funny thing I am not the system admin, just the only programmer who knows what he is doing.

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up

Hey, how many computers have you got there anyway????? Or, are you able to do some of this upgrading or whatever one calls this, to computers at other locations by remote over the net or something????

just curious
Rik

At 12:38 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:

I do know, been work the last 38 of 48 hours. starting to get punch :-) got any good jokes

MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up

Yeah, I'm up, what you got in mind????

Rik

At 12:25 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:

:-) :-) :-), I got an other set of system to be worked on(Not the list this time :-)
MJM

--=====================_6457325==_.ALT-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 06:31:59 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 00:31:59 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up In-Reply-To: <032001c239e3$dc6c4e00$0b01a8c0@mjm2> References: <5.0.0.25.1.20020801233526.01bf4360@pop.pressenter.com> <5.0.0.25.1.20020801235539.01c17df8@pop.pressenter.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802001214.00aa1800@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020802002958.00afed58@rea-alp.com> Hey, being able to do it from the house has got to be a big plus. At least when you get too tired to navigate anymore, it ain't far to bed. How far do you really live from work, how long does it take to get there??? Rik At 01:17 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >she had plubimg, it seems that you have to pay for the school bus thier and >her mother did not thing she was worth it, but she did pay for the bother. > >BTW, I forgot to mention I can work everything from home, execpt touch them. > >MJM >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rik Sandberg" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:15 AM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > Well she might not be pulling there legs if she's not trying to get them >to > > believe it was uphill both ways :-) :-) > > > > Or, how about the old outhouse stories, We've heard lots of those over the > > years. > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > At 01:03 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > >do not be so sure of that, remember my wife runs the house with Germany > > >efficacy, last I heard it cost me 5$ a week to pay my 7 year old to make >the > > >beds. An other cute story is last weekend the kid where talking about the > > >school bus and wife was giving them the story of how she had to walk 10km > > >thought the snow to get to school :-) > > > > > >MJM > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "ellner" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:57 AM > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > Michael------will have to remember that ------ enough time to sleep >when > > > > dead :) :) (but come on now; those girls of yours aren't old enough >to be > > > > helping with house work.....:) :) :) maryAt 12:42 AM >8/2/2002 -0400, > > > > you wrote: > > > > >The only time I need sleep is when thier is house work to be done :-) > > >Thier > > > > >will be enought time for sleep when I am dead :-) > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "ellner" > > > > >To: > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:37 AM > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Michael: don't you & Rik EVER sleep??? (I'm only up 'cuz I'm >trying > > >to > > > > > > >get logistics worked out for our sailboat jaunt down to Lake >Pepin > > >this > > > > > > >weekend) ((as in, wish us luck in remembering to ask the bridge >at > > > > > > >Prescott to raise, or we'll be back in the power boat > > > > > > >category!!)) Thanks for all your work with the list! >mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this >link > > > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out >our > > > > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this >link > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > _______________________________________ > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > >_______________________________________ >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 06:26:58 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:26:58 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801234003.00a80a98@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801235830.00aabc10@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802002506.00af78c0@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <034501c239e5$39a8e820$0b01a8c0@mjm2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0342_01C239C3.B1E92DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable belive it or not it is a small shop. They teach alot of coumputer cource in college, so you can find = programmer cheap and easy, but theu never let them "touch" the computer, = execprty the big stuff servers. so you find programmer who have never = touched the OS and are scrared shit less of them. MJM ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:27 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up Damn, that's big But, that begs the question, why would they have programmers that = don't know how to program. That doesn't seem like real smart business = :-) Rik At 01:14 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: 17 servers for work(sun's, linux and freebsd) another 10+- boxes for = firewall,routers and networks, 3 tarbyes disk, about 12 dozen pc windows = box but I will rally touch them. =20 At home 2 sun's 3 pc, and 3 server-in peices, about 1 tabyes in disk =20 The funny thing I am not the system admin, just the only programmer = who knows what he is doing. =20 MJM =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:09 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up Hey, how many computers have you got there anyway????? Or, are you = able to do some of this upgrading or whatever one calls this, to = computers at other locations by remote over the net or something???? just curious=20 Rik At 12:38 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: I do know, been work the last 38 of 48 hours. starting to get = punch :-) got any good jokes=20 =20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:40 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up Yeah, I'm up, what you got in mind???? Rik At 12:25 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 :-) :-) :-), I got an other set of system to be worked on(Not = the list this time :-)=20 MJM ------=_NextPart_000_0342_01C239C3.B1E92DD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

belive it or not it is a small = shop.

They teach alot of coumputer cource in = college, so=20 you can find programmer cheap and easy, but theu never let them "touch" = the=20 computer, execprty the big stuff servers. so you find programmer who = have never=20 touched the OS and are scrared shit less of them.

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik=20 Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 = 1:27=20 AM

Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So = any one=20 up

Damn, that's big

But, that begs the question, = why would=20 they have programmers that don't know how to program. That doesn't = seem like=20 real smart business :-)

Rik

At 01:14 AM 8/2/2002 = -0400, you=20 wrote:

17=20 servers for work(sun's, linux and freebsd) another 10+- boxes for=20 firewall,routers and networks, 3 tarbyes disk, about 12 dozen pc = windows box=20 but I will rally touch them.

At=20 home 2 sun's 3 pc, and 3 server-in peices, about 1 tabyes in=20 disk

The funny thing = I am not=20 the system admin, just the only programmer who knows what he is=20 doing.

MJM

=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:09 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up

Hey, how many computers have you got there anyway????? Or, are = you=20 able to do some of this upgrading or whatever one calls this, to = computers=20 at other locations by remote over the net or something????

just curious=20
Rik

At 12:38 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:

I do know, been work the last 38 of 48 hours. starting to = get punch=20 :-) got any good jokes=20
=20
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:40 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up

Yeah, I'm up, what you got in mind????

Rik

At 12:25 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

:-) :-) :-), I got an other set of system to be worked = on(Not the=20 list this time :-) =
MJM
=

------=_NextPart_000_0342_01C239C3.B1E92DD0-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 06:33:54 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:33:54 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up References: <5.0.0.25.1.20020801233526.01bf4360@pop.pressenter.com> <5.0.0.25.1.20020801235539.01c17df8@pop.pressenter.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802001214.00aa1800@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802002958.00afed58@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <035401c239e6$314ebbe0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> it a double edged sword, you end up with a lot of "huny can you do this" and before you know it half the day is goen. take 1 hour on the train plus an other 1/2 to and from the station, about the same amount of time if I would drive. BTW, I have a bed in the city to, The "boss" thought it was always a good ide that I had a place to stay, what a nice guy :-) MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Sandberg" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > Hey, being able to do it from the house has got to be a big plus. At least > when you get too tired to navigate anymore, it ain't far to bed. How far do > you really live from work, how long does it take to get there??? > > Rik > > > At 01:17 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >she had plubimg, it seems that you have to pay for the school bus thier and > >her mother did not thing she was worth it, but she did pay for the bother. > > > >BTW, I forgot to mention I can work everything from home, execpt touch them. > > > >MJM > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Rik Sandberg" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:15 AM > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > Well she might not be pulling there legs if she's not trying to get them > >to > > > believe it was uphill both ways :-) :-) > > > > > > Or, how about the old outhouse stories, We've heard lots of those over the > > > years. > > > > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:03 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > >do not be so sure of that, remember my wife runs the house with Germany > > > >efficacy, last I heard it cost me 5$ a week to pay my 7 year old to make > >the > > > >beds. An other cute story is last weekend the kid where talking about the > > > >school bus and wife was giving them the story of how she had to walk 10km > > > >thought the snow to get to school :-) > > > > > > > >MJM > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "ellner" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:57 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael------will have to remember that ------ enough time to sleep > >when > > > > > dead :) :) (but come on now; those girls of yours aren't old enough > >to be > > > > > helping with house work.....:) :) :) maryAt 12:42 AM > >8/2/2002 -0400, > > > > > you wrote: > > > > > >The only time I need sleep is when thier is house work to be done :-) > > > >Thier > > > > > >will be enought time for sleep when I am dead :-) > > > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: "ellner" > > > > > >To: > > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:37 AM > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Michael: don't you & Rik EVER sleep??? (I'm only up 'cuz I'm > >trying > > > >to > > > > > > > >get logistics worked out for our sailboat jaunt down to Lake > >Pepin > > > >this > > > > > > > >weekend) ((as in, wish us luck in remembering to ask the bridge > >at > > > > > > > >Prescott to raise, or we'll be back in the power boat > > > > > > > >category!!)) Thanks for all your work with the list! > >mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this > >link > > > > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out > >our > > > > > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > > > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this > >link > > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > > > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > >_______________________________________ > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 06:42:09 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 00:42:09 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up In-Reply-To: <034501c239e5$39a8e820$0b01a8c0@mjm2> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801234003.00a80a98@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801235830.00aabc10@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802002506.00af78c0@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020802003625.00afeea0@rea-alp.com> --=====================_7349427==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I guess having a large network of computers is a little mind boggleing to me. At our business we have a little (old) server and and 3 pc's. Seems like whenever anything goes wrong it is rarely the server, but one of the pc's locked up for some reason. Hardly ever have to mess with the server. Don't even know if I could remember how to reboot the darn thing. I think it's still dos. Rik At 01:26 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >belive it or not it is a small shop. > >They teach alot of coumputer cource in college, so you can find programmer >cheap and easy, but theu never let them "touch" the computer, execprty the >big stuff servers. so you find programmer who have never touched the OS >and are scrared shit less of them. > >MJM >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rik Sandberg >To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:27 AM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > >Damn, that's big > >But, that begs the question, why would they have programmers that don't >know how to program. That doesn't seem like real smart business :-) > >Rik > > > >At 01:14 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>17 servers for work(sun's, linux and freebsd) another 10+- boxes for >>firewall,routers and networks, 3 tarbyes disk, about 12 dozen pc windows >>box but I will rally touch them. >> >>At home 2 sun's 3 pc, and 3 server-in peices, about 1 tabyes in disk >> >>The funny thing I am not the system admin, just the only programmer who >>knows what he is doing. >> >>MJM >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Rik Sandberg >>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:09 AM >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up >> >>Hey, how many computers have you got there anyway????? Or, are you able >>to do some of this upgrading or whatever one calls this, to computers at >>other locations by remote over the net or something???? >> >>just curious >>Rik >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>At 12:38 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>I do know, been work the last 38 of 48 hours. starting to get punch :-) >>>got any good jokes >>>MJM >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Rik Sandberg >>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:40 AM >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up >>> >>>Yeah, I'm up, what you got in mind???? >>> >>>Rik >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>At 12:25 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>:-) :-) :-), I got an other set of system to be worked on(Not the list >>>>this time :-) >>>>MJM --=====================_7349427==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I guess having a large network of computers is a little mind boggleing to me. At our business we have a little (old) server and and 3 pc's. Seems like whenever anything goes wrong it is rarely the server, but one of the pc's locked up for some reason. Hardly ever have to mess with the server. Don't even know if I could remember how to reboot the darn thing. I think it's still dos.

Rik

At 01:26 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:

belive it or not it is a small shop.

They teach alot of coumputer cource in college, so you can find programmer cheap and easy, but theu never let them "touch" the computer, execprty the big stuff servers. so you find programmer who have never touched the OS and are scrared shit less of them.

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up

Damn, that's big

But, that begs the question, why would they have programmers that don't know how to program. That doesn't seem like real smart business :-)

Rik

At 01:14 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:

17 servers for work(sun's, linux and freebsd) another 10+- boxes for firewall,routers and networks, 3 tarbyes disk, about 12 dozen pc windows box but I will rally touch them.

At home 2 sun's 3 pc, and 3 server-in peices, about 1 tabyes in disk

The funny thing I am not the system admin, just the only programmer who knows what he is doing.

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up

Hey, how many computers have you got there anyway????? Or, are you able to do some of this upgrading or whatever one calls this, to computers at other locations by remote over the net or something????

just curious
Rik

At 12:38 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:

I do know, been work the last 38 of 48 hours. starting to get punch :-) got any good jokes
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rik Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up

Yeah, I'm up, what you got in mind????

Rik

At 12:25 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:

:-) :-) :-), I got an other set of system to be worked on(Not the list this time :-)
MJM

--=====================_7349427==_.ALT-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 06:42:33 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:42:33 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020801234003.00a80a98@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020801235830.00aabc10@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802002506.00af78c0@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802003625.00afeea0@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <036c01c239e7$67321800$0b01a8c0@mjm2> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0369_01C239C5.DEEF4B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hay if does what you want that all that counts. It not a large, it just a lot of redunantecy 24x7 system. MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up I guess having a large network of computers is a little mind boggleing = to me. At our business we have a little (old) server and and 3 pc's. = Seems like whenever anything goes wrong it is rarely the server, but one = of the pc's locked up for some reason. Hardly ever have to mess with the = server. Don't even know if I could remember how to reboot the darn = thing. I think it's still dos. Rik At 01:26 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: belive it or not it is a small shop. =20 They teach alot of coumputer cource in college, so you can find = programmer cheap and easy, but theu never let them "touch" the computer, = execprty the big stuff servers. so you find programmer who have never = touched the OS and are scrared shit less of them. =20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:27 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up Damn, that's big But, that begs the question, why would they have programmers that = don't know how to program. That doesn't seem like real smart business = :-) Rik At 01:14 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: 17 servers for work(sun's, linux and freebsd) another 10+- boxes = for firewall,routers and networks, 3 tarbyes disk, about 12 dozen pc = windows box but I will rally touch them.=20 =20 At home 2 sun's 3 pc, and 3 server-in peices, about 1 tabyes in = disk=20 =20 The funny thing I am not the system admin, just the only = programmer who knows what he is doing.=20 =20 MJM=20 =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:09 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up Hey, how many computers have you got there anyway????? Or, are = you able to do some of this upgrading or whatever one calls this, to = computers at other locations by remote over the net or something???? just curious=20 Rik At 12:38 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 I do know, been work the last 38 of 48 hours. starting to get = punch :-) got any good jokes=20 MJM=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rik Sandberg=20 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20 Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:40 AM=20 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up Yeah, I'm up, what you got in mind???? Rik At 12:25 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20 :-) :-) :-), I got an other set of system to be worked = on(Not the list this time :-)=20 MJM ------=_NextPart_000_0369_01C239C5.DEEF4B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

hay if does what you want that all that = counts.

It not a large, it just a lot of = redunantecy 24x7=20 system.

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rik=20 Sandberg
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=

Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 = 1:42=20 AM

Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So = any one=20 up

I guess having a large network of computers is a little = mind=20 boggleing to me. At our business we have a little (old) server and and = 3 pc's.=20 Seems like whenever anything goes wrong it is rarely the server, but = one of=20 the pc's locked up for some reason. Hardly ever have to mess with the = server.=20 Don't even know if I could remember how to reboot the darn thing. I = think it's=20 still dos.

Rik

At 01:26 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you = wrote:

belive it=20 or not it is a small shop.

They=20 teach alot of coumputer cource in college, so you can find = programmer cheap=20 and easy, but theu never let them "touch" the computer, execprty the = big=20 stuff servers. so you find programmer who have never touched the OS = and are=20 scrared shit less of them.

MJM=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:27 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up

Damn, that's big

But, that begs the question, why would they have programmers = that=20 don't know how to program. That doesn't seem like real smart = business=20 :-)

Rik

At 01:14 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:

17 servers for work(sun's, linux and freebsd) another 10+- = boxes for=20 firewall,routers and networks, 3 tarbyes disk, about 12 dozen pc = windows=20 box but I will rally touch them.=20
=20
At home 2 sun's 3 pc, and 3 server-in peices, about 1 tabyes = in=20 disk=20
=20
The funny thing I am not the system admin, just the only = programmer=20 who knows what he is doing.=20
=20
MJM=20
=20
=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:09 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up

Hey, how many computers have you got there anyway????? Or, = are you=20 able to do some of this upgrading or whatever one calls this, to = computers at other locations by remote over the net or=20 something????

just curious=20
Rik

At 12:38 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

I do know, been work the last 38 of 48 hours. starting to = get=20 punch :-) got any good jokes
MJM=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rik = Sandberg=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org= =20
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:40 AM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up

Yeah, I'm up, what you got in mind????

Rik

At 12:25 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote:=20

:-) :-) :-), I got an other set of system to be worked = on(Not=20 the list this time :-) =
MJM
=

------=_NextPart_000_0369_01C239C5.DEEF4B00-- From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 06:49:33 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 00:49:33 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up In-Reply-To: <035401c239e6$314ebbe0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> References: <5.0.0.25.1.20020801233526.01bf4360@pop.pressenter.com> <5.0.0.25.1.20020801235539.01c17df8@pop.pressenter.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802001214.00aa1800@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802002958.00afed58@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020802004406.00afe8d8@rea-alp.com> An Hour on the train and a half hour on top of that???? Whoa, No thank you very much. Do a lot of people out there commute that far???? I had a job, years back, that was a 45 mile drive one way. Swore that I'd never do that again. Now its about 2 miles to work maybe a little less and I can drive it in about two minutes and walk it (if I want) in about 20 minutes. Yeah, I know about the bed thing. Used to have one of those on the back of my truck :-) Rik At 01:33 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >it a double edged sword, you end up with a lot of "huny can you do this" and >before you know it half the day is goen. take 1 hour on the train plus an >other 1/2 to and from the station, about the same amount of time if I would >drive. > >BTW, I have a bed in the city to, The "boss" thought it was always a good >ide that I had a place to stay, what a nice guy :-) > >MJM >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rik Sandberg" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:31 AM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > Hey, being able to do it from the house has got to be a big plus. At least > > when you get too tired to navigate anymore, it ain't far to bed. How far >do > > you really live from work, how long does it take to get there??? > > > > Rik > > > > > > At 01:17 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > >she had plubimg, it seems that you have to pay for the school bus thier >and > > >her mother did not thing she was worth it, but she did pay for the >bother. > > > > > >BTW, I forgot to mention I can work everything from home, execpt touch >them. > > > > > >MJM > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Rik Sandberg" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:15 AM > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > Well she might not be pulling there legs if she's not trying to get >them > > >to > > > > believe it was uphill both ways :-) :-) > > > > > > > > Or, how about the old outhouse stories, We've heard lots of those over >the > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:03 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >do not be so sure of that, remember my wife runs the house with >Germany > > > > >efficacy, last I heard it cost me 5$ a week to pay my 7 year old to >make > > >the > > > > >beds. An other cute story is last weekend the kid where talking about >the > > > > >school bus and wife was giving them the story of how she had to walk >10km > > > > >thought the snow to get to school :-) > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "ellner" > > > > >To: > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:57 AM > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael------will have to remember that ------ enough time to >sleep > > >when > > > > > > dead :) :) (but come on now; those girls of yours aren't old >enough > > >to be > > > > > > helping with house work.....:) :) :) maryAt 12:42 AM > > >8/2/2002 -0400, > > > > > > you wrote: > > > > > > >The only time I need sleep is when thier is house work to be done >:-) > > > > >Thier > > > > > > >will be enought time for sleep when I am dead :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >From: "ellner" > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:37 AM > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Michael: don't you & Rik EVER sleep??? (I'm only up 'cuz >I'm > > >trying > > > > >to > > > > > > > > >get logistics worked out for our sailboat jaunt down to Lake > > >Pepin > > > > >this > > > > > > > > >weekend) ((as in, wish us luck in remembering to ask the >bridge > > >at > > > > > > > > >Prescott to raise, or we'll be back in the power boat > > > > > > > > >category!!)) Thanks for all your work with the list! > > >mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on >this > > >link > > > > > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check >out > > >our > > > > > > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > > > > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this > > >link > > > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out >our > > > > > > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this >link > > > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out >our > > > > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this >link > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > _______________________________________ > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > >_______________________________________ >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 06:51:44 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 01:51:44 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up References: <5.0.0.25.1.20020801233526.01bf4360@pop.pressenter.com> <5.0.0.25.1.20020801235539.01c17df8@pop.pressenter.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802001214.00aa1800@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802002958.00afed58@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802004406.00afe8d8@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <037e01c239e8$afac5d60$0b01a8c0@mjm2> It the price for Karin/kids to have trees and flowers. 1000 parking space get filled every day at the station. I used to live in the city but it no place to raise the kids. Ny is a big place, take about 1/2 just to clear the city line. 1 hour is about standard. MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Sandberg" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:49 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > An Hour on the train and a half hour on top of that???? Whoa, No thank you > very much. Do a lot of people out there commute that far???? > > I had a job, years back, that was a 45 mile drive one way. Swore that I'd > never do that again. Now its about 2 miles to work maybe a little less and > I can drive it in about two minutes and walk it (if I want) in about 20 > minutes. > > Yeah, I know about the bed thing. Used to have one of those on the back of > my truck :-) > > Rik > > > > At 01:33 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >it a double edged sword, you end up with a lot of "huny can you do this" and > >before you know it half the day is goen. take 1 hour on the train plus an > >other 1/2 to and from the station, about the same amount of time if I would > >drive. > > > >BTW, I have a bed in the city to, The "boss" thought it was always a good > >ide that I had a place to stay, what a nice guy :-) > > > >MJM > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Rik Sandberg" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:31 AM > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > Hey, being able to do it from the house has got to be a big plus. At least > > > when you get too tired to navigate anymore, it ain't far to bed. How far > >do > > > you really live from work, how long does it take to get there??? > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > At 01:17 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > >she had plubimg, it seems that you have to pay for the school bus thier > >and > > > >her mother did not thing she was worth it, but she did pay for the > >bother. > > > > > > > >BTW, I forgot to mention I can work everything from home, execpt touch > >them. > > > > > > > >MJM > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Rik Sandberg" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:15 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well she might not be pulling there legs if she's not trying to get > >them > > > >to > > > > > believe it was uphill both ways :-) :-) > > > > > > > > > > Or, how about the old outhouse stories, We've heard lots of those over > >the > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:03 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > >do not be so sure of that, remember my wife runs the house with > >Germany > > > > > >efficacy, last I heard it cost me 5$ a week to pay my 7 year old to > >make > > > >the > > > > > >beds. An other cute story is last weekend the kid where talking about > >the > > > > > >school bus and wife was giving them the story of how she had to walk > >10km > > > > > >thought the snow to get to school :-) > > > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: "ellner" > > > > > >To: > > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:57 AM > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael------will have to remember that ------ enough time to > >sleep > > > >when > > > > > > > dead :) :) (but come on now; those girls of yours aren't old > >enough > > > >to be > > > > > > > helping with house work.....:) :) :) maryAt 12:42 AM > > > >8/2/2002 -0400, > > > > > > > you wrote: > > > > > > > >The only time I need sleep is when thier is house work to be done > >:-) > > > > > >Thier > > > > > > > >will be enought time for sleep when I am dead :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > >From: "ellner" > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:37 AM > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Michael: don't you & Rik EVER sleep??? (I'm only up 'cuz > >I'm > > > >trying > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > > >get logistics worked out for our sailboat jaunt down to Lake > > > >Pepin > > > > > >this > > > > > > > > > >weekend) ((as in, wish us luck in remembering to ask the > >bridge > > > >at > > > > > > > > > >Prescott to raise, or we'll be back in the power boat > > > > > > > > > >category!!)) Thanks for all your work with the list! > > > >mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address > >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on > >this > > > >link > > > > > > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check > >out > > > >our > > > > > > > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > > > > > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this > > > >link > > > > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out > >our > > > > > > > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this > >link > > > > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out > >our > > > > > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > > > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this > >link > > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > > > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > >_______________________________________ > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 07:17:42 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 01:17:42 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up In-Reply-To: <037e01c239e8$afac5d60$0b01a8c0@mjm2> References: <5.0.0.25.1.20020801233526.01bf4360@pop.pressenter.com> <5.0.0.25.1.20020801235539.01c17df8@pop.pressenter.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802001214.00aa1800@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802002958.00afed58@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802004406.00afe8d8@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020802010704.00aa33a8@rea-alp.com> Never been to NYC proper. Was out to Newark once and it seemed like it took forever to get in and out of there. The burbs seem to stretch out and out and out....... Lived in Mpls for about 6 months once and I have spent more than my share of time in Chicago (only the worst neighborhoods though) so I do know what big cities are like somewhat and yeah, I sure as hell wouldn't want to raise my kids in Chicago proper. What a dump. Not so bad along the lake shore though. But as a trucker, you never get to go to those parts of town. I don't suppose NY is a whole lot different. Everybody rushing around all the time and constantly pissed off. No room to hardly move without bumping into somebody. I don't know how you all take that crowding all the time. We may not make the money out in the country, but sometimes I think it's worth it. Rik At 01:51 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >It the price for Karin/kids to have trees and flowers. 1000 parking space >get filled every day at the station. I used to live in the city but it no >place to raise the kids. Ny is a big place, take about 1/2 just to clear the >city line. 1 hour is about standard. > >MJM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rik Sandberg" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:49 AM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > An Hour on the train and a half hour on top of that???? Whoa, No thank you > > very much. Do a lot of people out there commute that far???? > > > > I had a job, years back, that was a 45 mile drive one way. Swore that I'd > > never do that again. Now its about 2 miles to work maybe a little less and > > I can drive it in about two minutes and walk it (if I want) in about 20 > > minutes. > > > > Yeah, I know about the bed thing. Used to have one of those on the back of > > my truck :-) > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > At 01:33 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > >it a double edged sword, you end up with a lot of "huny can you do this" >and > > >before you know it half the day is goen. take 1 hour on the train plus an > > >other 1/2 to and from the station, about the same amount of time if I >would > > >drive. > > > > > >BTW, I have a bed in the city to, The "boss" thought it was always a good > > >ide that I had a place to stay, what a nice guy :-) > > > > > >MJM > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Rik Sandberg" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:31 AM > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > Hey, being able to do it from the house has got to be a big plus. At >least > > > > when you get too tired to navigate anymore, it ain't far to bed. How >far > > >do > > > > you really live from work, how long does it take to get there??? > > > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:17 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >she had plubimg, it seems that you have to pay for the school bus >thier > > >and > > > > >her mother did not thing she was worth it, but she did pay for the > > >bother. > > > > > > > > > >BTW, I forgot to mention I can work everything from home, execpt >touch > > >them. > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Rik Sandberg" > > > > >To: > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:15 AM > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well she might not be pulling there legs if she's not trying to >get > > >them > > > > >to > > > > > > believe it was uphill both ways :-) :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Or, how about the old outhouse stories, We've heard lots of those >over > > >the > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:03 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > >do not be so sure of that, remember my wife runs the house with > > >Germany > > > > > > >efficacy, last I heard it cost me 5$ a week to pay my 7 year old >to > > >make > > > > >the > > > > > > >beds. An other cute story is last weekend the kid where talking >about > > >the > > > > > > >school bus and wife was giving them the story of how she had to >walk > > >10km > > > > > > >thought the snow to get to school :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >From: "ellner" > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:57 AM > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael------will have to remember that ------ enough time to > > >sleep > > > > >when > > > > > > > > dead :) :) (but come on now; those girls of yours aren't old > > >enough > > > > >to be > > > > > > > > helping with house work.....:) :) :) maryAt 12:42 AM > > > > >8/2/2002 -0400, > > > > > > > > you wrote: > > > > > > > > >The only time I need sleep is when thier is house work to be >done > > >:-) > > > > > > >Thier > > > > > > > > >will be enought time for sleep when I am dead :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > >From: "ellner" > > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:37 AM > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Michael: don't you & Rik EVER sleep??? (I'm only up >'cuz > > >I'm > > > > >trying > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > > > >get logistics worked out for our sailboat jaunt down to >Lake > > > > >Pepin > > > > > > >this > > > > > > > > > > >weekend) ((as in, wish us luck in remembering to ask the > > >bridge > > > > >at > > > > > > > > > > >Prescott to raise, or we'll be back in the power boat > > > > > > > > > > >category!!)) Thanks for all your work with the list! > > > > >mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address > > >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click >on > > >this > > > > >link > > > > > > > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >Check > > >out > > > > >our > > > > > > > > > > FAQ pages at >http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > > > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > > > > > > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on >this > > > > >link > > > > > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check >out > > >our > > > > > > > > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! 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http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 07:23:30 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 02:23:30 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up References: <5.0.0.25.1.20020801233526.01bf4360@pop.pressenter.com> <5.0.0.25.1.20020801235539.01c17df8@pop.pressenter.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802001214.00aa1800@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802002958.00afed58@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802004406.00afe8d8@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802010704.00aa33a8@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <038701c239ed$1f696b30$0b01a8c0@mjm2> what can I say, it normal for me :-) the family is all around here, long island, Stain island, North Jerry's, Nother Phila, md and washington. Just a east coast type of guy. MJM It not do bad, use to work in ct, took 1 hours to go 15 miles to work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Sandberg" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:17 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > Never been to NYC proper. Was out to Newark once and it seemed like it took > forever to get in and out of there. The burbs seem to stretch out and out > and out....... > > Lived in Mpls for about 6 months once and I have spent more than my share > of time in Chicago (only the worst neighborhoods though) so I do know what > big cities are like somewhat and yeah, I sure as hell wouldn't want to > raise my kids in Chicago proper. What a dump. Not so bad along the lake > shore though. But as a trucker, you never get to go to those parts of town. > I don't suppose NY is a whole lot different. Everybody rushing around all > the time and constantly pissed off. No room to hardly move without bumping > into somebody. > > I don't know how you all take that crowding all the time. We may not make > the money out in the country, but sometimes I think it's worth it. > > Rik > > > At 01:51 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >It the price for Karin/kids to have trees and flowers. 1000 parking space > >get filled every day at the station. I used to live in the city but it no > >place to raise the kids. Ny is a big place, take about 1/2 just to clear the > >city line. 1 hour is about standard. > > > >MJM > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Rik Sandberg" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:49 AM > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > An Hour on the train and a half hour on top of that???? Whoa, No thank you > > > very much. Do a lot of people out there commute that far???? > > > > > > I had a job, years back, that was a 45 mile drive one way. Swore that I'd > > > never do that again. Now its about 2 miles to work maybe a little less and > > > I can drive it in about two minutes and walk it (if I want) in about 20 > > > minutes. > > > > > > Yeah, I know about the bed thing. Used to have one of those on the back of > > > my truck :-) > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:33 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > >it a double edged sword, you end up with a lot of "huny can you do this" > >and > > > >before you know it half the day is goen. take 1 hour on the train plus an > > > >other 1/2 to and from the station, about the same amount of time if I > >would > > > >drive. > > > > > > > >BTW, I have a bed in the city to, The "boss" thought it was always a good > > > >ide that I had a place to stay, what a nice guy :-) > > > > > > > >MJM > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Rik Sandberg" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:31 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, being able to do it from the house has got to be a big plus. At > >least > > > > > when you get too tired to navigate anymore, it ain't far to bed. How > >far > > > >do > > > > > you really live from work, how long does it take to get there??? > > > > > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:17 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > >she had plubimg, it seems that you have to pay for the school bus > >thier > > > >and > > > > > >her mother did not thing she was worth it, but she did pay for the > > > >bother. > > > > > > > > > > > >BTW, I forgot to mention I can work everything from home, execpt > >touch > > > >them. > > > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: "Rik Sandberg" > > > > > >To: > > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:15 AM > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well she might not be pulling there legs if she's not trying to > >get > > > >them > > > > > >to > > > > > > > believe it was uphill both ways :-) :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or, how about the old outhouse stories, We've heard lots of those > >over > > > >the > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:03 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > > >do not be so sure of that, remember my wife runs the house with > > > >Germany > > > > > > > >efficacy, last I heard it cost me 5$ a week to pay my 7 year old > >to > > > >make > > > > > >the > > > > > > > >beds. An other cute story is last weekend the kid where talking > >about > > > >the > > > > > > > >school bus and wife was giving them the story of how she had to > >walk > > > >10km > > > > > > > >thought the snow to get to school :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > >From: "ellner" > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:57 AM > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael------will have to remember that ------ enough time to > > > >sleep > > > > > >when > > > > > > > > > dead :) :) (but come on now; those girls of yours aren't old > > > >enough > > > > > >to be > > > > > > > > > helping with house work.....:) :) :) maryAt 12:42 AM > > > > > >8/2/2002 -0400, > > > > > > > > > you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >The only time I need sleep is when thier is house work to be > >done > > > >:-) > > > > > > > >Thier > > > > > > > > > >will be enought time for sleep when I am dead :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > >From: "ellner" > > > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:37 AM > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Michael: don't you & Rik EVER sleep??? (I'm only up > >'cuz > > > >I'm > > > > > >trying > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > > > > >get logistics worked out for our sailboat jaunt down to > >Lake > > > > > >Pepin > > > > > > > >this > > > > > > > > > > > >weekend) ((as in, wish us luck in remembering to ask the > > > >bridge > > > > > >at > > > > > > > > > > > >Prescott to raise, or we'll be back in the power boat > > > > > > > > > > > >category!!)) Thanks for all your work with the list! > > > > > >mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address > > > >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click > >on > > > >this > > > > > >link > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > >Check > > > >out > > > > > >our > > > > > > > > > > > FAQ pages at > >http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > > > > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > > > > > > > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address > >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on > >this > > > > > >link > > > > > > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check > >out > > > >our > > > > > > > > > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > > > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! 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> >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > >_______________________________________ > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 07:32:01 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Steve Alm) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 01:32:01 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up In-Reply-To: <038701c239ed$1f696b30$0b01a8c0@mjm2> Message-ID: When I first moved to Baltimore, in 1980, my car was broken into the first week! Slim On 8/2/02 1:23 AM, "Michael Meltzer" wrote: > what can I say, it normal for me :-) the family is all around here, long > island, Stain island, North Jerry's, Nother Phila, md and washington. Just a > east coast type of guy. > > MJM > > It not do bad, use to work in ct, took 1 hours to go 15 miles to work. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rik Sandberg" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > >> Never been to NYC proper. Was out to Newark once and it seemed like it > took >> forever to get in and out of there. The burbs seem to stretch out and out >> and out....... >> >> Lived in Mpls for about 6 months once and I have spent more than my share >> of time in Chicago (only the worst neighborhoods though) so I do know what >> big cities are like somewhat and yeah, I sure as hell wouldn't want to >> raise my kids in Chicago proper. What a dump. Not so bad along the lake >> shore though. But as a trucker, you never get to go to those parts of > town. >> I don't suppose NY is a whole lot different. Everybody rushing around all >> the time and constantly pissed off. No room to hardly move without bumping >> into somebody. >> >> I don't know how you all take that crowding all the time. We may not make >> the money out in the country, but sometimes I think it's worth it. >> >> Rik >> >> >> At 01:51 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>> It the price for Karin/kids to have trees and flowers. 1000 parking space >>> get filled every day at the station. I used to live in the city but it no >>> place to raise the kids. Ny is a big place, take about 1/2 just to clear > the >>> city line. 1 hour is about standard. >>> >>> MJM >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Rik Sandberg" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:49 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up >>> >>> >>>> An Hour on the train and a half hour on top of that???? Whoa, No thank > you >>>> very much. Do a lot of people out there commute that far???? >>>> >>>> I had a job, years back, that was a 45 mile drive one way. Swore that > I'd >>>> never do that again. Now its about 2 miles to work maybe a little less > and >>>> I can drive it in about two minutes and walk it (if I want) in about > 20 >>>> minutes. >>>> >>>> Yeah, I know about the bed thing. Used to have one of those on the > back of >>>> my truck :-) >>>> >>>> Rik >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> At 01:33 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>> it a double edged sword, you end up with a lot of "huny can you do > this" >>> and >>>>> before you know it half the day is goen. take 1 hour on the train > plus an >>>>> other 1/2 to and from the station, about the same amount of time if I >>> would >>>>> drive. >>>>> >>>>> BTW, I have a bed in the city to, The "boss" thought it was always a > good >>>>> ide that I had a place to stay, what a nice guy :-) >>>>> >>>>> MJM >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Rik Sandberg" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:31 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hey, being able to do it from the house has got to be a big plus. > At >>> least >>>>>> when you get too tired to navigate anymore, it ain't far to bed. > How >>> far >>>>> do >>>>>> you really live from work, how long does it take to get there??? >>>>>> >>>>>> Rik >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> At 01:17 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>> she had plubimg, it seems that you have to pay for the school bus >>> thier >>>>> and >>>>>>> her mother did not thing she was worth it, but she did pay for > the >>>>> bother. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BTW, I forgot to mention I can work everything from home, execpt >>> touch >>>>> them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> MJM >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Rik Sandberg" >>>>>>> To: >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:15 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well she might not be pulling there legs if she's not trying > to >>> get >>>>> them >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> believe it was uphill both ways :-) :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Or, how about the old outhouse stories, We've heard lots of > those >>> over >>>>> the >>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rik >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At 01:03 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> do not be so sure of that, remember my wife runs the house > with >>>>> Germany >>>>>>>>> efficacy, last I heard it cost me 5$ a week to pay my 7 year > old >>> to >>>>> make >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> beds. An other cute story is last weekend the kid where > talking >>> about >>>>> the >>>>>>>>> school bus and wife was giving them the story of how she had > to >>> walk >>>>> 10km >>>>>>>>> thought the snow to get to school :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> MJM >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "ellner" >>>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:57 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Michael------will have to remember that ------ enough time > to >>>>> sleep >>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>> dead :) :) (but come on now; those girls of yours aren't > old >>>>> enough >>>>>>> to be >>>>>>>>>> helping with house work.....:) :) :) maryAt 12:42 AM >>>>>>> 8/2/2002 -0400, >>>>>>>>>> you wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> The only time I need sleep is when thier is house work to > be >>> done >>>>> :-) >>>>>>>>> Thier >>>>>>>>>>> will be enought time for sleep when I am dead :-) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> MJM >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: "ellner" >>>>>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:37 AM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael: don't you & Rik EVER sleep??? (I'm only up >>> 'cuz >>>>> I'm >>>>>>> trying >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> get logistics worked out for our sailboat jaunt down > to >>> Lake >>>>>>> Pepin >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>> weekend) ((as in, wish us luck in remembering to ask > the >>>>> bridge >>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>> Prescott to raise, or we'll be back in the power boat >>>>>>>>>>>>> category!!)) Thanks for all your work with the > list! >>>>>>> mary >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> Subscribers, send mail to this address >>>>> Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>>>>>>>>> To change your options or unsubscribe from the list > click >>> on >>>>> this >>>>>>> link >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> Check >>>>> out >>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>> FAQ pages at >>> http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! >>>>>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> Subscribers, send mail to this address >>> Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>>>>>>>> To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click > on >>> this >>>>>>> link >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > Check >>> out >>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>> FAQ pages at > http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! 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>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>>> Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>>>> To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this >>> link >>>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out > our >>>>>>> FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >>>>>>> http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! >>> http://www.rhodes22.org >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>> Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>>> To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this > link >>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out > our >>>>>> FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >>>>>> http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! >>> http://www.rhodes22.org >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>> Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>> To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this > link >>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our >>>>> FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >>>>> http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > http://www.rhodes22.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________ >>>> Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>> To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our >>>> FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >>>> http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > http://www.rhodes22.org >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>> To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our >>> FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >>> http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org >> >> _______________________________________ >> Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >> To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our >> FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >> http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 07:34:28 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 02:34:28 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up References: Message-ID: <038f01c239ee$a77fb780$0b01a8c0@mjm2> WO, it took them a week, must have been a good nabborhood :-) MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Alm" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > When I first moved to Baltimore, in 1980, my car was broken into the first > week! > > Slim > > On 8/2/02 1:23 AM, "Michael Meltzer" wrote: > > > what can I say, it normal for me :-) the family is all around here, long > > island, Stain island, North Jerry's, Nother Phila, md and washington. Just a > > east coast type of guy. > > > > MJM > > > > It not do bad, use to work in ct, took 1 hours to go 15 miles to work. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rik Sandberg" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > >> Never been to NYC proper. Was out to Newark once and it seemed like it > > took > >> forever to get in and out of there. The burbs seem to stretch out and out > >> and out....... > >> > >> Lived in Mpls for about 6 months once and I have spent more than my share > >> of time in Chicago (only the worst neighborhoods though) so I do know what > >> big cities are like somewhat and yeah, I sure as hell wouldn't want to > >> raise my kids in Chicago proper. What a dump. Not so bad along the lake > >> shore though. But as a trucker, you never get to go to those parts of > > town. > >> I don't suppose NY is a whole lot different. Everybody rushing around all > >> the time and constantly pissed off. No room to hardly move without bumping > >> into somebody. > >> > >> I don't know how you all take that crowding all the time. We may not make > >> the money out in the country, but sometimes I think it's worth it. > >> > >> Rik > >> > >> > >> At 01:51 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >>> It the price for Karin/kids to have trees and flowers. 1000 parking space > >>> get filled every day at the station. I used to live in the city but it no > >>> place to raise the kids. Ny is a big place, take about 1/2 just to clear > > the > >>> city line. 1 hour is about standard. > >>> > >>> MJM > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Rik Sandberg" > >>> To: > >>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:49 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > >>> > >>> > >>>> An Hour on the train and a half hour on top of that???? Whoa, No thank > > you > >>>> very much. Do a lot of people out there commute that far???? > >>>> > >>>> I had a job, years back, that was a 45 mile drive one way. Swore that > > I'd > >>>> never do that again. Now its about 2 miles to work maybe a little less > > and > >>>> I can drive it in about two minutes and walk it (if I want) in about > > 20 > >>>> minutes. > >>>> > >>>> Yeah, I know about the bed thing. Used to have one of those on the > > back of > >>>> my truck :-) > >>>> > >>>> Rik > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> At 01:33 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >>>>> it a double edged sword, you end up with a lot of "huny can you do > > this" > >>> and > >>>>> before you know it half the day is goen. take 1 hour on the train > > plus an > >>>>> other 1/2 to and from the station, about the same amount of time if I > >>> would > >>>>> drive. > >>>>> > >>>>> BTW, I have a bed in the city to, The "boss" thought it was always a > > good > >>>>> ide that I had a place to stay, what a nice guy :-) > >>>>> > >>>>> MJM > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Rik Sandberg" > >>>>> To: > >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:31 AM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hey, being able to do it from the house has got to be a big plus. > > At > >>> least > >>>>>> when you get too tired to navigate anymore, it ain't far to bed. > > How > >>> far > >>>>> do > >>>>>> you really live from work, how long does it take to get there??? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Rik > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> At 01:17 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >>>>>>> she had plubimg, it seems that you have to pay for the school bus > >>> thier > >>>>> and > >>>>>>> her mother did not thing she was worth it, but she did pay for > > the > >>>>> bother. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> BTW, I forgot to mention I can work everything from home, execpt > >>> touch > >>>>> them. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> MJM > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>> From: "Rik Sandberg" > >>>>>>> To: > >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:15 AM > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Well she might not be pulling there legs if she's not trying > > to > >>> get > >>>>> them > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> believe it was uphill both ways :-) :-) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Or, how about the old outhouse stories, We've heard lots of > > those > >>> over > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>> years. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Rik > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> At 01:03 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >>>>>>>>> do not be so sure of that, remember my wife runs the house > > with > >>>>> Germany > >>>>>>>>> efficacy, last I heard it cost me 5$ a week to pay my 7 year > > old > >>> to > >>>>> make > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> beds. An other cute story is last weekend the kid where > > talking > >>> about > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> school bus and wife was giving them the story of how she had > > to > >>> walk > >>>>> 10km > >>>>>>>>> thought the snow to get to school :-) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> MJM > >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>> From: "ellner" > >>>>>>>>> To: > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:57 AM > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Michael------will have to remember that ------ enough time > > to > >>>>> sleep > >>>>>>> when > >>>>>>>>>> dead :) :) (but come on now; those girls of yours aren't > > old > >>>>> enough > >>>>>>> to be > >>>>>>>>>> helping with house work.....:) :) :) maryAt 12:42 AM > >>>>>>> 8/2/2002 -0400, > >>>>>>>>>> you wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> The only time I need sleep is when thier is house work to > > be > >>> done > >>>>> :-) > >>>>>>>>> Thier > >>>>>>>>>>> will be enought time for sleep when I am dead :-) > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> MJM > >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>>>> From: "ellner" > >>>>>>>>>>> To: > >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:37 AM > >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael: don't you & Rik EVER sleep??? (I'm only up > >>> 'cuz > >>>>> I'm > >>>>>>> trying > >>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>> get logistics worked out for our sailboat jaunt down > > to > >>> Lake > >>>>>>> Pepin > >>>>>>>>> this > >>>>>>>>>>>>> weekend) ((as in, wish us luck in remembering to ask > > the > >>>>> bridge > >>>>>>> at > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Prescott to raise, or we'll be back in the power boat > >>>>>>>>>>>>> category!!)) 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http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 07:41:39 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 01:41:39 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up In-Reply-To: <038701c239ed$1f696b30$0b01a8c0@mjm2> References: <5.0.0.25.1.20020801233526.01bf4360@pop.pressenter.com> <5.0.0.25.1.20020801235539.01c17df8@pop.pressenter.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802001214.00aa1800@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802002958.00afed58@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802004406.00afe8d8@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802010704.00aa33a8@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020802014005.06359ea0@rea-alp.com> Yeah, I guess there are a lot of people that like it, or those cities wouldn't be so big :-) Probably all what you are used to I guess. Just can't get used to it myself. Rik At 02:23 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >what can I say, it normal for me :-) the family is all around here, long >island, Stain island, North Jerry's, Nother Phila, md and washington. Just a >east coast type of guy. > >MJM > >It not do bad, use to work in ct, took 1 hours to go 15 miles to work. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rik Sandberg" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:17 AM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > Never been to NYC proper. Was out to Newark once and it seemed like it >took > > forever to get in and out of there. The burbs seem to stretch out and out > > and out....... > > > > Lived in Mpls for about 6 months once and I have spent more than my share > > of time in Chicago (only the worst neighborhoods though) so I do know what > > big cities are like somewhat and yeah, I sure as hell wouldn't want to > > raise my kids in Chicago proper. What a dump. Not so bad along the lake > > shore though. But as a trucker, you never get to go to those parts of >town. > > I don't suppose NY is a whole lot different. Everybody rushing around all > > the time and constantly pissed off. No room to hardly move without bumping > > into somebody. > > > > I don't know how you all take that crowding all the time. We may not make > > the money out in the country, but sometimes I think it's worth it. > > > > Rik > > > > > > At 01:51 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > >It the price for Karin/kids to have trees and flowers. 1000 parking space > > >get filled every day at the station. I used to live in the city but it no > > >place to raise the kids. Ny is a big place, take about 1/2 just to clear >the > > >city line. 1 hour is about standard. > > > > > >MJM > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Rik Sandberg" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:49 AM > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > An Hour on the train and a half hour on top of that???? Whoa, No thank >you > > > > very much. Do a lot of people out there commute that far???? > > > > > > > > I had a job, years back, that was a 45 mile drive one way. Swore that >I'd > > > > never do that again. Now its about 2 miles to work maybe a little less >and > > > > I can drive it in about two minutes and walk it (if I want) in about >20 > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > Yeah, I know about the bed thing. Used to have one of those on the >back of > > > > my truck :-) > > > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:33 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >it a double edged sword, you end up with a lot of "huny can you do >this" > > >and > > > > >before you know it half the day is goen. take 1 hour on the train >plus an > > > > >other 1/2 to and from the station, about the same amount of time if I > > >would > > > > >drive. > > > > > > > > > >BTW, I have a bed in the city to, The "boss" thought it was always a >good > > > > >ide that I had a place to stay, what a nice guy :-) > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Rik Sandberg" > > > > >To: > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:31 AM > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, being able to do it from the house has got to be a big plus. >At > > >least > > > > > > when you get too tired to navigate anymore, it ain't far to bed. >How > > >far > > > > >do > > > > > > you really live from work, how long does it take to get there??? > > > > > > > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:17 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > >she had plubimg, it seems that you have to pay for the school bus > > >thier > > > > >and > > > > > > >her mother did not thing she was worth it, but she did pay for >the > > > > >bother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >BTW, I forgot to mention I can work everything from home, execpt > > >touch > > > > >them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >From: "Rik Sandberg" > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:15 AM > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well she might not be pulling there legs if she's not trying >to > > >get > > > > >them > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > believe it was uphill both ways :-) :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or, how about the old outhouse stories, We've heard lots of >those > > >over > > > > >the > > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:03 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >do not be so sure of that, remember my wife runs the house >with > > > > >Germany > > > > > > > > >efficacy, last I heard it cost me 5$ a week to pay my 7 year >old > > >to > > > > >make > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > >beds. An other cute story is last weekend the kid where >talking > > >about > > > > >the > > > > > > > > >school bus and wife was giving them the story of how she had >to > > >walk > > > > >10km > > > > > > > > >thought the snow to get to school :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > >From: "ellner" > > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:57 AM > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael------will have to remember that ------ enough time >to > > > > >sleep > > > > > > >when > > > > > > > > > > dead :) :) (but come on now; those girls of yours aren't >old > > > > >enough > > > > > > >to be > > > > > > > > > > helping with house work.....:) :) :) maryAt 12:42 AM > > > > > > >8/2/2002 -0400, > > > > > > > > > > you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >The only time I need sleep is when thier is house work to >be > > >done > > > > >:-) > > > > > > > > >Thier > > > > > > > > > > >will be enought time for sleep when I am dead :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > >From: "ellner" > > > > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:37 AM > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Michael: don't you & Rik EVER sleep??? (I'm only up > > >'cuz > > > > >I'm > > > > > > >trying > > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > > > > > >get logistics worked out for our sailboat jaunt down >to > > >Lake > > > > > > >Pepin > > > > > > > > >this > > > > > > > > > > > > >weekend) ((as in, wish us luck in remembering to ask >the > > > > >bridge > > > > > > >at > > > > > > > > > > > > >Prescott to raise, or we'll be back in the power boat > > > > > > > > > > > > >category!!)) Thanks for all your work with the >list! > > > > > > >mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address > > > > >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list >click > > >on > > > > >this > > > > > > >link > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > >Check > > > > >out > > > > > > >our > > > > > > > > > > > > FAQ pages at > > >http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > > > > > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address > > >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click >on > > >this > > > > > > >link > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >Check > > >out > > > > >our > > > > > > > > > > >FAQ pages at >http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! 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> > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on >this > > >link > > > > > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check >out > > >our > > > > > > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > > > > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this > > >link > > > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out >our > > > > > > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this >link > > > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out >our > > > > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this >link > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > _______________________________________ > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > >_______________________________________ >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 07:41:39 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Steve Alm) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 01:41:39 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up In-Reply-To: <038f01c239ee$a77fb780$0b01a8c0@mjm2> Message-ID: Yeah, that's the funny part. I actually felt pretty safe there. On 8/2/02 1:34 AM, "Michael Meltzer" wrote: > WO, it took them a week, must have been a good nabborhood :-) > > MJM > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Alm" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > >> When I first moved to Baltimore, in 1980, my car was broken into the first >> week! >> >> Slim >> >> On 8/2/02 1:23 AM, "Michael Meltzer" wrote: >> >>> what can I say, it normal for me :-) the family is all around here, long >>> island, Stain island, North Jerry's, Nother Phila, md and washington. > Just a >>> east coast type of guy. >>> >>> MJM >>> >>> It not do bad, use to work in ct, took 1 hours to go 15 miles to work. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Rik Sandberg" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:17 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up >>> >>> >>>> Never been to NYC proper. Was out to Newark once and it seemed like it >>> took >>>> forever to get in and out of there. The burbs seem to stretch out and > out >>>> and out....... >>>> >>>> Lived in Mpls for about 6 months once and I have spent more than my > share >>>> of time in Chicago (only the worst neighborhoods though) so I do know > what >>>> big cities are like somewhat and yeah, I sure as hell wouldn't want to >>>> raise my kids in Chicago proper. What a dump. Not so bad along the lake >>>> shore though. But as a trucker, you never get to go to those parts of >>> town. >>>> I don't suppose NY is a whole lot different. Everybody rushing around > all >>>> the time and constantly pissed off. No room to hardly move without > bumping >>>> into somebody. >>>> >>>> I don't know how you all take that crowding all the time. We may not > make >>>> the money out in the country, but sometimes I think it's worth it. >>>> >>>> Rik >>>> >>>> >>>> At 01:51 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>> It the price for Karin/kids to have trees and flowers. 1000 parking > space >>>>> get filled every day at the station. I used to live in the city but it > no >>>>> place to raise the kids. Ny is a big place, take about 1/2 just to > clear >>> the >>>>> city line. 1 hour is about standard. >>>>> >>>>> MJM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Rik Sandberg" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:49 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> An Hour on the train and a half hour on top of that???? Whoa, No > thank >>> you >>>>>> very much. Do a lot of people out there commute that far???? >>>>>> >>>>>> I had a job, years back, that was a 45 mile drive one way. Swore that >>> I'd >>>>>> never do that again. Now its about 2 miles to work maybe a little > less >>> and >>>>>> I can drive it in about two minutes and walk it (if I want) in about >>> 20 >>>>>> minutes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, I know about the bed thing. Used to have one of those on the >>> back of >>>>>> my truck :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Rik >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> At 01:33 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>> it a double edged sword, you end up with a lot of "huny can you do >>> this" >>>>> and >>>>>>> before you know it half the day is goen. take 1 hour on the train >>> plus an >>>>>>> other 1/2 to and from the station, about the same amount of time if > I >>>>> would >>>>>>> drive. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BTW, I have a bed in the city to, The "boss" thought it was always a >>> good >>>>>>> ide that I had a place to stay, what a nice guy :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> MJM >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Rik Sandberg" >>>>>>> To: >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:31 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hey, being able to do it from the house has got to be a big plus. >>> At >>>>> least >>>>>>>> when you get too tired to navigate anymore, it ain't far to bed. >>> How >>>>> far >>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> you really live from work, how long does it take to get there??? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rik >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At 01:17 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> she had plubimg, it seems that you have to pay for the school bus >>>>> thier >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> her mother did not thing she was worth it, but she did pay for >>> the >>>>>>> bother. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> BTW, I forgot to mention I can work everything from home, execpt >>>>> touch >>>>>>> them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> MJM >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Rik Sandberg" >>>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:15 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well she might not be pulling there legs if she's not trying >>> to >>>>> get >>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> believe it was uphill both ways :-) :-) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Or, how about the old outhouse stories, We've heard lots of >>> those >>>>> over >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Rik >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> At 01:03 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> do not be so sure of that, remember my wife runs the house >>> with >>>>>>> Germany >>>>>>>>>>> efficacy, last I heard it cost me 5$ a week to pay my 7 year >>> old >>>>> to >>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> beds. An other cute story is last weekend the kid where >>> talking >>>>> about >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> school bus and wife was giving them the story of how she had >>> to >>>>> walk >>>>>>> 10km >>>>>>>>>>> thought the snow to get to school :-) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> MJM >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: "ellner" >>>>>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:57 AM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael------will have to remember that ------ enough time >>> to >>>>>>> sleep >>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>>>> dead :) :) (but come on now; those girls of yours aren't >>> old >>>>>>> enough >>>>>>>>> to be >>>>>>>>>>>> helping with house work.....:) :) :) maryAt 12:42 AM >>>>>>>>> 8/2/2002 -0400, >>>>>>>>>>>> you wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> The only time I need sleep is when thier is house work to >>> be >>>>> done >>>>>>> :-) >>>>>>>>>>> Thier >>>>>>>>>>>>> will be enought time for sleep when I am dead :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> MJM >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "ellner" >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:37 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael: don't you & Rik EVER sleep??? (I'm only up >>>>> 'cuz >>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>>> trying >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get logistics worked out for our sailboat jaunt down >>> to >>>>> Lake >>>>>>>>> Pepin >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weekend) ((as in, wish us luck in remembering to ask >>> the >>>>>>> bridge >>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prescott to raise, or we'll be back in the power boat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> category!!)) Thanks for all your work with the >>> list! >>>>>>>>> mary >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subscribers, send mail to this address >>>>>>> Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To change your options or unsubscribe from the list >>> click >>>>> on >>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> link >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>>>> Check >>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>>>> FAQ pages at >>>>> http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subscribers, send mail to this address >>>>> Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click >>> on >>>>> this >>>>>>>>> link >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> Check >>>>> out >>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>>> FAQ pages at >>> http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! 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> http://www.rhodes22.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________ >>>> Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>>> To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our >>>> FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >>>> http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org >>> >>> _______________________________________ >>> Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >>> To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our >>> FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >>> http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org >> >> _______________________________________ >> Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >> To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our >> FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >> http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 07:41:54 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 02:41:54 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up References: <5.0.0.25.1.20020801233526.01bf4360@pop.pressenter.com> <5.0.0.25.1.20020801235539.01c17df8@pop.pressenter.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802001214.00aa1800@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802002958.00afed58@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802004406.00afe8d8@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802010704.00aa33a8@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802014005.06359ea0@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <03a501c239ef$b19b09d0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> I can under stand that, tried upstate ny, Ithaca for a summer could me all nervous :-) MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Sandberg" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:41 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > Yeah, I guess there are a lot of people that like it, or those cities > wouldn't be so big :-) Probably all what you are used to I guess. Just > can't get used to it myself. > > Rik > > > At 02:23 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >what can I say, it normal for me :-) the family is all around here, long > >island, Stain island, North Jerry's, Nother Phila, md and washington. Just a > >east coast type of guy. > > > >MJM > > > >It not do bad, use to work in ct, took 1 hours to go 15 miles to work. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Rik Sandberg" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:17 AM > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > Never been to NYC proper. Was out to Newark once and it seemed like it > >took > > > forever to get in and out of there. The burbs seem to stretch out and out > > > and out....... > > > > > > Lived in Mpls for about 6 months once and I have spent more than my share > > > of time in Chicago (only the worst neighborhoods though) so I do know what > > > big cities are like somewhat and yeah, I sure as hell wouldn't want to > > > raise my kids in Chicago proper. What a dump. Not so bad along the lake > > > shore though. But as a trucker, you never get to go to those parts of > >town. > > > I don't suppose NY is a whole lot different. Everybody rushing around all > > > the time and constantly pissed off. No room to hardly move without bumping > > > into somebody. > > > > > > I don't know how you all take that crowding all the time. We may not make > > > the money out in the country, but sometimes I think it's worth it. > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > At 01:51 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > >It the price for Karin/kids to have trees and flowers. 1000 parking space > > > >get filled every day at the station. I used to live in the city but it no > > > >place to raise the kids. Ny is a big place, take about 1/2 just to clear > >the > > > >city line. 1 hour is about standard. > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Rik Sandberg" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:49 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > An Hour on the train and a half hour on top of that???? Whoa, No thank > >you > > > > > very much. Do a lot of people out there commute that far???? > > > > > > > > > > I had a job, years back, that was a 45 mile drive one way. Swore that > >I'd > > > > > never do that again. Now its about 2 miles to work maybe a little less > >and > > > > > I can drive it in about two minutes and walk it (if I want) in about > >20 > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I know about the bed thing. Used to have one of those on the > >back of > > > > > my truck :-) > > > > > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:33 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > >it a double edged sword, you end up with a lot of "huny can you do > >this" > > > >and > > > > > >before you know it half the day is goen. take 1 hour on the train > >plus an > > > > > >other 1/2 to and from the station, about the same amount of time if I > > > >would > > > > > >drive. > > > > > > > > > > > >BTW, I have a bed in the city to, The "boss" thought it was always a > >good > > > > > >ide that I had a place to stay, what a nice guy :-) > > > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: "Rik Sandberg" > > > > > >To: > > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:31 AM > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, being able to do it from the house has got to be a big plus. > >At > > > >least > > > > > > > when you get too tired to navigate anymore, it ain't far to bed. > >How > > > >far > > > > > >do > > > > > > > you really live from work, how long does it take to get there??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:17 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > > >she had plubimg, it seems that you have to pay for the school bus > > > >thier > > > > > >and > > > > > > > >her mother did not thing she was worth it, but she did pay for > >the > > > > > >bother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >BTW, I forgot to mention I can work everything from home, execpt > > > >touch > > > > > >them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > >From: "Rik Sandberg" > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:15 AM > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well she might not be pulling there legs if she's not trying > >to > > > >get > > > > > >them > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > > believe it was uphill both ways :-) :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or, how about the old outhouse stories, We've heard lots of > >those > > > >over > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:03 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >do not be so sure of that, remember my wife runs the house > >with > > > > > >Germany > > > > > > > > > >efficacy, last I heard it cost me 5$ a week to pay my 7 year > >old > > > >to > > > > > >make > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > >beds. An other cute story is last weekend the kid where > >talking > > > >about > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > >school bus and wife was giving them the story of how she had > >to > > > >walk > > > > > >10km > > > > > > > > > >thought the snow to get to school :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > >From: "ellner" > > > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:57 AM > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael------will have to remember that ------ enough time > >to > > > > > >sleep > > > > > > > >when > > > > > > > > > > > dead :) :) (but come on now; those girls of yours aren't > >old > > > > > >enough > > > > > > > >to be > > > > > > > > > > > helping with house work.....:) :) :) maryAt 12:42 AM > > > > > > > >8/2/2002 -0400, > > > > > > > > > > > you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >The only time I need sleep is when thier is house work to > >be > > > >done > > > > > >:-) > > > > > > > > > >Thier > > > > > > > > > > > >will be enought time for sleep when I am dead :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "ellner" > > > > > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:37 AM > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Michael: don't you & Rik EVER sleep??? (I'm only up > > > >'cuz > > > > > >I'm > > > > > > > >trying > > > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > > > > > > >get logistics worked out for our sailboat jaunt down > >to > > > >Lake > > > > > > > >Pepin > > > > > > > > > >this > > > > > > > > > > > > > >weekend) ((as in, wish us luck in remembering to ask > >the > > > > > >bridge > > > > > > > >at > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Prescott to raise, or we'll be back in the power boat > > > > > > > > > > > > > >category!!)) Thanks for all your work with the > >list! > > > > > > > >mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address > > > > > >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list > >click > > > >on > > > > > >this > > > > > > > >link > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > >Check > > > > > >out > > > > > > > >our > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAQ pages at > > > >http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > > > > > > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address > > > >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click > >on > > > >this > > > > > > > >link > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > >Check > > > >out > > > > > >our > > > > > > > > > > > >FAQ pages at > >http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > > > > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address > > > >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click > >on > > > >this > > > > > >link > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > >Check > > > >out > > > > > >our > > > > > > > > > > > FAQ pages at > >http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > > > > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > > > > > > > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address > >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on > >this > > > > > >link > > > > > > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check > >out > > > >our > > > > > > > > > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > > > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! 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http://www.rhodes22.org > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 07:43:45 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Michael Meltzer) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 02:43:45 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up References: Message-ID: <03ab01c239ef$f38fcdd0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> it happens, when I lived on the westside alot of people left thier cars open with signs "Nothing worth stealing" :-) MJM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Alm" To: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:41 AM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > Yeah, that's the funny part. I actually felt pretty safe there. > > On 8/2/02 1:34 AM, "Michael Meltzer" wrote: > > > WO, it took them a week, must have been a good nabborhood :-) > > > > MJM > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve Alm" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:32 AM > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > >> When I first moved to Baltimore, in 1980, my car was broken into the first > >> week! > >> > >> Slim > >> > >> On 8/2/02 1:23 AM, "Michael Meltzer" wrote: > >> > >>> what can I say, it normal for me :-) the family is all around here, long > >>> island, Stain island, North Jerry's, Nother Phila, md and washington. > > Just a > >>> east coast type of guy. > >>> > >>> MJM > >>> > >>> It not do bad, use to work in ct, took 1 hours to go 15 miles to work. > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Rik Sandberg" > >>> To: > >>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:17 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > >>> > >>> > >>>> Never been to NYC proper. Was out to Newark once and it seemed like it > >>> took > >>>> forever to get in and out of there. The burbs seem to stretch out and > > out > >>>> and out....... > >>>> > >>>> Lived in Mpls for about 6 months once and I have spent more than my > > share > >>>> of time in Chicago (only the worst neighborhoods though) so I do know > > what > >>>> big cities are like somewhat and yeah, I sure as hell wouldn't want to > >>>> raise my kids in Chicago proper. What a dump. Not so bad along the lake > >>>> shore though. But as a trucker, you never get to go to those parts of > >>> town. > >>>> I don't suppose NY is a whole lot different. Everybody rushing around > > all > >>>> the time and constantly pissed off. No room to hardly move without > > bumping > >>>> into somebody. > >>>> > >>>> I don't know how you all take that crowding all the time. We may not > > make > >>>> the money out in the country, but sometimes I think it's worth it. > >>>> > >>>> Rik > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> At 01:51 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >>>>> It the price for Karin/kids to have trees and flowers. 1000 parking > > space > >>>>> get filled every day at the station. I used to live in the city but it > > no > >>>>> place to raise the kids. Ny is a big place, take about 1/2 just to > > clear > >>> the > >>>>> city line. 1 hour is about standard. > >>>>> > >>>>> MJM > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Rik Sandberg" > >>>>> To: > >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:49 AM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> An Hour on the train and a half hour on top of that???? Whoa, No > > thank > >>> you > >>>>>> very much. Do a lot of people out there commute that far???? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I had a job, years back, that was a 45 mile drive one way. Swore that > >>> I'd > >>>>>> never do that again. Now its about 2 miles to work maybe a little > > less > >>> and > >>>>>> I can drive it in about two minutes and walk it (if I want) in about > >>> 20 > >>>>>> minutes. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yeah, I know about the bed thing. Used to have one of those on the > >>> back of > >>>>>> my truck :-) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Rik > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> At 01:33 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >>>>>>> it a double edged sword, you end up with a lot of "huny can you do > >>> this" > >>>>> and > >>>>>>> before you know it half the day is goen. take 1 hour on the train > >>> plus an > >>>>>>> other 1/2 to and from the station, about the same amount of time if > > I > >>>>> would > >>>>>>> drive. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> BTW, I have a bed in the city to, The "boss" thought it was always a > >>> good > >>>>>>> ide that I had a place to stay, what a nice guy :-) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> MJM > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>> From: "Rik Sandberg" > >>>>>>> To: > >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:31 AM > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hey, being able to do it from the house has got to be a big plus. > >>> At > >>>>> least > >>>>>>>> when you get too tired to navigate anymore, it ain't far to bed. > >>> How > >>>>> far > >>>>>>> do > >>>>>>>> you really live from work, how long does it take to get there??? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Rik > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> At 01:17 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >>>>>>>>> she had plubimg, it seems that you have to pay for the school bus > >>>>> thier > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>> her mother did not thing she was worth it, but she did pay for > >>> the > >>>>>>> bother. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> BTW, I forgot to mention I can work everything from home, execpt > >>>>> touch > >>>>>>> them. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> MJM > >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>> From: "Rik Sandberg" > >>>>>>>>> To: > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:15 AM > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Well she might not be pulling there legs if she's not trying > >>> to > >>>>> get > >>>>>>> them > >>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>> believe it was uphill both ways :-) :-) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Or, how about the old outhouse stories, We've heard lots of > >>> those > >>>>> over > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> years. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Rik > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> At 01:03 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> do not be so sure of that, remember my wife runs the house > >>> with > >>>>>>> Germany > >>>>>>>>>>> efficacy, last I heard it cost me 5$ a week to pay my 7 year > >>> old > >>>>> to > >>>>>>> make > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> beds. An other cute story is last weekend the kid where > >>> talking > >>>>> about > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>> school bus and wife was giving them the story of how she had > >>> to > >>>>> walk > >>>>>>> 10km > >>>>>>>>>>> thought the snow to get to school :-) > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> MJM > >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>>>> From: "ellner" > >>>>>>>>>>> To: > >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:57 AM > >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael------will have to remember that ------ enough time > >>> to > >>>>>>> sleep > >>>>>>>>> when > >>>>>>>>>>>> dead :) :) (but come on now; those girls of yours aren't > >>> old > >>>>>>> enough > >>>>>>>>> to be > >>>>>>>>>>>> helping with house work.....:) :) :) maryAt 12:42 AM > >>>>>>>>> 8/2/2002 -0400, > >>>>>>>>>>>> you wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> The only time I need sleep is when thier is house work to > >>> be > >>>>> done > >>>>>>> :-) > >>>>>>>>>>> Thier > >>>>>>>>>>>>> will be enought time for sleep when I am dead :-) > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> MJM > >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "ellner" > >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:37 AM > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael: don't you & Rik EVER sleep??? (I'm only up > >>>>> 'cuz > >>>>>>> I'm > >>>>>>>>> trying > >>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get logistics worked out for our sailboat jaunt down > >>> to > >>>>> Lake > >>>>>>>>> Pepin > >>>>>>>>>>> this > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weekend) ((as in, wish us luck in remembering to ask > >>> the > >>>>>>> bridge > >>>>>>>>> at > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prescott to raise, or we'll be back in the power boat > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> category!!)) 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> > http://www.rhodes22.org > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________ > >>>> Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > >>>> To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > >>>> FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > >>>> http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > >>> > >>> _______________________________________ > >>> Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > >>> To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > >>> FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > >>> http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > >> > >> _______________________________________ > >> Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > >> To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > >> FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > >> http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > _______________________________________ > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > _______________________________________ > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 07:55:45 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Rik Sandberg) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 01:55:45 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up In-Reply-To: <03a501c239ef$b19b09d0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> References: <5.0.0.25.1.20020801233526.01bf4360@pop.pressenter.com> <5.0.0.25.1.20020801235539.01c17df8@pop.pressenter.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802001214.00aa1800@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802002958.00afed58@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802004406.00afe8d8@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802010704.00aa33a8@rea-alp.com> <5.1.0.14.0.20020802014005.06359ea0@rea-alp.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020802015335.06363210@rea-alp.com> Been to Ithica, though it was pretty nice up there. Never got robbed or nothing. :-) :-) Not a thing to be nervous about. Rik At 02:41 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I can under stand that, tried upstate ny, Ithaca for a summer could me all >nervous :-) > >MJM >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rik Sandberg" >To: >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:41 AM >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > Yeah, I guess there are a lot of people that like it, or those cities > > wouldn't be so big :-) Probably all what you are used to I guess. Just > > can't get used to it myself. > > > > Rik > > > > > > At 02:23 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > >what can I say, it normal for me :-) the family is all around here, long > > >island, Stain island, North Jerry's, Nother Phila, md and washington. >Just a > > >east coast type of guy. > > > > > >MJM > > > > > >It not do bad, use to work in ct, took 1 hours to go 15 miles to work. > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Rik Sandberg" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:17 AM > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > Never been to NYC proper. Was out to Newark once and it seemed like it > > >took > > > > forever to get in and out of there. The burbs seem to stretch out and >out > > > > and out....... > > > > > > > > Lived in Mpls for about 6 months once and I have spent more than my >share > > > > of time in Chicago (only the worst neighborhoods though) so I do know >what > > > > big cities are like somewhat and yeah, I sure as hell wouldn't want to > > > > raise my kids in Chicago proper. What a dump. Not so bad along the >lake > > > > shore though. But as a trucker, you never get to go to those parts of > > >town. > > > > I don't suppose NY is a whole lot different. Everybody rushing around >all > > > > the time and constantly pissed off. No room to hardly move without >bumping > > > > into somebody. > > > > > > > > I don't know how you all take that crowding all the time. We may not >make > > > > the money out in the country, but sometimes I think it's worth it. > > > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:51 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >It the price for Karin/kids to have trees and flowers. 1000 parking >space > > > > >get filled every day at the station. I used to live in the city but >it no > > > > >place to raise the kids. Ny is a big place, take about 1/2 just to >clear > > >the > > > > >city line. 1 hour is about standard. > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Rik Sandberg" > > > > >To: > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:49 AM > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > An Hour on the train and a half hour on top of that???? Whoa, No >thank > > >you > > > > > > very much. Do a lot of people out there commute that far???? > > > > > > > > > > > > I had a job, years back, that was a 45 mile drive one way. Swore >that > > >I'd > > > > > > never do that again. Now its about 2 miles to work maybe a little >less > > >and > > > > > > I can drive it in about two minutes and walk it (if I want) in >about > > >20 > > > > > > minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I know about the bed thing. Used to have one of those on the > > >back of > > > > > > my truck :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:33 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > >it a double edged sword, you end up with a lot of "huny can you >do > > >this" > > > > >and > > > > > > >before you know it half the day is goen. take 1 hour on the train > > >plus an > > > > > > >other 1/2 to and from the station, about the same amount of time >if I > > > > >would > > > > > > >drive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >BTW, I have a bed in the city to, The "boss" thought it was >always a > > >good > > > > > > >ide that I had a place to stay, what a nice guy :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >From: "Rik Sandberg" > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:31 AM > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, being able to do it from the house has got to be a big >plus. > > >At > > > > >least > > > > > > > > when you get too tired to navigate anymore, it ain't far to >bed. > > >How > > > > >far > > > > > > >do > > > > > > > > you really live from work, how long does it take to get >there??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:17 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >she had plubimg, it seems that you have to pay for the school >bus > > > > >thier > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > > >her mother did not thing she was worth it, but she did pay >for > > >the > > > > > > >bother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >BTW, I forgot to mention I can work everything from home, >execpt > > > > >touch > > > > > > >them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > >From: "Rik Sandberg" > > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:15 AM > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well she might not be pulling there legs if she's not >trying > > >to > > > > >get > > > > > > >them > > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > > > believe it was uphill both ways :-) :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or, how about the old outhouse stories, We've heard lots >of > > >those > > > > >over > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 01:03 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >do not be so sure of that, remember my wife runs the >house > > >with > > > > > > >Germany > > > > > > > > > > >efficacy, last I heard it cost me 5$ a week to pay my 7 >year > > >old > > > > >to > > > > > > >make > > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > >beds. An other cute story is last weekend the kid where > > >talking > > > > >about > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > >school bus and wife was giving them the story of how she >had > > >to > > > > >walk > > > > > > >10km > > > > > > > > > > >thought the snow to get to school :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > >From: "ellner" > > > > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:57 AM > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael------will have to remember that ------ enough >time > > >to > > > > > > >sleep > > > > > > > > >when > > > > > > > > > > > > dead :) :) (but come on now; those girls of yours >aren't > > >old > > > > > > >enough > > > > > > > > >to be > > > > > > > > > > > > helping with house work.....:) :) :) maryAt 12:42 >AM > > > > > > > > >8/2/2002 -0400, > > > > > > > > > > > > you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >The only time I need sleep is when thier is house >work to > > >be > > > > >done > > > > > > >:-) > > > > > > > > > > >Thier > > > > > > > > > > > > >will be enought time for sleep when I am dead :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >MJM > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "ellner" > > > > > > > > > > > > >To: > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 12:37 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Michael: don't you & Rik EVER sleep??? (I'm >only up > > > > >'cuz > > > > > > >I'm > > > > > > > > >trying > > > > > > > > > > >to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >get logistics worked out for our sailboat jaunt >down > > >to > > > > >Lake > > > > > > > > >Pepin > > > > > > > > > > >this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >weekend) ((as in, wish us luck in remembering to >ask > > >the > > > > > > >bridge > > > > > > > > >at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Prescott to raise, or we'll be back in the power >boat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >category!!)) Thanks for all your work with the > > >list! > > > > > > > > >mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address > > > > > > >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the >list > > >click > > > > >on > > > > > > >this > > > > > > > > >link > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > >Check > > > > > > >out > > > > > > > > >our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAQ pages at > > > > >http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address > > > > >Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > > > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list >click > > >on > > > > >this > > > > > > > > >link > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > >Check > > > > >out > > > > > > >our > > > > > > > > > > > > >FAQ pages at > > >http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! 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> > >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this >link > > > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________ > > > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! >http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > > >_______________________________________ > > >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > > > > _______________________________________ > > Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org > > To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our > > FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html > > http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org > >_______________________________________ >Subscribers, send mail to this address Rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org >To change your options or unsubscribe from the list click on this link >http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list Check out our >FAQ pages at http://www.geocities.com/blew_skies/topics.html >http://www.sailnet.com/ -Where Sailors Get It! http://www.rhodes22.org From rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org Fri Aug 2 07:55:33 2002 From: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org (Steve Alm) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 01:55:33 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up In-Reply-To: <03ab01c239ef$f38fcdd0$0b01a8c0@mjm2> Message-ID: After coughing up every last dime for grad school, they found nothing in my car. They didn't even damage anything. It surely was a good neighborhood. I miss those good old days. :-) Slim On 8/2/02 1:43 AM, "Michael Meltzer" wrote: > it happens, when I lived on the westside alot of people left thier cars open > with signs "Nothing worth stealing" :-) > > MJM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Alm" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:41 AM > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up > > >> Yeah, that's the funny part. I actually felt pretty safe there. >> >> On 8/2/02 1:34 AM, "Michael Meltzer" wrote: >> >>> WO, it took them a week, must have been a good nabborhood :-) >>> >>> MJM >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Steve Alm" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:32 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up >>> >>> >>>> When I first moved to Baltimore, in 1980, my car was broken into the > first >>>> week! >>>> >>>> Slim >>>> >>>> On 8/2/02 1:23 AM, "Michael Meltzer" wrote: >>>> >>>>> what can I say, it normal for me :-) the family is all around here, > long >>>>> island, Stain island, North Jerry's, Nother Phila, md and washington. >>> Just a >>>>> east coast type of guy. >>>>> >>>>> MJM >>>>> >>>>> It not do bad, use to work in ct, took 1 hours to go 15 miles to work. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Rik Sandberg" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:17 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Never been to NYC proper. Was out to Newark once and it seemed like > it >>>>> took >>>>>> forever to get in and out of there. The burbs seem to stretch out and >>> out >>>>>> and out....... >>>>>> >>>>>> Lived in Mpls for about 6 months once and I have spent more than my >>> share >>>>>> of time in Chicago (only the worst neighborhoods though) so I do know >>> what >>>>>> big cities are like somewhat and yeah, I sure as hell wouldn't want > to >>>>>> raise my kids in Chicago proper. What a dump. Not so bad along the > lake >>>>>> shore though. But as a trucker, you never get to go to those parts of >>>>> town. >>>>>> I don't suppose NY is a whole lot different. Everybody rushing around >>> all >>>>>> the time and constantly pissed off. No room to hardly move without >>> bumping >>>>>> into somebody. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know how you all take that crowding all the time. We may not >>> make >>>>>> the money out in the country, but sometimes I think it's worth it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Rik >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> At 01:51 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>> It the price for Karin/kids to have trees and flowers. 1000 parking >>> space >>>>>>> get filled every day at the station. I used to live in the city but > it >>> no >>>>>>> place to raise the kids. Ny is a big place, take about 1/2 just to >>> clear >>>>> the >>>>>>> city line. 1 hour is about standard. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> MJM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Rik Sandberg" >>>>>>> To: >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:49 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> An Hour on the train and a half hour on top of that???? Whoa, No >>> thank >>>>> you >>>>>>>> very much. Do a lot of people out there commute that far???? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I had a job, years back, that was a 45 mile drive one way. Swore > that >>>>> I'd >>>>>>>> never do that again. Now its about 2 miles to work maybe a little >>> less >>>>> and >>>>>>>> I can drive it in about two minutes and walk it (if I want) in > about >>>>> 20 >>>>>>>> minutes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yeah, I know about the bed thing. Used to have one of those on the >>>>> back of >>>>>>>> my truck :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rik >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At 01:33 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> it a double edged sword, you end up with a lot of "huny can you do >>>>> this" >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> before you know it half the day is goen. take 1 hour on the train > >>>>> plus an >>>>>>>>> other 1/2 to and from the station, about the same amount of time > if >>> I >>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>> drive. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> BTW, I have a bed in the city to, The "boss" thought it was always > a >>>>> good >>>>>>>>> ide that I had a place to stay, what a nice guy :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> MJM >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Rik Sandberg" >>>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:31 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey, being able to do it from the house has got to be a big plus. >>>>> At >>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>> when you get too tired to navigate anymore, it ain't far to bed. >>>>> How >>>>>>> far >>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>> you really live from work, how long does it take to get there??? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Rik >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> At 01:17 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> she had plubimg, it seems that you have to pay for the school > bus >>>>>>> thier >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> her mother did not thing she was worth it, but she did pay for >>>>> the >>>>>>>>> bother. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I forgot to mention I can work everything from home, execpt >>>>>>> touch >>>>>>>>> them. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> MJM >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Rik Sandberg" >>>>>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 1:15 AM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] So any one up >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well she might not be pulling there legs if she's not trying >>>>> to >>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> believe it was uphill both ways :-) :-) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Or, how about the old outhouse stories, We've heard lots of >>>>> those >>>>>>> over >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rik >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> At 01:03 AM 8/2/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> do not be so sure of that, remember my wife runs the house >>>>> with >>>>>>>>> Germany >>>>>>>>>>>>> efficacy, last I heard it cost me 5$ a week to pay my 7 year >>>>> old >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> beds. An other cute story is last weekend the kid where >>>>> talking >>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> school bus and wife was giving them the story of how she had >>>>> to >>>>>>> walk >>>>>>>>> 10km >>>>>>>>>>>>> thought the snow to get to school :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> MJM >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "ellner" >>>>>>>>>>>>> To:

ROWDY RHODIES	STATE	SV @ KLake	CELL PH #	ARRIVE DEPART STAYING @
Rod & Mary Ellner	Wisconsin	Toy Blew		9-24 9-29 = =20 LHL
Tom & Vicki Evans	Iowa	Tom's Foolery	515-991-6318	9-25 9-29 = =20 LHL N-4
Rik & Sandy Sandberg	Minnesota	Country Rhodes	320-860-4891	9-22 9-29 = =20 LHL
Ken & Jo Wise	Indiana			9-22 9-29 = =20 LHL
Rummy & Kimberly ?	S Carolina	Rum Runner		? = =20 ? =20 ?
Anne Matejcek	Kentucky	Anima		Continuous :^)
Elton Spitzer	N Carolina			9-24 ? = ?
Glen & Dorene Barrera	Illinois	ChickieBabe	630-430-9087	-24 = =20 9-29 LHL S-4

> ROWDY RHODIES	> STATE	> SV @ KLake	> CELL PH #	> ARRIVE DEPART STAYING @
> Rod & Mary Ellner	> Wisconsin	> Toy Blew		> 9-24 9-29 > > LHL
> Tom & Vicki Evans	> Iowa	> Tom's Foolery	> 515-991-6318	> 9-25 9-29 > > LHL N-4
> Rik & Sandy Sandberg	> Minnesota	> Country Rhodes	> 320-860-4891	> 9-22 9-29 > > LHL
> Ken & Jo Wise	> Indiana			> 9-22 9-29 > > LHL
> Rummy & Kimberly ?	> S Carolina	> Rum Runner		> ? > > ? > ?
> Anne Matejcek	> Kentucky	> Anima	>	Continuous :^)
> Elton Spitzer	> N Carolina			> 9-24 ? > ?
Glen & Dorene Barrera	Illinois	ChickieBabe	630-430-9087	-24 > > 9-29 LHL S-4

>=20 ROWDY RHODIES	>=20 STATE	>=20 SV @ KLake	>=20 CELL PH #	>=20 ARRIVE DEPART STAYING @
>=20 Rod & Mary Ellner	>=20 Wisconsin	>=20 Toy Blew		>=20 9-24 9-29 > > LHL
>=20 Tom & Vicki Evans	>=20 Iowa	>=20 Tom's Foolery	>=20 515-991-6318	>=20 9-25 9-29 > > LHL = N-4
>=20 Rik & Sandy Sandberg	>=20 Minnesota	>=20 Country Rhodes	>=20 320-860-4891	>=20 9-22 9-29 > > LHL
>=20 Ken & Jo Wise	>=20 Indiana			>=20 9-22 9-29 > > LHL
>=20 Rummy & Kimberly ?	>=20 S Carolina	>=20 Rum Runner		>=20 ? > > ? > ?
>=20 Anne Matejcek	>=20 Kentucky	>=20 Anima	>=20	Continuous :^)
>=20 Elton Spitzer	>=20 N Carolina			>=20 9-24 ? > ?
Glen & Dorene = Barrera	Illinois	ChickieBabe	630-430-9087	-24 > > 9-29 LHL=20 S-4

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