[Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm

Roger Pihlaja rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:41:51 -0400


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Joe,

OK, stop thinking about what tack you are on, which side you're sitting =
on, & whether you are pushing or pulling on the tiller.  With the tiller =
on center, what does the boat "want" to do?  If the bow of the boat =
tries to turn into the wind (heads up), then you have weather helm.  If =
the bow of the boat tries to turn downwind or away from the wind (bears =
off), then you have lee helm.  No tendancy to turn either upwind or =
downwind equals neutral helm.

Does that help?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Ware, Joseph W.=20
  To: 'rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org'=20
  Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:28 AM
  Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm


  As long as we are here, help me get it straight.  I have a mental =
block with lee and weather helm.  If the wind is coming over the port =
side, I am on a port tack.  If the boat is trying to head into the wind, =
I. E. bow to port, and I am sitting on the high side, the port side, and =
I am puling the tiller toward me, I. E. trying to head the boat away =
from the wind to starboard, which is this lee or weather helm?  Is the =
opposite true?  If I was pushing the tiller award me, I. E. trying to =
head the boat into the wind to port...

  I be confused.

  Also in light air, I am balanced.  I have issues only as the wind =
picks up, I'm trying to understand the dynamics.  I know I need to roll =
in some of the genny to stabilize the boat.

  Joe
  W/V/ Whisper

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Roger Pihlaja [mailto:cen09402@centurytel.net]
  Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:12 AM
  To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
  Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm


  Mary Lou, Joe, Et All,

  If you are having lee helm with the 175% genoa in light air, then =
consider trying the following before you lengthen the forestay:

  Slack off slightly on the mainsail's outhaul on the boom.  This will =
increase the fullness or maximum draft in the mainsail's shape.  In =
light air, increasing the draft on the mainsail will power it up =
relative to the genoa, which should move the sail plan's center of =
effort aft & thus decrease your lee helm. (& make you go faster as =
well!)  The downside is that the new sail shape will be less forgiving =
of sail trimming & helmsman errors.  i.e., the "groove" will be =
narrower.

      +

  Tighten up the mainsail's leech line.  This will cause the mainsail's =
leech to curve ("hook") to windward.  This will cause the mainsail's =
center of effort to move aft, which will decrease lee helm.

      +

  Make certain you are using the main sheet & traveller properly.  Watch =
your mainsail's leech telltales to be certain you are not overtrimming =
the mainsail, thus causing the airflow to stall.  If you stall the =
airflow over the mainsail, the sail plan's center of effort will move =
forward & increase lee helm.

      +

  Make certain you are not overtrimming the genoa.  The exhaust airflow =
coming off an overtrimmed genoa will blanket the mainsail & induce the =
airflow on the leeward side of the mainsail to stall.  See above bullet =
point


  If these techniques solve your light air lee helm issues; then, it =
will be better than permanently raking the mast further aft, which will =
increase weather helm under all conditions.  Remember, these sail shape =
adjustments are subtle & a little bit of sail shape or sail trim change =
can have a significant effect.

  Good luck!

  Roger Pihlaja
  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Joe,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>OK, stop thinking about what tack you =
are on, which=20
side you're sitting on, &amp; whether you are pushing or pulling on the=20
tiller.&nbsp; With the tiller on center, what does the boat "want" to =
do?&nbsp;=20
If the bow of the boat tries to turn into the wind (heads up), then you =
have=20
weather helm.&nbsp; If the bow of the boat tries to turn downwind or =
away from=20
the wind (bears off), then you have lee helm.&nbsp; No tendancy to turn =
either=20
upwind or downwind equals neutral helm.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Does that help?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Roger Pihlaja</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>S/V Dynamic Equilibrium</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Rhodes22-list] =
Balanced=20
  Helm</DIV>
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D711002212-27082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>As=20
  long as we are here, help me get it straight.&nbsp; I have a mental =
block with=20
  lee and weather helm.&nbsp; If the wind is coming over the port side, =
I am on=20
  a port tack.&nbsp; If the boat is trying to head into the wind, I. E. =
bow to=20
  port, and I am sitting on the high side, the port side, and I am =
puling the=20
  tiller toward me, I. E. trying to head the boat away from the wind to=20
  starboard, which is this lee or weather helm?&nbsp; Is the opposite=20
  true?&nbsp; If I was pushing the tiller award me, I. E. trying to head =
the=20
  boat into the wind to port...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D711002212-27082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D711002212-27082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2><SPAN class=3D711002212-27082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20
  be confused.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D711002212-27082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D711002212-27082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Also=20
  in light air, I am balanced.&nbsp; I have issues only as the wind =
picks up,=20
  I'm trying to understand the dynamics.&nbsp; I know I need to roll in =
some of=20
  the genny to stabilize the boat.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D711002212-27082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D711002212-27082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2>Joe</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D711002212-27082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>W/V/=20
  Whisper</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D711002212-27082002><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Roger Pihlaja=20
  [mailto:cen09402@centurytel.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 27, =
2002 8:12=20
  AM<BR><B>To:</B> rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
[Rhodes22-list]=20
  Balanced Helm<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mary Lou, Joe, Et All,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If you are having lee helm with the =
175% genoa in=20
  light air, then consider trying the following before you lengthen the=20
  forestay:</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Slack off slightly on the mainsail's =
outhaul on=20
  the boom.&nbsp; This will increase the fullness or maximum draft in =
the=20
  mainsail's shape.&nbsp; In light air, increasing the draft on the =
mainsail=20
  will power it up relative to the genoa, which should move the sail =
plan's=20
  center of effort aft &amp; thus&nbsp;decrease your lee helm. (&amp; =
make you=20
  go faster as well!)&nbsp; The downside is that the new sail shape will =
be less=20
  forgiving of sail trimming &amp; helmsman errors.&nbsp; i.e., the =
"groove"=20
  will be narrower.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tighten up the mainsail's leech =
line.&nbsp; This=20
  will cause the mainsail's leech to curve ("hook") to windward.&nbsp; =
This will=20
  cause the mainsail's center of effort to move aft, which will decrease =
lee=20
  helm.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Make certain you are using the main =
sheet &amp;=20
  traveller properly.&nbsp; Watch your mainsail's leech telltales to be =
certain=20
  you are not overtrimming the mainsail, thus causing the airflow to=20
  stall.&nbsp; If you stall the airflow over the mainsail, the sail =
plan's=20
  center of effort will move forward &amp; increase lee =
helm.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Make certain you are not overtrimming =
the=20
  genoa.&nbsp; The exhaust airflow coming off an overtrimmed genoa will =
blanket=20
  the mainsail &amp; induce the airflow on the leeward side of the =
mainsail to=20
  stall.&nbsp; See above bullet point</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If these techniques solve your light =
air lee helm=20
  issues; then, it will be better than permanently raking the mast =
further aft,=20
  which will increase weather helm under all conditions.&nbsp; Remember, =
these=20
  sail shape adjustments are subtle &amp; a little bit of sail shape or =
sail=20
  trim change can have a&nbsp;significant effect.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Good luck!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Roger Pihlaja</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>S/V Dynamic Equilibrium</FONT></DIV>
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