[Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm
Toad the Wet Sprocket
rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:45:27 -0400
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<P>Dave,</P>
<P> Thanks for the clarification. One more question comes up though. When measuring for new sails... I didn't get any with the boat....when measuring the dimension for the luff lenght, where do I measure to? the boom at a center point between ist lowest possible position and the opening in the sail track? I have got measurement from a few people and all are about the same plus or minus a couple of inches. When looking for a used sail I was looking in a luff range between these two extremes.<BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>From: "David Walker" <DAVID.WALKER5@ATTBI.COM>
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<DIV></DIV>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm
<DIV></DIV>Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:21:42 -0400
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<DIV></DIV>Todd,
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<DIV></DIV>1. A standard main goes where you put it in general. You raise it on the halyard, typically as far as it will go, then pull the goose neck down with the downhaul. Within limits if you don't raise it all the way you can pull the gooseneck lower. Typically you would reef the foot of the sail, leaving the gooseneck where it is. On the IMF the whole sail assembly (furling tube and boom) can slide up or down the mast. There are two pin positions (one hi for clearance of the pop top and heads in the cockpit, the other lower).
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<DIV></DIV>2. The leading edge of the rudder is forward of the pivot line when it is fully down. This makes the rudder a "balanced" rudder, as water pressure on the leading edge helps you with steering effort.
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<DIV></DIV>BTW, lee and weather helm are easy to remember. If you let the tiller go and the boat heads into the wind, you have weather helm. If you let go and the boat turns away from the wind, you have lee helm. It has no bearing on where you are sitting.
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<DIV></DIV>Dave Walker
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<DIV></DIV>From: Toad the Wet Sprocket
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<DIV></DIV>David, or Anyone,
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<DIV></DIV>Again, the newbie has questions. Two questions arose after reading your letter.
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<DIV></DIV>1. My boat is an older model and the goose neck is free floating....and has no "position". What method of positioning the boom do newer boats have?
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<DIV></DIV>2. This question is more important because I was going to be making a new rudder. The previous owner had made the one on there now. The rudder actually pivots down so far that it goes slightly past vertical and starts to angle foreward. Is this by design?
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<DIV></DIV>Todd
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<DIV></DIV>Please respond to sprocket80@hotmail.com
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<DIV></DIV>From: "David Walker"
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<DIV></DIV>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm
<DIV></DIV>Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:16:41 -0400
<DIV></DIV>Joe, the weather helm you are experiencing is most likely due to the
<DIV></DIV>heeling. When the hull heels its geomtry relative to the water changes
<DIV></DIV>inducing whether helm. The is acutally a good thing, as when the rig gets
<DIV></DIV>overpowered, the boat will autmatically tend to head up and luff the sails.
<DIV></DIV>On my boat with moderate wind I can sail the 175 all the way out (full main
<DIV></DIV>of course) and if I can keep her from heeling too much she is well balanced.
<DIV></DIV>The amount of wind you can do this in will depend on your "movable
<DIV></DIV>balllast". As you reef the jib, you should match with reelfing the main.
<DIV></DIV>Many on the list will reccomend lowering the boom to the lower position as a
<DIV></DIV>first reef. This will lower the COE of the main, but as the jib is 2x the
<DIV></DIV>size of the main, its benefit is small.
<DIV></DIV>Obvious, but also check to make sure the rudder is all the way down (leading
<DIV></DIV>edge actually ahead of the pivot line).
<DIV></DIV>Dave Walker
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<DIV></DIV>From: "Ware, Joseph W."
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<DIV></DIV>Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 3:55 PM
<DIV></DIV>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm
<DIV></DIV>> I have an IMF and 175 Genny. Under about 100% Genny the helm is balanced.
<DIV></DIV>> When the Genny is pulled all the way out, and healing, there is a good
<DIV></DIV>> amount of weather helm. I have to push the tiller hard to keep her going
<DIV></DIV>> straight. Is normal, or is my rig set up wrong?
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<DIV></DIV>> Joe
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