[Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm
Toad the Wet Sprocket
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Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:28:42 -0400
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<DIV></DIV>From: Steve Alm <SALM@MN.RR.COM>
<DIV></DIV>Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
<DIV></DIV>To: <RHODES22-LIST@RHODES22.ORG>
<DIV></DIV>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm
<DIV></DIV>Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:24:08 -0500
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<DIV></DIV>Toad. Define REAL job. Does it really require a kollij ejakashun?
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<DIV></DIV>On 8/27/02 2:36 PM, "Toad the Wet Sprocket" <SPROCKET80@HOTMAIL.COM>wrote:
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<DIV></DIV>> MM,
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<DIV></DIV>> Yes. Just so we are on the same page...... where my gooseneck connects
<DIV></DIV>> the boom to the mast, it slides down into the groove in the mast where the
<DIV></DIV>> sails luff bolt rope goes. The boom is not secured in the groove and slides
<DIV></DIV>> up and down freely limited only at the bottom by a large cotter pin that I
<DIV></DIV>> think is for the pop-top. I assume (don't say it!) (Roger) that I will have
<DIV></DIV>> to use a boom downhaul line when I sail, but someone mentioned putting their
<DIV></DIV>> boom down to the lowest setting and I was confused.
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<DIV></DIV>> Second, I have a complete rudder assembly to use the head as a template.
<DIV></DIV>> It matches in shape and style with two other similar vintage RC 22s I have
<DIV></DIV>> examined, but was obviously remade by an individual that was not very good
<DIV></DIV>> with tools...and never varnished or epoxy coated. Using the hinge plane of
<DIV></DIV>> the pintles and parallel forward face of the rudder head as a reference of
<DIV></DIV>> vertical, the blade pivots approximately 7-10 degrees forward of this
<DIV></DIV>> vertical. This is apparently because of the lousy fabrication job. After
<DIV></DIV>> reading one of Roger's posts, I see how critical this travel is.
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<DIV></DIV>> Straight answer?? Yesterday I couldn't spell sailor, today I are one. LOL
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<DIV></DIV>> From: "Michael Meltzer"
<DIV></DIV>> Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
<DIV></DIV>> To:
<DIV></DIV>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm
<DIV></DIV>> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:56:59 -0400
<DIV></DIV>> 1)Do you mean that the block that in the sail track is sliding up and down
<DIV></DIV>> with no pin to stop it travel?
<DIV></DIV>> 2) Stright amswer please, how good are your boat building skill, replacing a
<DIV></DIV>> rudder without the old one for a templet is at the adavanved to expert level,
<DIV></DIV>> i.e call stan for new one or see if he can make a deal on a used one.
<DIV></DIV>> MJM
<DIV></DIV>> ----- Original Message -----
<DIV></DIV>> From: Toad the Wet Sprocket
<DIV></DIV>> To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
<DIV></DIV>> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 9:12 AM
<DIV></DIV>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm
<DIV></DIV>> David, or Anyone,
<DIV></DIV>> Again, the newbie has questions. Two questions arose after reading your
<DIV></DIV>> letter.
<DIV></DIV>> 1. My boat is an older model and the goose neck is free floating....and has no
<DIV></DIV>> "position". What method of positioning the boom do newer boats have?
<DIV></DIV>> 2. This question is more important because I was going to be making a new
<DIV></DIV>> rudder. The previous owner had made the one on there now. The rudder actually
<DIV></DIV>> pivots down so far that it goes slightly past vertical and starts to angle
<DIV></DIV>> foreward. Is this by design?
<DIV></DIV>> Todd
<DIV></DIV>> Please respond to sprocket80@hotmail.com
<DIV></DIV>> From: "David Walker"
<DIV></DIV>> Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
<DIV></DIV>> To:
<DIV></DIV>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm
<DIV></DIV>> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:16:41 -0400
<DIV></DIV>> Joe, the weather helm you are experiencing is most likely due to the
<DIV></DIV>> heeling. When the hull heels its geomtry relative to the water changes
<DIV></DIV>> inducing whether helm. The is acutally a good thing, as when the rig gets
<DIV></DIV>> overpowered, the boat will autmatically tend to head up and luff the sails.
<DIV></DIV>> On my boat with moderate wind I can sail the 175 all the way out (full main
<DIV></DIV>> of course) and if I can keep her from heeling too much she is well balanced.
<DIV></DIV>> The amount of wind you can do this in will depend on your "movable
<DIV></DIV>> balllast". As you reef the jib, you should match with reelfing the main.
<DIV></DIV>> Many on the list will reccomend lowering the boom to the lower position as a
<DIV></DIV>> first reef. This will lower the COE of the main, but as the jib is 2x the
<DIV></DIV>> size of the main, its benefit is small.
<DIV></DIV>> Obvious, but also check to make sure the rudder is all the way down (leading
<DIV></DIV>> edge actually ahead of the pivot line).
<DIV></DIV>> Dave Walker
<DIV></DIV>> SV Windswept
<DIV></DIV>> ----- Original Message -----
<DIV></DIV>> From: "Ware, Joseph W."
<DIV></DIV>> To: "List Rhodes (E-mail)"
<DIV></DIV>> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 3:55 PM
<DIV></DIV>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Balanced Helm
<DIV></DIV>>> > I have an IMF and 175 Genny. Under about 100% Genny the helm is balanced.
<DIV></DIV>>> > When the Genny is pulled all the way out, and healing, there is a good
<DIV></DIV>>> > amount of weather helm. I have to push the tiller hard to keep her going
<DIV></DIV>>> > straight. Is normal, or is my rig set up wrong?
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<DIV></DIV>>> > Joe
<DIV></DIV>>> > S/V Whisper
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