[Rhodes22-list] Document library

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Dear Rhodies:

We will try to respond to your thread re some of GBI's policies in an
unconventional manner - a series of e-mails tied to the issue of the
particular Rhodes owner.

Response #4

Ed is correct.

One, there is and never was, detailed manuals for Rhodes boats.  Roger
refused to work for us because in the scheme of things, we can't
possibly make a big enough mark on this world.

And two, we keep changing the boat based on owners' feedback and, on our
own middle of the night inspirations.  We have been building this
particular boat for 33 years and are going to continue building it until
we get it right.

The manual(s), as mentioned, are merely essays about the Rhodes and its
support systems.

stan/gbi

Toad the Wet Sprocket wrote:

>
>
>
> Ed,  Thanks for clearing that up.
>
>  Please respond to sprocket80@hotmail.com From: "Ed Kroposki"
> Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
> To:
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Document library
> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:58:05 -0400
> Rummy:
> Gee, Toad can even buy pictures of how your boat is rigged.
> Best not tell him that every Rhodes22 that I have seen is different
> from everyother. How many are there on Hartwell Lake? I guess mine
> comes close to yours at first glance. But it doesn't take a minute to
> start finding differences. The three Rhodes at Big Water are only
> similar in the shape of the hull. How do you tell somebody that any
> parts list for a Rhodes22 is good only for one Rhodes22? These are not
> like Chevy's or Ford's, where there was a large run on an assembly
> line. When somebody wants a Rhodes from Stan, he ask what do you want,
> then produces that individual boat. Many of the unique parts are
> supplied by buyer. How many Rhodes have the same compass? Or even the
> Compass in the same place?
> For Stan each Rhodes22 is a piece of Art. And to further complicate
> the change of equipment, Stan gets up in the wee hours of the morning
> experimenting with new and different things on the Rhodes.
> How many boat shows has Stan gone to? I believe that Stan himself said
> that he goes around looking for new equipment, ideas and then tries to
> see if they will work with the Rhodes22.
> Now after 30+ years of evolution, he is asked for an equipment and
> parts list? Back in July, I stood next to a 1974 Rhodes22. Its hull
> was shaped like my 1984. But I looked at the boat I.D. plate to be
> 100% certain it really was an early brother.
> Earlier this year I toured a 2002 Rhodes22. The hull was shaped like
> my boat. And the IMF and Genoa were rigged similarly to my boat. But
> feature wise it was like a camel and a cow.
> Ed K
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Toad the Wet Sprocket
> To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 2:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Document library
> Dear Rummy or whatever,
> I'm not pouting. I am just a little frustrated when I can get very
> little info from the mfg of the boat I have. GB is a very small
> company. This I understand. When I called, I was told there no owner's
> manuals or parts manuals for a boat as old as mine. (maybe it was made
> before Stan started making the Rhodes) Owners here on this list all
> each other out. Someone was kind enough to scan their owner's manual
> and offer it to MMeltzer who had it converted to a pdf file and shared
> it with us all. There are no pictures and many mistakes made by the
> OCR software. I was re-typing it in my spare time so I could possibly
> send it back out in a corrected Word format. Some one asked if this
> would be violating copyrights for a manual that Stan doesn't offer.
> Stan surely got all rights to this literature when he bought the
> company. If Stan printed a tech man ual for a boat as old as mine with
> diagrams, drawings and close-up pictures of the systems,rigging and
> hardware, and sail and rig tuning information I would gladly buy it
> and have it delivered overnight. What I know about sailing and
> sailboats wouldn't fill a thimble. I am at the mercy of all here and
> rely on the experience and expertise of other owners. I called GB
> because Stan is the "guru" and all I got was one word answers and told
> to "e-mail me". first response was next day....folow up was 2 weeks. I
> am desperate for information which GB doesn't have and someone sending
> a copy of their old owner's manual is against the law. And I am wrong
> for being frustrated??????
> Sprocket or whatever
> Please respond to sprocket80@hotmail.com
> From: R22RumRunner@aol.com
> Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
> To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Document library
> Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:25:04 EDT
> Dear Sprocket or whatever,
> I don't understand you. You ask questions of this list which is
> comprised of
> owners, not the manufacturer and when you get answers you don't like,
> you
> pout. GET OVER IT. If you want help, play nice or take your boat and
> go
> elsewhere.
> Rummy
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Dear Rhodies:
We will try to respond to your thread re some of GBI's policies in an
unconventional manner - a series of e-mails tied to the issue of the particular
Rhodes owner.
Response #4
Ed is correct.
One, there is and never was, detailed manuals for Rhodes boats.&nbsp;
Roger refused to work for us because in the scheme of things, we can't
possibly make a big enough mark on this world.
And two, we keep changing the boat based on owners' feedback and, on
our own middle of the night inspirations.&nbsp; We have been building this
particular boat for 33 years and are going to continue building it until
we get it right.
The manual(s), as mentioned, are merely essays about the Rhodes and
its support systems.
stan/gbi
Toad the Wet Sprocket wrote:
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<div style='background-color:'>&nbsp;
 &nbsp;
Ed,&nbsp; Thanks for clearing that up.
 &nbsp;
 &nbsp;Please respond to <a href="mailto:sprocket80@hotmail.com">sprocket80@hotmail.com</a>&nbsp;From:
"Ed Kroposki"&nbsp;<KROPOSKI@INNOVA.NET>
 Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
 To:&nbsp;<RHODES22-LIST@RHODES22.ORG>
 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Document library
 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:58:05 -0400
 Rummy:
 Gee, Toad can even buy pictures of how your boat is rigged.
 Best not tell him that every Rhodes22 that I have seen is different
from everyother. How many are there on Hartwell Lake? I guess mine comes
close to yours at first glance. But it doesn't take a minute to start finding
differences. The three Rhodes at Big Water are only similar in the shape
of the hull. How do you tell somebody that any parts list for a Rhodes22
is good only for one Rhodes22? These are not like Chevy's or Ford's, where
there was a large run on an assembly line. When somebody wants a Rhodes
from Stan, he ask what do you want, then produces that individual boat.
Many of the unique parts are supplied by buyer. How many Rhodes have the
same compass? Or even the Compass in the same place?
 For Stan each Rhodes22 is a piece of Art. And to further complicate
the change of equipment, Stan gets up in the wee hours of the morning experimenting
with new and different things on the Rhodes.
 How many boat shows has Stan gone to? I believe that Stan himself said
that he goes around looking for new equipment, ideas and then tries to
see if they will work with the Rhodes22.
 Now after 30+ years of evolution, he is asked for an equipment and
parts list? Back in July, I stood next to a 1974 Rhodes22. Its hull was
shaped like my 1984. But I looked at the boat I.D. plate to be 100% certain
it really was an early brother.
 Earlier this year I toured a 2002 Rhodes22. The hull was shaped like
my boat. And the IMF and Genoa were rigged similarly to my boat. But feature
wise it was like a camel and a cow.
 Ed K
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Toad the Wet Sprocket
 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
 Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 2:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Document library
 Dear Rummy or whatever,
 I'm not pouting. I am just a little frustrated when I can get very
little info from the mfg of the boat I have. GB is a very small company.
This I understand. When I called, I was told there no owner's manuals or
parts manuals for a boat as old as mine. (maybe it was made before Stan
started making the Rhodes) Owners here on this list all each other out.
Someone was kind enough to scan their owner's manual and offer it to MMeltzer
who had it converted to a pdf file and shared it with us all. There are
no pictures and many mistakes made by the OCR software. I was re-typing
it in my spare time so I could possibly send it back out in a corrected
Word format. Some one asked if this would be violating copyrights for a
manual that Stan doesn't offer. Stan surely got all rights to this literature
when he bought the company. If Stan printed a tech man ual for a boat as
old as mine with diagrams, drawings and close-up pictures of the systems,rigging
and hardware, and sail and rig tuning information I would gladly buy it
and have it delivered overnight. What I know about sailing and sailboats
wouldn't fill a thimble. I am at the mercy of all here and rely on the
experience and expertise of other owners. I called GB because Stan is the
"guru" and all I got was one word answers and told to "e-mail me". first
response was next day....folow up was 2 weeks. I am desperate for information
which GB doesn't have and someone sending a copy of their old owner's manual
is against the law. And I am wrong for being frustrated??????
 Sprocket or whatever
 Please respond to sprocket80@hotmail.com
 From: R22RumRunner@aol.com
 Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
 To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Document library
 Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:25:04 EDT
 Dear Sprocket or whatever,
 I don't understand you. You ask questions of this list which is comprised
of
 owners, not the manufacturer and when you get answers you don't like,
you
 pout. GET OVER IT. If you want help, play nice or take your boat and
go
 elsewhere.
 Rummy
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