[Rhodes22-list] surveying

[Rik Sandberg]

Gene,

As long as I'm at it, I'll throw in my 2 cents worth too. I bought our 1995 
R22 (recycled by Stan in 1999) in June of 1999. Stan offered a 2 year 
guarantee that the boat would be free of structural defects. This is the 
same as his new boat warranty. Ask most anyone here, we are almost all 
owners, Stan does a good job of standing behind his warranty. Just my 
opinion now; if I were going to buy a boat from Catalina or Compac, for 
instance, I wouldn't send a surveyor over to their shop to survey the boat. 
They are the builders and they are offering you a warranty, same as Stan 
and General boats. If you go with a recycled, save your 4 or 5 hundred 
bucks for some cool boat stuff.

If I were buying a boat, no matter what brand, from a private party or a 
broker, now that's a whole 'nother thing. Unless I already knew the boat 
very well, I would have a surveyor involved in the purchase. The surveyors 
unbiased opinions and knowledge of the cost of repairs and values can be a 
very valuable asset to someone who might be "smitten" by a boat. In this 
case it might save you from buying "a lot of work and extra expense".

Here's another opinion I've formed since I've owned my R 22: I don't 
believe you will find another 22 foot boat, designed to do what the R22 is 
designed for (lake and coastal cruising), that is built any more solidly 
than an R22. Go to a boat show, compare for yourself, you won't watch this 
hull oil can when you lean on it, nor will you make this deck flex when you 
jump on it.

Kind of full of opinions, ain't I??  :-) :-)

Hope this helps,

Rik


At 05:06 PM 12/14/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Gene, I've run my MJM decoder ring for you. :-) Rik  (Michael knows these 
>boat inside out, but he doesn't spell so good)  :-)
>
>>it's a hard call on a 22, the surveyor is only checking the hull/decks 
>>and maybe some wood rot in the cabin, there is no diesel, the water 
>>system is dead simple, same for the electrical system and it's trailer 
>>rigging. Worse yet, a surveyor will not pick up the more PITA problems 
>>(port leaks, chain plate leaks, center board problems etc....), I've seen 
>>some even miss a soft deck, or not take the boat apart to really see 
>>things. Is it worth 500$, this is a very hard call.
>>
>>Some advice for what it's worth: buy a boat recycled by Stan or a new 
>>boat from someone else. The problem, is that you have not owned a boat 
>>before. I can see you have been doing some reading but let me tell you 
>>what is not in the books. Doing work on a boat is a pain-in-the-ass. The 
>>condition depends on the maintenance habits of the pervious owner (it 
>>only takes a year or two of non-maintenance to trash a boat). People stop 
>>doing maintenance while selling a boat, unlike most other projects, like 
>>home projects, the foundation counts more than the finish work (I am 
>>assuming your are handy), and can get expensive very quickly. What happen 
>>is people buy used boats assuming "they can rebuild it" saving allot of 
>>money. You never save money because you are learning and small projects 
>>expand into a giant one as the boat is being taken apart and more 
>>problems are found. A lot of the time people walk away from "half 
>>finished" projects. Worse yet they never get the love for sailing because 
>>all their free time is spent boat building. Let the next boat be a "used 
>>one" after you've had a few years learning the "deal", there will be 
>>enough mantenance even on a new or recycled boat to learn on.
>>
>>MJM
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "gene phares" <shoejg@yahoo.com>
>>To: "rhodes 22 forum" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>>Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 3:27 PM
>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] surveying
>>
>>
>> > Some big,big  percentage of info on buying a boat,even new boats, is 
>> to have it surveyed by a qualified marine surveyor,not the
>>manufacturer, before closing. Seems like good insurance to me. what are 
>>your opinions?  Also is this 'must have book for 1st time
>>buyers with no boat construction experience? thanx, gene from bloomsburg,pa
>> >
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