[Rhodes22-list] FW: [rhodes-list] New list

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Schultz 
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 16:36
To: 'rhodes-list@sailnet.net'
Cc: Sam Boyle
Subject: RE: [rhodes-list] New list

Michael -- Well put.

Sam -- I second the appriciation for what you have done.  I have been a
subscriber (under various email addresses) to this list for around 3 years,
and I used other Sailnet lists prior to that.  The lists have always been a
valuable source of information to me.

I also commend the content at sailnet.com.  I can spend all day reading
articles if I'm not careful.  I especially like Kretschmer's stories.  I
will continue to be a regular visitor to the site.

I work for a company that manages an application service over the web for
lenders.  Our software is "mission-critical," so I'm well versed with the
problems and challenges of keeping software live, fast, reliable, and
fault-tolarent 24x7.  Sailnet has done very well.  It isn't easy.

Thanks for all that you have done for the online sailing community, and for
all that you will cocntinue to do.

Ben Schultz
Baton Rouge, LA

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Meltzer [mailto:mjm@michaelmeltzer.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 14:20
To: rhodes-list@sailnet.net
Cc: Sam Boyle
Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] New list

Sam when you are right you are right. I am sorry for any action that you
took offence with or generated any ill will. That was not my intention here.
We have been here for many years(6+-) with only respect for you providing
this service. I was under the impression that his was a public server of
sailnet, an expense that you have born most garishly. You have given us a
place to meet, talk and share time and boating knloage together. I (we)
Thank You.

What happened was born from "Frustration", the list has become very
importnat for out lives and the lostmail, delays, outages have been a
problem. I think also it came from not being able to reach anyone when thier
is a problem, to control bad behaver on the list and the policys that kept
cutting down attachments.

For what it is worth, I do belive in you, I an the one who put in and
maintains the link on the rhonde22.com that has sent traffic here for the
last 6 years. I bought equimint from sailnet over the years. I think in
fairness I added a footer to the new list   "http://www.sailnet.com/ --
Where Sailors Get It!", thought it was the right thing to do. Also I would
be happy to add any user id that you wish so people could get your weekly
store mailer, again it is the right thing to do. (have your sysadmin email,
takes a few miniutes to do).

Who never know we might all be back, never know when I go down :-)

MJM
PS. The computer guy in me wants to subject you show your systems guy this
letter.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Boyle" <sboyle@sailnet.com>
To: <rhodes-list@sailnet.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 1:26 PM
Subject: RE: [rhodes-list] New list

Been following this thread with a growing sense of disappointment.

People are certainly free to spend time on any list they choose.  That said,
I have to question the "manners" of using our resources to promote something
else...  seems a tad bit like biting the hand that's fed this list for
years...

If folks want to leave then we wish you well.  We are asking that you take
that discussion elsewhere and that we have no more of this "guiding people
to the new list" stuff.  It just feels bad.

Regards,

-- Sam

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     http://www.sailnet.com/ -- Where Sailors Get It!
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Subject: RE: [rhodes-list] New list
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:13:00 -0400
From: Paul Grandholm <PAUL@mi.chtechnology.com>
To: rhodes-list@sailnet.net

Michael,

      Please forgive a dumb question from a relatively computer
challenged guy.  I'm already overloaded with emails so I'm not inclined
to stay on both lists, but I don't want to miss anything either.  What I
think you're advising us to do is to unsubscribe from the sailnet list
and subscribe to your new list.  Is that correct?  Is the correct timing
to do that right now?  Please let me know & I'll make the switch.  Also,
thanks for all the behind-the-scenes work you must have put into to this.

Paul

>I suspect that most of the new members come from the rhodes22.com link
page,
> frankly is hard to spot sailnets lists their site is focused more on the
> store. If you are a "old-timer" you know, but a new person would be hard
> pressed.
>
>The link idea is a good one :-) I should have thought of it :-) the problem
> is mime is a pain-in-the-ass, the day job is eating cycles right now, I
get
> to it soon(weekend maybe). For now the max size is 128k after that it
needs
> approval, should be ok to dailup at that size. I also need to "demine" and
> "dehtml" the stuff for the archive and dijest, got a script for that but
> need to drop it in :-)
>
>
>BTW rhodes22.org could use a home page. :-)
>
>MJM
>
>PS. ps people I will not cross post for long and you are missing stuff
> already :-)
>http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
>----- Original Message -----
>  From: Gardner, Douglas L. (LNG)
>  To: 'rhodes-list@sailnet.net'
>  Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 9:15 AM
>  Subject: RE: [rhodes-list] New list
>
>
>  I have worked closely with MJM in the past (setting up the photo site),
> and have complete confidence that this will be a superior list.
>
>  I do have 2 concerns, though.
>  1) The sailnet list probably gets more traffic from 'casual' browsers.
> How will new members find the new list?  One possibility... I'll probably
> stay subscribed to both. If a few others do the same, we can point people
> in the right direction.
>  2) I like the ability to send attachments, but there should be a size
> limit.  Some of us are still on a dial-up connection.  60k or so should be
> more than sufficient for a photo, and exceptions can be made on a
> case-by-ca se basis, based on expressed desire from list members.  A
future
> enhancement would be for MJM to dump all attachments into a directory and
> substitute with an URL pointing to it.  That way we could put just about
> anything up there and not bog down e-mail downloads.  (how do you like
that
> Michael? We're already writing requirements for release 2.0!  ;^)
>
>  Just a couple of thoughts.
>
>  --Doug
>
>  ps: OK, Michael.  Maybe its time we work on the photo site again?
>
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: Bill Effros [mailto:bill@effros.com]
>    Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 8:11 AM
>    To: rhodes-list@sailnet.net
>    Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] New list
>
>
>    YES!
>
>    Michael's new system works better than any system we have used before.
>
>    It is very very fast.
>
>    We can send attachments.
>
>    No ads.  No spam.
>
>    We can direct people to Rummy's list, Tom's FAQ, and various picture
> sites maintained by others.
>
>    We can write our own rules for what is appropriate for our list.
>
>    We can maintain our list so we don't have to rebuild it if the service
> provider loses or changes its service.
>
>    Michael has done an incredible job in a short period of time.  (This is
> standard procedure for MJM.)  Someone has helped him proofread his work.
> Thanks to that person or persons.
>
>    Click on the link & sign up:
>
>    http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
>    Make suggestions about how Michael can improve the way it works, the
> wording, etc.
>
>    This is truly our list.
>
>    I'm sure most of us will stay on the Sailnet list as well, but once
> you've seen the speed of a list working the way it should, you will find
it
> difficult to go back to snail email.
>
>    Bill Effros
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: Michael Meltzer
>      To: rhodes-list@sailnet.net
>      Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 1:36 AM
>      Subject: [rhodes-list] New list
>
>
>      Some people might have noticed some Strange messages on the list here
> what is happening.
>
>      Well everyone, we know what happen last weekend, the sailnet list
took
> a hit. Not liking the list being down I set up a new listserver under
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list .
>
>      1)It is a commercial grade server controlled by us
>      2)It is fast, message turnaround is under 1 minute, I make sure it
> stays that way(sailnet seems to be 2 hours)
>      3)attachment are ok(we control it)
>      4)The footer lines are for the list benefit, not to sell ad space
>      5)when people sign up they get the rhodes22 charter
>      6)The archive system is useable, bet even that will be improved
>      7)The control screen are simple and understandable
>      8)We control it to make it fit your needs
>
>      Well at this point I built it, it is open to all comers, are we ready
> for it?
>
>      MJM

========================
Paul Grandholm
C&H Technology
GrandPower Components Div.
========================

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Ben Schultz </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 16:36</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: 'rhodes-list@sailnet.net'</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: Sam Boyle</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: [rhodes-list] New list</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Michael -- Well put.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sam -- I second the appriciation for what you have =
done.&nbsp; I have been a subscriber (under various email addresses) to =
this list for around 3 years, and I used other Sailnet lists prior to =
that.&nbsp; The lists have always been a valuable source of information =
to me.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I also commend the content at sailnet.com.&nbsp; I =
can spend all day reading articles if I'm not careful.&nbsp; I =
especially like Kretschmer's stories.&nbsp; I will continue to be a =
regular visitor to the site.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I work for a company that manages an application =
service over the web for lenders.&nbsp; Our software is =
&quot;mission-critical,&quot; so I'm well versed with the problems and =
challenges of keeping software live, fast, reliable, and fault-tolarent =
24x7.&nbsp; Sailnet has done very well.&nbsp; It isn't easy.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks for all that you have done for the online =
sailing community, and for all that you will cocntinue to do.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Ben Schultz</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Baton Rouge, LA</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Michael Meltzer [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:mjm@michaelmeltzer.com">mailto:mjm@michaelmeltzer.com</A>=
]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 14:20</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: rhodes-list@sailnet.net</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: Sam Boyle</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] New list</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

Sam when you are right you are right. I am sorry for =
any action that you
 took offence with or generated any ill will. That =
was not my intention here.
 We have been here for many years(6+-) with only =
respect for you providing
 this service. I was under the impression that his =
was a public server of
 sailnet, an expense that you have born most =
garishly. You have given us a
 place to meet, talk and share time and boating =
knloage together. I (we)
 Thank You.

What happened was born from &quot;Frustration&quot;, =
the list has become very
 importnat for out lives and the lostmail, delays, =
outages have been a
 problem. I think also it came from not being able to =
reach anyone when thier
 is a problem, to control bad behaver on the list and =
the policys that kept
 cutting down attachments.

For what it is worth, I do belive in you, I an the =
one who put in and
 maintains the link on the rhonde22.com that has sent =
traffic here for the
 last 6 years. I bought equimint from sailnet over =
the years. I think in
 fairness I added a footer to the new =
list&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;<A HREF=3D"http://www.sailnet.com/" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.sailnet.com/</A> --
 Where Sailors Get It!&quot;, thought it was the =
right thing to do. Also I would
 be happy to add any user id that you wish so people =
could get your weekly
 store mailer, again it is the right thing to do. =
(have your sysadmin email,
 takes a few miniutes to do).

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Who never know we might all be back, never know when =
I go down :-)</FONT>
</P>

MJM
 PS. The computer guy in me wants to subject you show =
your systems guy this
 letter.

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>----- Original Message -----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: &quot;Sam Boyle&quot; =
&lt;sboyle@sailnet.com&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: &lt;rhodes-list@sailnet.net&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 1:26 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: [rhodes-list] New list</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Been following this thread with a growing sense of =
disappointment.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>People are certainly free to spend time on any list =
they choose.&nbsp; That said,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I have to question the &quot;manners&quot; of using =
our resources to promote something</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>else...&nbsp; seems a tad bit like biting the hand =
that's fed this list for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>years...</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>If folks want to leave then we wish you well.&nbsp; =
We are asking that you take</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>that discussion elsewhere and that we have no more =
of this &quot;guiding people</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to the new list&quot; stuff.&nbsp; It just feels =
bad.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Regards,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-- Sam</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>**************************************************************<=
/FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.sailnet.com/" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.sailnet.com/</A> -- Where Sailors Get =
It!</FONT>
<BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D2>**************************************************************<=
/FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>----------&nbsp; Forwarded Message&nbsp; =
----------</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: [rhodes-list] New list</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:13:00 -0400</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Paul Grandholm =
&lt;PAUL@mi.chtechnology.com&gt;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: rhodes-list@sailnet.net</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Michael,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Please forgive a dumb =
question from a relatively computer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>challenged guy.&nbsp; I'm already overloaded with =
emails so I'm not inclined</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to stay on both lists, but I don't want to miss =
anything either.&nbsp; What I</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>think you're advising us to do is to unsubscribe =
from the sailnet list</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and subscribe to your new list.&nbsp; Is that =
correct?&nbsp; Is the correct timing</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to do that right now?&nbsp; Please let me know &amp; =
I'll make the switch.&nbsp; Also,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>thanks for all the behind-the-scenes work you must =
have put into to this.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Paul</FONT>
</P>

&gt;I suspect that most of the new members come from =
the rhodes22.com link
 page,
 &gt; frankly is hard to spot sailnets lists their =
site is focused more on the
 &gt; store. If you are a &quot;old-timer&quot; you =
know, but a new person would be hard
 &gt; pressed.
 &gt;
 &gt;The link idea is a good one :-) I should have =
thought of it :-) the problem
 &gt; is mime is a pain-in-the-ass, the day job is =
eating cycles right now, I
 get
 &gt; to it soon(weekend maybe). For now the max size =
is 128k after that it
 needs
 &gt; approval, should be ok to dailup at that size. =
I also need to &quot;demine&quot; and
 &gt; &quot;dehtml&quot; the stuff for the archive =
and dijest, got a script for that but
 &gt; need to drop it in :-)
 &gt;
 &gt;
 &gt;BTW rhodes22.org could use a home page. =
:-)
 &gt;
 &gt;MJM
 &gt;
 &gt;PS. ps people I will not cross post for long and =
you are missing stuff
 &gt; already :-)
 &gt;<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list=
</A>
 &gt;
 &gt;----- Original Message -----
 &gt;&nbsp; From: Gardner, Douglas L. (LNG)
 &gt;&nbsp; To: 'rhodes-list@sailnet.net'
 &gt;&nbsp; Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 9:15 =
AM
 &gt;&nbsp; Subject: RE: [rhodes-list] New =
list
 &gt;
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp; I have worked closely with MJM in the =
past (setting up the photo site),
 &gt; and have complete confidence that this will be =
a superior list.
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp; I do have 2 concerns, though.
 &gt;&nbsp; 1) The sailnet list probably gets more =
traffic from 'casual' browsers.
 &gt; How will new members find the new list?&nbsp; =
One possibility... I'll probably
 &gt; stay subscribed to both. If a few others do the =
same, we can point people
 &gt; in the right direction.
 &gt;&nbsp; 2) I like the ability to send =
attachments, but there should be a size
 &gt; limit.&nbsp; Some of us are still on a dial-up =
connection.&nbsp; 60k or so should be
 &gt; more than sufficient for a photo, and =
exceptions can be made on a
 &gt; case-by-ca se basis, based on expressed desire =
from list members.&nbsp; A
 future
 &gt; enhancement would be for MJM to dump all =
attachments into a directory and
 &gt; substitute with an URL pointing to it.&nbsp; =
That way we could put just about
 &gt; anything up there and not bog down e-mail =
downloads.&nbsp; (how do you like
 that
 &gt; Michael? We're already writing requirements for =
release 2.0!&nbsp; ;^)
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp; Just a couple of thoughts.
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp; --Doug
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp; ps: OK, Michael.&nbsp; Maybe its time we =
work on the photo site again?
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -----Original =
Message-----
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; From: Bill Effros [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:bill@effros.com">mailto:bill@effros.com</A>]
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 =
8:11 AM
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; To: =
rhodes-list@sailnet.net
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] =
New list
 &gt;
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; YES!
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Michael's new system works =
better than any system we have used before.
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It is very very fast.
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; We can send =
attachments.
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; No ads.&nbsp; No spam.
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; We can direct people to =
Rummy's list, Tom's FAQ, and various picture
 &gt; sites maintained by others.
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; We can write our own rules =
for what is appropriate for our list.
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; We can maintain our list so =
we don't have to rebuild it if the service
 &gt; provider loses or changes its service.
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Michael has done an =
incredible job in a short period of time.&nbsp; (This is
 &gt; standard procedure for MJM.)&nbsp; Someone has =
helped him proofread his work.
 &gt; Thanks to that person or persons.
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Click on the link &amp; sign =
up:
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list=
</A>
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Make suggestions about how =
Michael can improve the way it works, the
 &gt; wording, etc.
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This is truly our =
list.
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm sure most of us will stay =
on the Sailnet list as well, but once
 &gt; you've seen the speed of a list working the way =
it should, you will find
 it
 &gt; difficult to go back to snail email.
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Bill Effros
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ----- Original =
Message -----
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; From: Michael =
Meltzer
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; To: =
rhodes-list@sailnet.net
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sent: Tuesday, =
July 23, 2002 1:36 AM
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Subject: =
[rhodes-list] New list
 &gt;
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Some people might =
have noticed some Strange messages on the list here
 &gt; what is happening.
 &gt;
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Well everyone, we =
know what happen last weekend, the sailnet list
 took
 &gt; a hit. Not liking the list being down I set up =
a new listserver under
 &gt; <A =
HREF=3D"http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list" =
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commercial grade server controlled by us
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message turnaround is under 1 minute, I make sure it
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hours)
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ok(we control it)
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to make it fit your needs
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point I built it, it is open to all comers, are we ready
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