[Rhodes22-list] FAQ

[Michael Meltzer]

it has a lot, but not a voting interface, but does have a simple search system :-) send me a password back channel and I set up up,
we sould play around a liitle with it before signingg off on alot of work.

BTW, anyone else want access(bill others?) might mean work.

MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Kaynor" <mark@kaynor.org>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] FAQ


> I'd like to add my two cents to this. One of the things my firm does is
> develop self-help collaborative Web-based workspaces. These spaces allow
> people from anywhere in the world to effectively contribute to and
> participate in a project.
>
> It's been my experience as a senior technical lead on several of these
> projects that a layered contributor / editor / superuser model, similar to
> the one Michael describes, works very well. It allows the contributors to
> have a sense of ownership that's missing from a more "top down" approach.
> The amount of work contributors can do to alleviate some of the load on the
> editors can be amazing. This frees up the editors to spend more time making
> the kind of decisions they need to to maintain the desired level of quality
> and continuity within the project.
>
> I need to look at what the software Michael has provided can do, but I would
> assume there is some sort of voting / jurying tool that can be applied to
> each potential entry. Anyone can submit , any of us who are interested can
> read, judge the worth of, and rate any given article, the editors can then
> review the results, make sure accepted articles are factually /
> grammatically correct, and post it in their areas.
>
> It works for me.
>
> And, Tom - thanks so much for doing all the work you've been doing on the
> FAQ - it has proven to be a valuable resource for me and from the reactions
> I'm seeing, to everyone else on this list, as well. It seems to me that this
> is an excellent opportunity to move the FAQ to the next level - to move
> beyond the current, flat, fairly static model and provide our community with
> an even more useful, searchable tool.
>
> Mark Kaynor
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Meltzer" <mjm@michaelmeltzer.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 1:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] FAQ
>
>
> > It can be any thing we want :-)
> >
> > The base system is a "tree" system, where each section(i.e. achors, anchor
> rodess, under seat storage) is owned by a person and/or a
> > group of people(password potectied), each section can have subsections
> and/or contain blocks of text.. people can update, add,delete
> > and can update sections/blocks of text. That's relly all it is. The tick
> is how access control is applied based on the password,
> > Thier is a full RCS system that handle people working on the same area at
> the same time.. Thier is no reson tom can not be in charge
> > of it.
> >
> > think in term of access rights:(this is only an example, it change be
> changed)
> > everyone can appended blocks of text and can change the text they added.
> > moderators can add/delete/update text blocks, crate new sections, move
> section around(for area they control)
> > supper moderatorsd can cross moderators bonderers,
> grant/revocate/reassigned modertors, plue althe reguaare moderator stuff
> >
> >  Norw could we kill the everyone option, sure. could we make all
> moderators, suppermoderators, sure, could we put all files in the
> > same moderator group, sure.
> > Like I said, the whole thing is how you grant the access rights.
> >
> > Tom, I do under stand how much work it takes, Just trying to be helpful,
> but it will be your call and the groups what is going to
> > happen here.
> >
> >
> > MJM
> >
> >
> > PS.
> > Here is the FAQ for the system. Please Read it, might answer some of the
> questions and fears. it doese a better jobs then I can do
> > http://faqomatic.sourceforge.net/fom-serve/cache/2.html
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rik Sandberg" <racerrik@rea-alp.com>
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 1:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] FAQ
> >
> >
> > > Tom, Bill, Michael, All,
> > >
> > > This leaves me with the question; is it possible to incorporate the
> features
> > > of the new program into the old FAQ site?????
> > >
> > > I certainly have no problem with Tom continuing to administer the FAQ.
> He
> > > has done an excellent job, in my mind, of both building and maintaining
> it.
> > > Yes, we haven't heard much from him lately, but we have to expect that a
> > > guy's going to get swamped once in a while and not have time for all
> this
> > > leisure stuff. It happens to me, I'm sure it happens to all of us at one
> > > time or another. So, Tom I hope you don't feel bad about that, or think
> > > that's the reason for our talking about this change.
> > >
> > > I believe that the change is being considered because we all understand
> that
> > > this is a lot of work and it may be a stretch to expect one person to be
> > > able to continue to do it all indefinitely.
> > >
> > > I do still have reservations concerning our allowing any and all members
> of
> > > the list to post entries to our FAQ. I agree that it would be a good
> thing
> > > if more than one person, or a committee of people, had access to it. The
> > > work of administering, editing, etc. should be spread out amongst the
> > > members of the group who are best able to help.
> > >
> > > Michael, I believe this is a question only you can answer. What are the
> > > possibilities here?
> > >
> > > Rik
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bill Effros" <bill@effros.com>
> > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 11:37 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] FAQ
> > >
> > >
> > > > A little more background:
> > > >
> > > > We discussed FAQ endlessly before Tom joined the list, and got almost
> > > > nowhere with it.  Then one day Tom simply grabbed the bull by the
> horns
> > > and
> > > > did it all himself.  It was an incredible piece of work, and neither
> the
> > > > people on the list before he arrived nor the people who have joined
> after
> > > he
> > > > compiled the FAQ can possibly thank him enough.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone who has contemplated this project understands how much work is
> > > > involved.  That's why we have all been so happy to say "Let Tom do
> it!"
> > > >
> > > > I think Michael, who has tried time and again to come up with
> methodology
> > > > for sharing the FAQ burden, has found some interesting software that
> will
> > > > take the entire responsibility off one person's shoulders and
> distribute
> > > it
> > > > a little more evenly, for the benefit of the list and everyone on it.
> > > >
> > > > I would be happy to help, and I've saved a lot of stuff.  I know many
> > > others
> > > > are in the same ... boat.
> > > >
> > > > There is no question in my mind that Tom has functioned very well as
> the
> > > top
> > > > level administrator, and that if he is willing to continue in that
> > > function
> > > > there couldn't be a better person.
> > > >
> > > > Others can slot in behind him.
> > > >
> > > > Who "owns" the FAQ, and who hosts it are of little concern to me as
> long
> > > as
> > > > it is always available to everyone.  If the person who has done the
> > > > overwhelming majority of the work derives some sort of benefit beyond
> the
> > > > satisfaction of the accomplishment,I, for one, have no problem with
> that.
> > > >
> > > > Bill Effros
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <LogicUnltd@aol.com>
> > > > To: <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:32 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] FAQ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello Everyone.
> > > >
> > > > Well, I guess I need to jump in and shoot my mouth off.
> > > >
> > > > For those that may not be aware of how the "old" FAQ pages came about,
> > > > please
> > > > allow me to provide a brief history. 2+ years ago I began on the
> > > > Rhodes-list,
> > > > I enjoyed reading all the emails and I collected several because they
> were
> > > > topics I was particularly interested in. There was a thread about
> starting
> > > a
> > > > FAQ site. I really wasn't aware of all the prior discussion; I was
> > > > interested
> > > > in web development, so I just jumped in. Put together a few ideas and
> > > edited
> > > > my collected emails into several FAQ topics. I then solicited the list
> for
> > > > people to send their collected emails, only a couple of people
> responded
> > > > most
> > > > notably - Doug. He did a lot of work organizing emails. See the proble
> m
> > > is,
> > > > people tend to ignore the subject line when they change topics. So
> someone
> > > > needs to cull through the emails to group them into topics. Doug did a
> > > great
> > > > job.
> > > >
> > > > After the first few months, I gave up soliciting for questions and/or
> > > > answers. So I set upon the task by myself of collecting emails by
> topic
> > > and
> > > > periodically formatting them into an html page and posting them. After
> a
> > > > couple of years my "excitement" for the task has faded a bit.
> Recently, 2
> > > > events have overwhelmed me and I frankly haven't done much. First,
> I've
> > > > gotten very busy at work, really too busy, but that should be changing
> in
> > > a
> > > > few weeks (normal business cycle). Second, I believe there has been an
> > > > explosion of off topic emails on the list. If I don't check my mailbox
> > > > regularly there are hundreds of emails, with all sorts of stuff. Which
> is
> > > > great socially, but just for piece of mind and saving time I sometimes
> > > just
> > > > delete without really reading and deciding if this could, maybe,
> hopefully
> > > > be
> > > > something for the FAQ site.
> > > >
> > > > As for MJM remarks about my not responding to his back channel emails
> > > about
> > > > the FAQ site. Yes, I ignored him. I was reluctant to give up something
> > > that
> > > > I
> > > > had worked many hours on and the second reason is a bit hard to
> explain.
> > > My
> > > > company blocks access to sites it deems non-business, but it doesn't
> block
> > > > sites hosted by yahoo (I really don't know why) So I can get to the
> "OLD"
> > > > site from my work but I can not access www.rhodes22.org from work. So
> > > again
> > > > I
> > > > was reluctant to give up access. I actually do look at stuff all the
> time
> > > on
> > > > the "OLD" site. Yeah I can do it from home. So I probably need to just
> > > > relax.
> > > > Another reason for not wanting to give up the site was that I simply
> > > enjoyed
> > > > working on it and felt that I was contributing to the group. I don't
> feel
> > > I
> > > > have much in the way of sailing expertise to offer so I was offering
> what
> > > I
> > > > could which was my web skills.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, what's my bottom line on the "NEW" FAQ page? I can see the
> great
> > > > potential in it. It would be great if everyone participated and worked
> at
> > > > contributing by offering thoughtful questions and/or answers. I
> challenge
> > > > everyone to do that. I hope we can realize that potential. I do think
> > > > someone
> > > > has to edit for content and appropriateness for the topic so I have my
> > > > doubts
> > > > about "self-managing".
> > > >
> > > > I look at other sailing groups web sites, I'm sure you all have, I
> believe
> > > > all the other site's FAQ have been administrated by a single person.
> > > Almost
> > > > all of them have pictures included within the text. So we can be the
> first
> > > > to
> > > > be "interactive" and self-administered. It will only succeed, if we
> all
> > > make
> > > > an effort to contribute. I will do what I can.
> > > >
> > > > I will still keep my "old" site, which I will update, I guess, for my
> > > > personal needs but everyone is always welcome.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for listening and visiting the site in the past.
> > > >
> > > > I need a beer
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards
> > > >
> > > > Tom Evans
> > > > S/V Tom's Foolery
> > > >
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