[Rhodes22-list] boat show recap

[DeWald, Michael Roy]

Thanks for the response.  Your right on the price items. There wasn't a
Compac 23 at the show since that size comparison would have been closer. I
currently use a V8 Explore for towing. The boat will be kept in a slip but
needs to be trailerable at the end of the season.  I like the 22' size
because I can also tow in to other sailing areas when the lakes get to low
in PA.  I loved all the features of the Rhodes, my wife like the room of the
25'.  I want to keep sailing easy and fun, not work. My biggest fear of a
bigger boat is I don't want sailing to become a chore.  More expense,
maintenance, trying to find crew to help me sail her, etc... 

Mike DeWald
Door and Window Company
Mt Wolf, PA


-----Original Message-----
From: Rik Sandberg [mailto:racerrik@rea-alp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 9:49 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] boat show recap

Mike,

Hey, I think we all wish pretty much the same as you. But, you just can't 
get a 25 foot boat inside a 22 foot boat. To be realistic about it, the 
Compac 25 is, in round numbers, roughly 15% (about 3 feet) larger than an 
R22. Given equal cockpit and v-berth size size, this allows the cabin of 
the CP 25 to be 3 feet longer. when you take boat size @ 22 feet, subtract 
an 8 foot cockpit and a 6 1/2 foot v-berth this leaves about 7 1/2 feet for 
cabin space. Doing the same for a 25 footer you will get 10.5 feet. this is 
almost a 40% increase in room that could be used for accommodations. I 
would bet though that it also translates into a 40% increase in the base 
price of the boat. This is probably going to get you from the under $40,000 
price range (pretty nice R22), to the $55,000 - $60,000 price range, for a 
new boat. Used boats will probably follow about the same percentages. How 
big is your wallet????

Trailering. #3000 R22 vs #4800 Compac 25. If you want to leave her in the 
water all the time, it isn't going to matter too much to you. If you want 
to trailer on a regular basis, you will be able to figure on 4800 for the 
boat, another 1000 for gear and about 1500 for the trailer, or almost 7500# 
towing weight for the CP 25, compared to about 4500# for an R22. Better 
have a pretty good truck for this. I tow my R22 with an S-10 Chevy V6. 
Don't think I'd try that with a CP 25. I don't know what kind of vehicle 
you have or how "towing friendly" you are. But here again, the size of your 
wallet is a pretty big factor.

Setup, launching/retrieving, Don't know what the rig is like on a CP 25. I 
do know that an R22 is pretty well thought out for setup and take down. 
They planned to be trailering a lot when they built the boat. I would 
expect to find that this is probably not the case for the CP 25.  Not that 
this is a bad thing, it depends on how you want to use YOUR boat. Most R22 
owners can set up/take down in under an hour.

Also in the R22's favor, you can buy a used boat right from the factory. 
Haven't seen anyone else that does this.

So, bottom line is, what do you expect from your boat. I think CPs are 
pretty darn well built as well as very pretty boats. Some folks tell me 
that they are pretty much dogs in light air though (advantage R22 again, 
compare sail area to weight), but build quality wise, they seem about 
comparable. If you want to compare boat for boat though, you will need to 
get closer in size. If you compare a CP 23 to an R22 that would be more 
reasonable. You won't find the "comfort stuff" in the CP 23 that there is 
in an R22. Can't compare a 22 foot boat to a 25 foot boat, apples and
oranges.

Hope this helps. Oh, here's a review from a CP 25 owner, notice the LWL is 
only 1 foot longer. And, the interior height is 5' 9". With the R22, poptop 
up, interior height is 6' 4". CP probably doesn't have a poptop. Also no 
IMF, or centerboard.

Rik
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Shallow draft (30 inches), fixed keel sloop, nicely appointed interior. 
Basically a small version of the ComPac 27. Can be trailered, although 
setup/take down time would be formidable (also 6000lbs+trailer weight). LOA 
is 27 ft, LWL is 21 ft. Interior height is about 5ft 9in.

Strengths: Well-mannered coastal cruiser, very-well built by a company that 
stands by its products. Often mistaken for a Pacific Seacraft Dana. High 
quality finish, rigging over built. Easy sailor with almost neutral helm. 
Very good for shallow water coastal cruising. Options include marine head, 
pressurized water, hot water, inboard. Diesel is a 12 hp Westerbeke -- 
shakes some, but very reliable. Turns in own length. Cockpit very dry.

Weaknesses: With tiller steering, the propwash from the diesel makes the 
helm somewhat unstable, i.e., you must hold onto the tiller at all times. 
Tiller autopilot is a must for long motor trips. Not a racer, slow to wind. 
Vee Berth smallish for those over 6ft 2 in.

Satisfaction: Very high. Would not hesitate to buy it again.

SPECIFICATIONS *
LOA - 28'2" *
LOD - 25'0" *
LWL - 21'0" *
BEAM - 8'6" *
DRAFT - 2'6" *
DISP. - 4,800 lb *
TOTAL SAIL AREA 308 sq ft
DESIGNER: Hutchins Group

$66,049.36 (I think this price is in Euros. Times 90% should be a pretty 
close conversion to USD)




At 07:46 AM 10/16/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>My wife and I were at the show on Monday.  The day was beautiful and the
>show was not crowded.  We had the pleasure of meeting Elton and going for a
>test sail with Stan. Our main purpose of going to the show was to see the
>Rhodes 22 and I was very impressed.  I loved the way the boat sailed.  The
>control from the IMF and the roller furler genoa was wonderful.  We started
>out with the boat flat and increased sail as we went.  My wife really liked
>how easy it was to decrease the sail area to reduce heeling. She gets
really
>nervous when the boat leans. Stan and Elton were very helpful and a real
joy
>to talk with.  Since we currently own an Oday 22, the question becomes if
we
>buy a new boat shouldn't it be bigger than another 22 foot boat?  We also
>liked the salty looks and the room inside the Compac 25.  The price to buy
>either boat new is out of the question, so the used or recycled market is
>more realistic.  We felt very safe and in control in the Rhodes, I just
wish
>it had the interior room of the Compac. We usually only day sail but would
>like to make some longer trips on the bay with the right boat.  We are
about
>1 year away from buying our next boat and the Rhodes is still at the top of
>my next boat list.  The support for the boat from this group and the
feeling
>of safety while sailing her make a strong case for owning a Rhodes.
>
>Sincerly
>
>Mike DeWald
>Door and Window Company
>Mt Wolf, PA
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ben Schultz [mailto:BenS@ApproSystems.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:08 PM
>To: Rhodes List (E-mail)
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boat show recap
>
>Sorry that I didn't see more of you (didn't even get a chance to meet Stan)
>this weekend.  There was just sooo much to see and do, that I couldn't
>justify hanging around the boat that I know and love already.  Elton did
>talk me out of trying to check a bimini with the airline, which leaves me
to
>figure out how I'm going to aviod roasting through another Louisiana
summer,
>but at least I have 9 months to worry about it.
>
>I had hoped to scout a place to get a pint of beer and watch the Tigers
play
>Florida, and then go issue a general invitation to the Rhodies, but the
only
>spot I could find seemed to be about 5 miles from the tube, so I ended up
>back in my hotel to watch.  The admiral fell asleep, so I couldn't even
roar
>and cheer like I wanted to when we chose not to run up the score at the
end.
>
>I am really envious of those of you who live in the area.  What great
>sailing grounds Chesapeake appears to be -- especially for a boat like the
>Rhodes 22!  I will definitely find my way back.
>
>Ben
>
>
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