[Rhodes22-list] Politics

[Steve]

Todd
I agree, your wrong.
--- Todd Tavares <sprocket80@mail.com> wrote:
> Roger,
> 
> 
>     Well stated!   With one exception.  Abraham
> Lincoln.   Maryland was a northern state with
> southern sympathy (and slavery).  Because Washington
> DC, the capital of the Union was partially in
> Maryland,  President Lincoln suspended the writ if
> habius corpus (sp?) and jailed Maryland Legislators,
> most district court judges, and even some sherriffs
> for the entire length of the Civil War without
> cause.  This breach of law, and not slavery, was one
> of the root issues that incited people like John
> Wilkes Booth. This is not something you will read in
> history books.  
>      Since the Confederacy was losing, it was
> treasonous murder.  Had they been winning?  who
> knows?  Justification for having the Second
> Amendment...definitely not....but close.  
> 
>      Like Dennis Miller says, "just my opinion....I
> could be wrong."
> 
> Todd
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Pihlaja" <cen09402@centurytel.net>
> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:39:11 -0500
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
> <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics
> 
> 
> > Steve,
> > 
> > As one of the requirements to earn their Eagle
> Scout rank, Scouts must earn
> > 21 merit badges, of which 11 are required.  Three
> of these 11 required merit
> > badges have to do with citizenship; Citizenship In
> The World, Citizenship In
> > The Nation, & Citizenship In The World.  Over the
> years I've been an adult
> > leader, I've taught all three citizenship merit
> badges several times each.
> > 
> > When I teach the Citizenship In The Nation merit
> badge, we have a detailed
> > discussion of the U.S. Constitution, including the
> Bill Of Rights.  Many of
> > my Scouts come from antigun families & just as
> many come from families that
> > are active hunters.  So, the discussion on the 2nd
> Amendment usually gets
> > pretty spirited!
> > 
> > We talk about the abuses in England and other
> parts of Europe in the 17th &
> > 18th centuries vs. conditions in the new world
> that led up to the
> > incorporation of the 2nd Amendment.  We talk about
> the important Supreme
> > Court decisions which have interpreted the 2nd
> Amendment over the years.
> > 
> > Certainly, there are a lot of downsides to having
> such easy gun access in
> > this country, particularly these days when guns
> have gotten so reliable,
> > lethal, easy to conceal, & simple to use. 
> However, I make the point to my
> > Scouts that the 2nd Amendment is really the
> ultimate safeguard over all the
> > other liberties spelled out in the U.S.
> Constitution.  With only a few
> > remarkable exceptions like George Washington,
> Thomas Jefferson, and Abraham
> > Lincoln; any politician seeking the power of
> public office is intrinsically
> > not to be trusted with it.  No matter what the
> politician says during the
> > election campaign, it is very difficult to know
> how they will actually act
> > once they get elected.  The 3 stellar political
> examples I cited above only
> > get that accolade based upon the judgment of
> history.  The ballet box is a
> > very weak deterrent on the abuse of power.  But,
> having an entire population
> > armed to the teeth automatically precludes the
> worst excesses of any
> > politician's greed or extreme political ideas from
> being enacted into law.
> > The 2nd Amendment is the final guarantee that
> government will be by the
> > consent of the governed.  This is all without
> firing a shot.
> > 
> > Anyone who claims we have gotten so civilized and
> so sophisticated that we
> > don't need the 2nd Amendment anymore is either
> naive or has frustrated
> > ambitions of power.  The safeguards which the 2nd
> Amendment provides for all
> > the other liberties spelled out in the U.S.
> Constitution make the casualties
> > worth the cost.
> > 
> > I get a lot of angry phone calls from antigun
> parents.  But, I never back
> > down from my position & point out that their sons
> have a right to hear
> > cogent arguements on both sides of the issue.  I
> never tell my Scouts what
> > to think.  James Madison made such an eloquent
> original case that I don't
> > have to.  So far, none of my Scouts have been
> forced to quit over this
> > issue, but there have been a couple of very close
> calls.
> > 
> > By the way, I also teach the Rifle & Shotgun
> Shooting merit badges.  These
> > merit badges are all about gun & hunting safety.
> Both merit badges have
> > challenging shooting tests with a minimum required
> score in order to earn
> > the badge.  Each of my sons have both merit badges
> & both are are excellent
> > shots.  They are also both very good with a
> handgun.
> > 
> > Despite Daniel & Gary's expertice and gun safety
> training, all of our guns &
> > ammunition are locked up in a gun safe.  My wife &
> I have the only keys.
> > 
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Alm" <salm@mn.rr.com>
> > To: <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:43 AM
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Politics
> > 
> > 
> > > First let me say that I have a profound distrust
> in all politicians from
> > > left to right.  They all have hidden agendas
> like keeping their jobs,
> > > wielding their power and controlling the money. 
> I realize how cynical
> > this
> > > sounds but the laws that are passed in this
> country have less to do with
> > the
> > > issues and more to do with "politicking."
> > >
> > > In the past, I've gone to the polls voting for
> whom I think is the best
> > for
> > > the country, state, or city.  But who am I to
> say what's best for everyone
> > > else?  These days I go to the polls and vote for
> what's best for my own
> > > household. Since my wife and I are both teachers
> and performing artists, I
> > > have to ask what the conservatives have done for
> (to) me lately.  Well, I
> > > guess I'll get to keep my firearms, so if
> anybody wants to shoot the piano
> > > player,  I just might shoot back...and I suppose
> that should make me feel
> > > better about America.  Maybe I'll even get to
> right off the bullets.
> > >
> > > True, while Mohammed and Salvo were out sniping,
> we didn't hear many
> > stories
> > > about other murders.  I doubt that many of you
> could name, off the top of
> > > your heads, a single murder victim in Los
> Angeles in the whole decade of
> > the
> > > nineties besides the two that were killed at a
> certain Brentwood estate.
> > I
> > > didn't hear anything about tighter knife-control
> then.  I think this all
> > > says a lot less about the law and a lot more
> about the media.  I want to
> > > vote out the incumbent TV producers!
> > >
> > > Slim
> > >
> > >
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