[Rhodes22-list] Document library
Michael Meltzer
rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Mon, 2 Sep 2002 03:49:22 -0400
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FYI,
The batch of Stan's messages where originally sent 8/31/02 around 7am, =
because he used a different address then the one that he is subscribed =
to the list with, they where help in the admination queue waiting on my =
return. I have added the new address he is using so this does not happen =
again to stan(Stan you need to take no action)
MJM
----- Original Message -----=20
From: General Boats=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Document library
Dear Rhodies:=20
We will try to respond to your thread re some of GBI's policies in an =
unconventional manner - a series of e-mails tied to the issue of the =
particular Rhodes owner.=20
Response #4=20
Ed is correct.=20
One, there is and never was, detailed manuals for Rhodes boats. Roger =
refused to work for us because in the scheme of things, we can't =
possibly make a big enough mark on this world.=20
And two, we keep changing the boat based on owners' feedback and, on =
our own middle of the night inspirations. We have been building this =
particular boat for 33 years and are going to continue building it until =
we get it right.=20
The manual(s), as mentioned, are merely essays about the Rhodes and =
its support systems.=20
stan/gbi=20
Toad the Wet Sprocket wrote:=20
=20
=20
Ed, Thanks for clearing that up.=20
=20
Please respond to sprocket80@hotmail.com From: "Ed Kroposki" =20
Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
To: =20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Document library=20
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:58:05 -0400=20
Rummy:=20
Gee, Toad can even buy pictures of how your boat is rigged.=20
Best not tell him that every Rhodes22 that I have seen is different =
from everyother. How many are there on Hartwell Lake? I guess mine comes =
close to yours at first glance. But it doesn't take a minute to start =
finding differences. The three Rhodes at Big Water are only similar in =
the shape of the hull. How do you tell somebody that any parts list for =
a Rhodes22 is good only for one Rhodes22? These are not like Chevy's or =
Ford's, where there was a large run on an assembly line. When somebody =
wants a Rhodes from Stan, he ask what do you want, then produces that =
individual boat. Many of the unique parts are supplied by buyer. How =
many Rhodes have the same compass? Or even the Compass in the same =
place?=20
For Stan each Rhodes22 is a piece of Art. And to further complicate =
the change of equipment, Stan gets up in the wee hours of the morning =
experimenting with new and different things on the Rhodes.=20
How many boat shows has Stan gone to? I believe that Stan himself =
said that he goes around looking for new equipment, ideas and then tries =
to see if they will work with the Rhodes22.=20
Now after 30+ years of evolution, he is asked for an equipment and =
parts list? Back in July, I stood next to a 1974 Rhodes22. Its hull was =
shaped like my 1984. But I looked at the boat I.D. plate to be 100% =
certain it really was an early brother.=20
Earlier this year I toured a 2002 Rhodes22. The hull was shaped like =
my boat. And the IMF and Genoa were rigged similarly to my boat. But =
feature wise it was like a camel and a cow.=20
Ed K=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Toad the Wet Sprocket=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 2:13 PM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Document library=20
Dear Rummy or whatever,=20
I'm not pouting. I am just a little frustrated when I can get very =
little info from the mfg of the boat I have. GB is a very small company. =
This I understand. When I called, I was told there no owner's manuals or =
parts manuals for a boat as old as mine. (maybe it was made before Stan =
started making the Rhodes) Owners here on this list all each other out. =
Someone was kind enough to scan their owner's manual and offer it to =
MMeltzer who had it converted to a pdf file and shared it with us all. =
There are no pictures and many mistakes made by the OCR software. I was =
re-typing it in my spare time so I could possibly send it back out in a =
corrected Word format. Some one asked if this would be violating =
copyrights for a manual that Stan doesn't offer. Stan surely got all =
rights to this literature when he bought the company. If Stan printed a =
tech man ual for a boat as old as mine with diagrams, drawings and =
close-up pictures of the systems,rigging and hardware, and sail and rig =
tuning information I would gladly buy it and have it delivered =
overnight. What I know about sailing and sailboats wouldn't fill a =
thimble. I am at the mercy of all here and rely on the experience and =
expertise of other owners. I called GB because Stan is the "guru" and =
all I got was one word answers and told to "e-mail me". first response =
was next day....folow up was 2 weeks. I am desperate for information =
which GB doesn't have and someone sending a copy of their old owner's =
manual is against the law. And I am wrong for being frustrated??????=20
Sprocket or whatever=20
Please respond to sprocket80@hotmail.com=20
From: R22RumRunner@aol.com=20
Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Document library=20
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:25:04 EDT=20
Dear Sprocket or whatever,=20
I don't understand you. You ask questions of this list which is =
comprised of=20
owners, not the manufacturer and when you get answers you don't =
like, you=20
pout. GET OVER IT. If you want help, play nice or take your boat and =
go=20
elsewhere.=20
Rummy=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>FYI,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The batch of Stan's messages where =
originally sent=20
8/31/02 around 7am, because he used a different address then the one =
that he is=20
subscribed to the list with, they where help in the admination queue =
waiting on=20
my return. I have added the new address he is using so this does not =
happen=20
again to stan(Stan you need to take no action)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MJM</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dwwrhodes@rhodes22.com =
href=3D"mailto:wwrhodes@rhodes22.com">General=20
Boats</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 31, 2002 =
7:08=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Rhodes22-list] =
Document=20
library</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Dear Rhodies:=20
<P>We will try to respond to your thread re some of GBI's policies in =
an=20
unconventional manner - a series of e-mails tied to the issue of the=20
particular Rhodes owner.=20
<P>Response #4=20
<P>Ed is correct.=20
<P>One, there is and never was, detailed manuals for Rhodes =
boats. Roger=20
refused to work for us because in the scheme of things, we can't =
possibly make=20
a big enough mark on this world.=20
<P>And two, we keep changing the boat based on owners' feedback and, =
on our=20
own middle of the night inspirations. We have been building this =
particular boat for 33 years and are going to continue building it =
until we=20
get it right.=20
<P>The manual(s), as mentioned, are merely essays about the Rhodes and =
its=20
support systems.=20
<P>stan/gbi=20
<P>Toad the Wet Sprocket wrote:=20
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D"CITE">
<DIV> <BR> =20
<P>Ed, Thanks for clearing that up. <BR> =
<BR> Please=20
respond to <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:sprocket80@hotmail.com">sprocket80@hotmail.com</A> Fr=
om:=20
"Ed Kroposki" <KROPOSKI@INNOVA.NET> <BR>Reply-To:=20
rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org <BR>To: <RHODES22-LIST@RHODES22.ORG> =
<BR>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Document library <BR>Date: Fri, 30 =
Aug 2002=20
19:58:05 -0400 <BR>Rummy: <BR>Gee, Toad can even buy pictures of how =
your=20
boat is rigged. <BR>Best not tell him that every Rhodes22 that I =
have seen=20
is different from everyother. How many are there on Hartwell Lake? I =
guess=20
mine comes close to yours at first glance. But it doesn't take a =
minute to=20
start finding differences. The three Rhodes at Big Water are only =
similar in=20
the shape of the hull. How do you tell somebody that any parts list =
for a=20
Rhodes22 is good only for one Rhodes22? These are not like Chevy's =
or=20
Ford's, where there was a large run on an assembly line. When =
somebody wants=20
a Rhodes from Stan, he ask what do you want, then produces that =
individual=20
boat. Many of the unique parts are supplied by buyer. How many =
Rhodes have=20
the same compass? Or even the Compass in the same place? <BR>For =
Stan each=20
Rhodes22 is a piece of Art. And to further complicate the change of=20
equipment, Stan gets up in the wee hours of the morning =
experimenting with=20
new and different things on the Rhodes. <BR>How many boat shows has =
Stan=20
gone to? I believe that Stan himself said that he goes around =
looking for=20
new equipment, ideas and then tries to see if they will work with =
the=20
Rhodes22. <BR>Now after 30+ years of evolution, he is asked for an =
equipment=20
and parts list? Back in July, I stood next to a 1974 Rhodes22. Its =
hull was=20
shaped like my 1984. But I looked at the boat I.D. plate to be 100% =
certain=20
it really was an early brother. <BR>Earlier this year I toured a =
2002=20
Rhodes22. The hull was shaped like my boat. And the IMF and Genoa =
were=20
rigged similarly to my boat. But feature wise it was like a camel =
and a cow.=20
<BR>Ed K <BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: Toad the Wet =
Sprocket=20
<BR>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org <BR>Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 =
2:13 PM=20
<BR>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Document library <BR>Dear Rummy or=20
whatever, <BR>I'm not pouting. I am just a little frustrated when I =
can get=20
very little info from the mfg of the boat I have. GB is a very small =
company. This I understand. When I called, I was told there no =
owner's=20
manuals or parts manuals for a boat as old as mine. (maybe it was =
made=20
before Stan started making the Rhodes) Owners here on this list all =
each=20
other out. Someone was kind enough to scan their owner's manual and =
offer it=20
to MMeltzer who had it converted to a pdf file and shared it with us =
all.=20
There are no pictures and many mistakes made by the OCR software. I =
was=20
re-typing it in my spare time so I could possibly send it back out =
in a=20
corrected Word format. Some one asked if this would be violating =
copyrights=20
for a manual that Stan doesn't offer. Stan surely got all rights to =
this=20
literature when he bought the company. If Stan printed a tech man =
ual for a=20
boat as old as mine with diagrams, drawings and close-up pictures of =
the=20
systems,rigging and hardware, and sail and rig tuning information I =
would=20
gladly buy it and have it delivered overnight. What I know about =
sailing and=20
sailboats wouldn't fill a thimble. I am at the mercy of all here and =
rely on=20
the experience and expertise of other owners. I called GB because =
Stan is=20
the "guru" and all I got was one word answers and told to "e-mail =
me". first=20
response was next day....folow up was 2 weeks. I am desperate for=20
information which GB doesn't have and someone sending a copy of =
their old=20
owner's manual is against the law. And I am wrong for being =
frustrated??????=20
<BR>Sprocket or whatever <BR>Please respond to =
sprocket80@hotmail.com=20
<BR>From: R22RumRunner@aol.com <BR>Reply-To: =
rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
<BR>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org <BR>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] =
Document=20
library <BR>Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:25:04 EDT <BR>Dear Sprocket or =
whatever, <BR>I don't understand you. You ask questions of this list =
which=20
is comprised of <BR>owners, not the manufacturer and when you get =
answers=20
you don't like, you <BR>pout. GET OVER IT. If you want help, play =
nice or=20
take your boat and go <BR>elsewhere. <BR>Rummy=20
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