[Rhodes22-list] Toad's WHOLE story as if anybody cares
Michael Meltzer
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Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:22:32 -0400
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what up you sitting their stewing, about this point I write a post =
explaining some facts of life on this list, 9 out of 10 time that is the =
being of the end for the member it is directed to. I do not have time =
for that now. Sorry people(It has great entertanment value). In the mean =
time please use this as an expample of how to write a complant, we do =
have to mantain standards, please make sure that the reply is as long
MJM
My duty to you, dear reader, constrains me to the disagreeable and =
almost painful task of giving you a significant amount of information =
that you may be unwilling to accept. I urge you to read the text that =
follows carefully, keeping an open mind, from the beginning to the end, =
and without skipping around. I further recommend that you take breaks, =
as many of the facts presented will take time to digest. The world is =
suffering from Mr. Todd Toad Sprocket's lack of faith in a =
transcendental truth. That shouldn't surprise you when you consider that =
he gives new meaning to the word "insipid". Sad, but true. And it'll =
only get worse if he finds a way to oppose the visceral views of 98 =
percent of the nation's citizens. However, Todd coins polysyllabic =
neologisms to make his words sound like they're actually important. In =
fact, his treatises are filled to the brim with words that have yet to =
appear in any accepted dictionary.=20
Now, perhaps you think I'm imagining things. Perhaps you think that he =
really isn't going to purge the land of every non-dastardly person, =
gene, idea, and influence. Well, I wish it were just my imagination. But =
you know, by refusing to act, by refusing to investigate his dishonest =
principles, ideals, and objectives, we are giving him the power to gum =
up what were once great ideas. While Todd puts on a good dog and pony =
show, if Fate desired that he make a correct application of what he had =
read about negativism, it would have to indicate title and page number, =
since the vexatious, semi-intelligible fool would otherwise never in all =
his life find the correct place. But since Fate does not do this, he is =
not as rapacious or discourteous as you might think. He's more so. At =
the risk of repeating myself, I must reiterate that if we let him take =
advantage of human fallibility to repeat the mistakes of the past, all =
we'll have to look forward to in the future is a public realm devoid of =
culture and a narrow and routinized professional life untouched by the =
highest creations of civilization.=20
For future reference, if I didn't think Todd would enact new laws =
forcing anyone who's not one of his apostles to live in an environment =
that can, at best, be described as contemptuously tolerant, I wouldn't =
say that some people say that that isn't sufficient evidence to prove =
that he is secretly scheming to turn thugs loose against us good =
citizens. And I must agree; one needs much more evidence than that. But =
the evidence is there, for anyone who isn't afraid to look at it. Just =
look at the way that far too many people tolerate his utterances as long =
as they're presented in small, seemingly harmless doses. What these =
people fail to realize, however, is that when Todd tells us that the =
Eleventh Commandment is, "Thou shalt help mudslinging fugitives evade =
capture by the authorities", he somehow fails to mention that I take =
seriously the view that his apologists are easily manipulated. He fails =
to mention that except for a few bright spots, his teachings are totally =
birdbrained. And he fails to mention that I'm not a psychiatrist. =
Sometimes, though, I wish I were, so that I could better understand what =
makes people like him want to maintain social control by eliminating =
rights and freedoms. To put it crudely, Todd's lackeys compress Todd's =
memoranda into brief, highly reductive, definitive-sounding phrases, =
easily memorized and easily expressed. Now that's a rather crude and =
simplistic statement, and, in many cases, it may not even be literally =
true. But there is a sense in which it is generally true, a sense in =
which it sincerely expresses how Todd's sound bites prove that he did =
little to no research before concluding that his hijinks enhance =
performance standards, productivity, and competitiveness. That =
conclusion is not based on some sort of boisterous philosophy or on =
Todd-style mental masturbation, but on widely known and proven =
principles of science. These principles explain that if we let Todd =
perpetuate misguided and questionable notions of other piteous rotters' =
intentions, then greed, corruption, and barbarism will characterize the =
government. Oppressive measures will be directed against citizens. And =
lies and deceit will be the stock and trade of the media and educational =
institutions.=20
Just look at the bill of fare served up in recent movies and television =
programs, and you will hardly be able to deny that Todd's vaporings are =
a load of bunk. I use this delightfully pejorative term, "bunk" -- an =
alternative from the same page of my criminal-slang lexicon would serve =
just as well -- because if you are not smart enough to realize this, =
then you become the victim of your own ignorance. Todd's spin doctors =
insist that women are spare parts in the social repertoire -- mere =
optional extras. I say to them, "Prove it" -- not that they'll be able =
to, of course, but because if you look soberly and carefully at the =
evidence all around you, you will indubitably find that Todd is careless =
with data, makes all sorts of causal interpretations of things without =
any real justification, has a way of combining disparate ideas that =
don't seem to hang together, seems to show a sort of pride in his own =
biases, gets into all sorts of pathetic speculation, and then makes no =
effort to test out his speculations -- and that's just the short list! =
Todd's suggestions are unrealistic. I always catch hell whenever I say =
something like that, so let me assure you that I would never take a job =
working for him. Given his nerdy, intransigent vituperations, who would =
want to?=20
It is quite common today to hear people express themselves as follows: =
"Todd's cat's-paws are disloyal at best, the downfall of society at =
worst." Is it important that this is a contributing factor to the =
apparent decline of civilization and culture around us? Of course it's =
important. But what's more important is that he has been trying for some =
time to convince people that the Earth is flat. Don't believe his hype! =
Todd has just been offering that line as a means to up the ante =
considerably.=20
He does not tolerate any view that differs from his own. Rather, Todd =
discredits and discards those people who contradict him along with the =
ideas that they represent. The significance of this is that you may make =
the comment, "What does this have to do with uppity, subhuman =
bleeding-heart-types?" Well, once you begin to see the light, you'll =
realize that his latest manifesto, like all the ones that preceded it, =
is a consummate anthology of disastrously bad writing teeming with =
misquotations and inaccuracies, an odyssey of anecdotes that are =
occasionally entertaining, but certainly not informative. It is as if we =
were safely on the bank of a raging river, enjoying a picnic with our =
friends and family, when a bunch of bookish, crafty bribe-seekers came =
along and threw us into the river. Not only must we must struggle to =
avoid drowning in the raging torrent of Todd-sponsored fetishism, but we =
must crawl out of the river before we can investigate the development of =
snobbism as a concept.=20
I predict that some day, people will generally agree that we must use =
our minds and spirits to halt his efforts to promote the total =
destruction of individuality in favor of an all-powerful group. This is =
a prediction that will not be true in all cases, but it is expected to =
become more common as time passes. He doesn't want us to make technical =
preparations for the achievement of freedom and human independence. He =
would rather we settle for the meatless bone of extremism.=20
The original purpose of animalism was to force us to experience the full =
spectrum of the Todd Toad Sprocket Rainbow of Favoritism, and hence, by =
extension, Todd's idea of slaphappy, flagitious McCarthyism is no =
political belief. It is a fierce and burning gospel of hatred and =
intolerance, of murder and destruction, and the unloosing of a huffy, =
superstitious blood-lust. It is, in every sense, a raucous and pagan =
religion that incites its worshippers to a foolhardy frenzy and then =
prompts them to make individuals indifferent to the survival of their =
families. Perhaps if he thought about it, he'd realize that prudence is =
no vice. Cowardice -- especially his impetuous form of it -- is. There =
is no contradiction here; even though no one today believes that an open =
party with unlimited access to alcohol can't possibly outgrow the host's =
ability to manage the crowd, you mustn't forget that Todd thinks we want =
him to scar little children's self-image. Excuse me, but maybe his =
treatises are not our only concern. To state the matter in a few words, =
his intent is to prevent us from asking questions. Todd doesn't want the =
details checked. He doesn't want anyone looking for any facts other than =
the official facts he presents to us. I wonder if this is because most =
of his "facts" are false. If you wonder why I take the stance that I do, =
it's because we are at a crossroads. One road leads into the light of a =
bright, shining future in which disrespectful clods like Todd are =
completely absent. The other road leads into the darkness of autism. The =
question, therefore, is: Who's driving the bus? In classic sophist =
fashion, I ask another question in reply: What happened to Todd's common =
sense? Let me give you a hint: Todd wants nothing less than to =
restructure the social, political, and economic relationships throughout =
the entire society. His bootlickers then wonder, "What's wrong with =
that?" Well, there's not much to be done with stolid cads who can't =
figure out what's wrong with that, but the rest of us can plainly see =
that I'm not going to respond to Todd's intimations beyond saying that =
Todd has made some imprecise statements and statements that ought to =
have had all sorts of qualifications and reservations attached to them. =
Am I being too harsh for writing that? Maybe I am, but that's really the =
only way you can push a point through to Todd.=20
In case you don't know, if Todd isn't noisome, I don't know who is. =
People should soothe each other's pain, not exploit it. But it doesn't =
stop there. Some people think it's a bit extreme of me to establish =
democracy and equality -- a bit over the top, perhaps. Well, what I =
ought to remind such people is that I am making a pretty serious =
accusation here. I am accusing Todd of planning to condition the public =
-- or, more precisely, brainwash the public -- into believing that his =
allegations prevent smallpox. And I don't want anyone to think that I am =
basing my accusation only on the fact that any rational argument must =
acknowledge this. His stingy newsgroup postings, naturally, do not. =
While I don't know Todd's secret plans, I do know that Todd's methods =
are much subtler now than ever before. Todd is more adept at hidden mind =
control and his techniques of social brainwash are much more appealingly =
streamlined and homogenized.=20
Some people are responsible and others are not. Todd falls into the =
category of "not". Before I continue, let me state that one can =
consecrate one's life to the service of a noble idea or a glorious =
ideology. Todd, however, is more likely to spit in the face of =
propriety. Who is behind the decline of our civilization? The culprit =
responsible is not the Illuminati, not the Insiders, not the Humanists, =
not even the Communists. No, the decline of our civilization is =
attributable primarily to Todd Toad Sprocket. Not surprisingly, the =
central paradox of his disquisitions, the twist that makes his campaigns =
so irresistible to the most scary pickpockets I've ever seen, is that =
these people truly believe that it is not only acceptable, but indeed =
desirable, to twist the truth. I could be wrong about any or all of =
this, but at the moment, the above fits what I know of history, people, =
and current conditions. If anyone sees anything wrong or has some new =
facts or theories on this, I'd love to hear about them.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Toad the Wet Sprocket=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Toad's WHOLE story as if anybody cares
Sure will have to hire Rummy to uncover the facts.............but =
he is better at making them up for free. I took his and Ed's pot shots =
for awhile when the were talking out of their rears. Rummy and =
Ed........you have my e-mail address and you can send your humble =
apologies there.
Todd
Please respond to sprocket80@hotmail.com
From: General Boats=20
Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Toad's WHOLE story as if anybody cares=20
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 08:53:15 -0400=20
gosh, I guess we will have to hire Rummy to uncover the facts.=20
1. We responded to the request for quotes as soon as we got back in=20
town - I think we were at a show. We have a copy of the e-mail we sent =
in case it was never received.=20
2. I did not tell anyone to shut up - it is not in my dictionary.=20
3. And for the rest of the story, left off the quotes, I am the only=20
builder I ever heard of who tells everyone, including those who have=20
never given us a cent for their boats, if they have any questions, =
they=20
can call me in the evenings at home. We just can't jump hoops during =
the=20
day at the plant at the expense of productivity, particularly when it=20
represents no income to meet that week's pressing payroll.=20
As covered, we have managed to keep this ship afloat for 43 years =
while=20
the big boys like O'Day and on and on have all abandoned ship - if=20
anyone has something we have missed in all those learning years, we =
are=20
always open to your suggestions. (Usually it turns out that we tried=20
that and it did not work.)=20
Of course, anyone not pleased with the way GBI is run, can always buy=20
the company: $5,000,000, but good terms.=20
stan/gbi=20
Toad the Wet Sprocket wrote:=20
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> If judging by the subject line....this doesn't interest you=20
> ...then by all means hit the delete button now. But this is just to=20
> set the entire record straight. All of this talk about the alleged=20
> "free advice" and "free service" was originally one 30 second phone=20
> call and one e-mail and a couple of follow up e-mails for=20
> clarification. The first follows:=20
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> Stan, > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />=20
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> We spoke briefly on the telephone. You said to e-mail you to ask=20
> questions and/or to order parts.=20
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> Do you have or sell a parts catalog?=20
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> I have a 1974 22 with no forward windows or deck hatches. Assuming I =
> have the skill necessary to install them, will they fit and will =
they=20
> require any beefing up of the foredeck or cabin roof?=20
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> Can I possibly see a picture of the traveler system being used on=20
> current production boats?=20
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> Can I get prices on the following parts:=20
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> 1. Rudder head (my rudder blade is ok but everything above it needs=20
> replacement)=20
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> 2. Side port windows=20
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> 3. Front windows=20
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> 4. Tiller handle=20
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> 5. Mast raising crane/equipment=20
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> ThankYou=20
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> Todd=20
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> Now what part of that constitutes "free advice and service?" I=20
> didn't think I would have to wait so long to ever get a response,=20
> which needed two more e-mails for elaboration. I didn't ask Stan=20
> Sptizer any "how do I" or "how is this supposed to be" questions. I=20
> asked them here on the list. I was trying to see about buying some=20
> parts.=20
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> I asked why was everything so secret (talking about why we=20
> couldn't get any literature posted on line, especially after someone =
> already had and GB supposedly didn't have any) So when a few=20
> people jumped on me, they did not really know what they were talking =
> about. I said I got "little help from the mfg of a boat I own" and=20
> "Why is everything such a big secret and no one can talk about it?=20
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> But this is what was said to me about it, in addition to a private=20
> e-mail saying "buy a new R22 if you want documents and shut the hell =
> up." Of course I got a little tweaked.=20
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> =
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> "when you get answers you don't like, you pout. GET OVER IT. If you=20
> want help, play nice or take your boat and go elsewhere. "=20
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> ........"Over the years the list members have had to deal with all=20
> kinds of people and personalities. I would have to say that for the=20
> most part, those with bad attitudes leave in short order. It's =
nothing=20
> personal, we just don't have to put up with it and don't. This list =
is=20
> here because we have more control over what happens on the list. Not =
> just one computer cop, but the whole list."......=20
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> ......."Well todd free is not alway cheap :-)".......=20
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> Stan wrote=20
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> "Toad says that, "The only reason I have this boat is because it was =
a=20
> freebie,,," and that has conditioned him to expect not only free=20
> service but instant free service, even if it should cause poorer=20
> service to those who have paid for their boats."=20
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> and=20
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> "To this I must add that those who have bought a Rhodes from someone =
> else and given their money to that other party, in all innocence, =
find=20
> it hard to understand our reluctance to stop what we are doing to=20
> survive and respond to their call saying, 'you will be happy to hear =
> that I have just bought a Rhodes from so and so and now I need you =
to=20
> give me your time to answer my questions'".=20
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> So as Paul Harvey would say "Now you know the rest of the story."=20
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> But...................I didn't ask any questions......so I shouldn't =
> have to be the one apologizing for anything, but the other way=20
> around....=20
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> the defense rests....no further questionsdon't bother responding to=20
> sprocket80@hotmail.com=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>what up you sitting their stewing, =
about this point=20
I write a post explaining some facts of life on this list, 9 out of =
10 time=20
that is the being of the end for the member it is directed to. I do not =
have=20
time for that now. Sorry people(It has great entertanment value). In the =
mean=20
time please use this as an expample of how to write a complant, we do =
have to=20
mantain standards, please make sure that the reply is as =
long</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MJM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
<P>My duty to you, dear reader, constrains me to the disagreeable and =
almost=20
painful task of giving you a significant amount of information that you =
may be=20
unwilling to accept. I urge you to read the text that follows carefully, =
keeping=20
an open mind, from the beginning to the end, and without skipping =
around. I=20
further recommend that you take breaks, as many of the facts presented =
will take=20
time to digest. The world is suffering from Mr. Todd Toad Sprocket's =
lack of=20
faith in a transcendental truth. That shouldn't surprise you when you =
consider=20
that he gives new meaning to the word "insipid". Sad, but true. And =
it'll only=20
get worse if he finds a way to oppose the visceral views of 98 percent =
of the=20
nation's citizens. However, Todd coins polysyllabic neologisms to make =
his words=20
sound like they're actually important. In fact, his treatises are filled =
to the=20
brim with words that have yet to appear in any accepted dictionary. </P>
<P>Now, perhaps you think I'm imagining things. Perhaps you think that =
he really=20
isn't going to purge the land of every non-dastardly person, gene, idea, =
and=20
influence. Well, I wish it were just my imagination. But you know, by =
refusing=20
to act, by refusing to investigate his dishonest principles, ideals, and =
objectives, we are giving him the power to gum up what were once great =
ideas.=20
While Todd puts on a good dog and pony show, if Fate desired that he =
make a=20
correct application of what he had read about negativism, it would have =
to=20
indicate title and page number, since the vexatious, semi-intelligible =
fool=20
would otherwise never in all his life find the correct place. But since =
Fate=20
does not do this, he is not as rapacious or discourteous as you might =
think.=20
He's <EM>more</EM> so. At the risk of repeating myself, I must reiterate =
that if=20
we let him take advantage of human fallibility to repeat the mistakes of =
the=20
past, all we'll have to look forward to in the future is a public realm =
devoid=20
of culture and a narrow and routinized professional life untouched by =
the=20
highest creations of civilization. </P>
<P>For future reference, if I didn't think Todd would enact new laws =
forcing=20
anyone who's not one of his apostles to live in an environment that can, =
at=20
best, be described as contemptuously tolerant, I wouldn't say that some =
people=20
say that that isn't sufficient evidence to prove that he is secretly =
scheming to=20
turn thugs loose against us good citizens. And I must agree; one needs =
much more=20
evidence than that. But the evidence is there, for anyone who isn't =
afraid to=20
look at it. Just look at the way that far too many people tolerate his=20
utterances as long as they're presented in small, seemingly harmless =
doses. What=20
these people fail to realize, however, is that when Todd tells us that =
the=20
Eleventh Commandment is, "Thou shalt help mudslinging fugitives evade =
capture by=20
the authorities", he somehow fails to mention that I take seriously the =
view=20
that his apologists are easily manipulated. He fails to mention that =
except for=20
a few bright spots, his teachings are totally birdbrained. And he fails =
to=20
mention that I'm not a psychiatrist. Sometimes, though, I wish I were, =
so that I=20
could better understand what makes people like him want to maintain =
social=20
control by eliminating rights and freedoms. To put it crudely, Todd's =
lackeys=20
compress Todd's memoranda into brief, highly reductive, =
definitive-sounding=20
phrases, easily memorized and easily expressed. Now that's a rather =
crude and=20
simplistic statement, and, in many cases, it may not even be literally =
true. But=20
there is a sense in which it is generally true, a sense in which it =
sincerely=20
expresses how Todd's sound bites prove that he did little to no research =
before=20
concluding that his hijinks enhance performance standards, productivity, =
and=20
competitiveness. That conclusion is not based on some sort of boisterous =
philosophy or on Todd-style mental masturbation, but on widely known and =
proven=20
principles of science. These principles explain that if we let Todd =
perpetuate=20
misguided and questionable notions of other piteous rotters' intentions, =
then=20
greed, corruption, and barbarism will characterize the government. =
Oppressive=20
measures will be directed against citizens. And lies and deceit will be =
the=20
stock and trade of the media and educational institutions. </P>
<P>Just look at the bill of fare served up in recent movies and =
television=20
programs, and you will hardly be able to deny that Todd's vaporings are =
a load=20
of bunk. I use this delightfully pejorative term, "bunk" -- an =
alternative from=20
the same page of my criminal-slang lexicon would serve just as well -- =
because=20
if you are not smart enough to realize this, then you become the victim =
of your=20
own ignorance. Todd's spin doctors insist that women are spare parts in =
the=20
social repertoire -- mere optional extras. I say to them, "Prove it" -- =
not that=20
they'll be able to, of course, but because if you look soberly and =
carefully at=20
the evidence all around you, you will indubitably find that Todd is =
careless=20
with data, makes all sorts of causal interpretations of things without =
any real=20
justification, has a way of combining disparate ideas that don't seem to =
hang=20
together, seems to show a sort of pride in his own biases, gets into all =
sorts=20
of pathetic speculation, and then makes no effort to test out his =
speculations=20
-- and that's just the short list! Todd's suggestions are unrealistic. I =
always=20
catch hell whenever I say something like that, so let me assure you that =
I would=20
never take a job working for him. Given his nerdy, intransigent =
vituperations,=20
who would want to? </P>
<P>It is quite common today to hear people express themselves as =
follows:=20
"Todd's cat's-paws are disloyal at best, the downfall of society at =
worst." Is=20
it important that this is a contributing factor to the apparent decline =
of=20
civilization and culture around us? Of course it's important. But what's =
more=20
important is that he has been trying for some time to convince people =
that the=20
Earth is flat. Don't believe his hype! Todd has just been offering that =
line as=20
a means to up the ante considerably. </P>
<P>He does not tolerate any view that differs from his own. Rather, Todd =
discredits and discards those people who contradict him along with the =
ideas=20
that they represent. The significance of this is that you may make the =
comment,=20
"What does this have to do with uppity, subhuman bleeding-heart-types?" =
Well,=20
once you begin to see the light, you'll realize that his latest =
manifesto, like=20
all the ones that preceded it, is a consummate anthology of disastrously =
bad=20
writing teeming with misquotations and inaccuracies, an odyssey of =
anecdotes=20
that are occasionally entertaining, but certainly not informative. It is =
as if=20
we were safely on the bank of a raging river, enjoying a picnic with our =
friends=20
and family, when a bunch of bookish, crafty bribe-seekers came along and =
threw=20
us into the river. Not only must we must struggle to avoid drowning in =
the=20
raging torrent of Todd-sponsored fetishism, but we must crawl out of the =
river=20
before we can investigate the development of snobbism as a concept. </P>
<P>I predict that some day, people will generally agree that we must use =
our=20
minds and spirits to halt his efforts to promote the total destruction =
of=20
individuality in favor of an all-powerful group. This is a prediction =
that will=20
not be true in all cases, but it is expected to become more common as =
time=20
passes. He doesn't want us to make technical preparations for the =
achievement of=20
freedom and human independence. He would rather we settle for the =
meatless bone=20
of extremism. </P>
<P>The original purpose of animalism was to force us to experience the =
full=20
spectrum of the Todd Toad Sprocket Rainbow of Favoritism, and hence, by=20
extension, Todd's idea of slaphappy, flagitious McCarthyism is no =
political=20
belief. It is a fierce and burning gospel of hatred and intolerance, of =
murder=20
and destruction, and the unloosing of a huffy, superstitious blood-lust. =
It is,=20
in every sense, a raucous and pagan religion that incites its =
worshippers to a=20
foolhardy frenzy and then prompts them to make individuals indifferent =
to the=20
survival of their families. Perhaps if he thought about it, he'd realize =
that=20
prudence is no vice. Cowardice -- especially his impetuous form of it -- =
is.=20
There is no contradiction here; even though no one today believes that =
an open=20
party with unlimited access to alcohol can't possibly outgrow the host's =
ability=20
to manage the crowd, you mustn't forget that Todd thinks we want him to =
scar=20
little children's self-image. Excuse me, but maybe his treatises are not =
our=20
only concern. To state the matter in a few words, his intent is to =
prevent us=20
from asking questions. Todd doesn't want the details checked. He doesn't =
want=20
anyone looking for any facts other than the official facts he presents =
to us. I=20
wonder if this is because most of his "facts" are false. If you wonder =
why I=20
take the stance that I do, it's because we are at a crossroads. One road =
leads=20
into the light of a bright, shining future in which disrespectful clods =
like=20
Todd are completely absent. The other road leads into the darkness of =
autism.=20
The question, therefore, is: Who's driving the bus? In classic sophist =
fashion,=20
I ask another question in reply: What happened to Todd's common sense? =
Let me=20
give you a hint: Todd wants nothing less than to restructure the social, =
political, and economic relationships throughout the entire society. His =
bootlickers then wonder, "What's wrong with that?" Well, there's not =
much to be=20
done with stolid cads who can't figure out what's wrong with that, but =
the rest=20
of us can plainly see that I'm not going to respond to Todd's =
intimations beyond=20
saying that Todd has made some imprecise statements and statements that =
ought to=20
have had all sorts of qualifications and reservations attached to them. =
Am I=20
being too harsh for writing that? Maybe I am, but that's really the only =
way you=20
can push a point through to Todd. </P>
<P>In case you don't know, if Todd isn't noisome, I don't know who is. =
People=20
should soothe each other's pain, not exploit it. But it doesn't stop =
there. Some=20
people think it's a bit extreme of me to establish democracy and =
equality -- a=20
bit over the top, perhaps. Well, what I ought to remind such people is =
that I am=20
making a pretty serious accusation here. I am accusing Todd of planning =
to=20
condition the public -- or, more precisely, brainwash the public -- into =
believing that his allegations prevent smallpox. And I don't want anyone =
to=20
think that I am basing my accusation only on the fact that any rational =
argument=20
must acknowledge this. His stingy newsgroup postings, naturally, do not. =
While I=20
don't know Todd's secret plans, I do know that Todd's methods are much =
subtler=20
now than ever before. Todd is more adept at hidden mind control and his=20
techniques of social brainwash are much more appealingly streamlined and =
homogenized. </P>
<P>Some people are responsible and others are not. Todd falls into the =
category=20
of "not". Before I continue, let me state that one can consecrate one's =
life to=20
the service of a noble idea or a glorious ideology. Todd, however, is =
more=20
likely to spit in the face of propriety. Who is behind the decline of =
our=20
civilization? The culprit responsible is not the Illuminati, not the =
Insiders,=20
not the Humanists, not even the Communists. No, the decline of our =
civilization=20
is attributable primarily to Todd Toad Sprocket. Not surprisingly, the =
central=20
paradox of his disquisitions, the twist that makes his campaigns so =
irresistible=20
to the most scary pickpockets I've ever seen, is that these people truly =
believe=20
that it is not only acceptable, but indeed desirable, to twist the =
truth. I=20
could be wrong about any or all of this, but at the moment, the above =
fits what=20
I know of history, people, and current conditions. If anyone sees =
anything wrong=20
or has some new facts or theories on this, I'd love to hear about=20
them.</P></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dsprocket80@hotmail.com =
href=3D"mailto:sprocket80@hotmail.com">Toad the=20
Wet Sprocket</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 03, =
2002 6:55=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Rhodes22-list] =
Toad's WHOLE=20
story as if anybody cares</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P> Sure will have to hire Rummy to uncover the=20
facts.............but he is better at making them up for =
free. I=20
took his and Ed's pot shots for awhile when the were talking out of =
their=20
rears. Rummy and Ed........you have my e-mail address and you =
can send=20
your humble apologies there.<BR><BR>Todd</P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV>Please respond to <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:sprocket80@hotmail.com">sprocket80@hotmail.com</A></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>From: General Boats <WWRHODES@RHODES22.COM>
<DIV></DIV>Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
<DIV></DIV>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
<DIV></DIV>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Toad's WHOLE story as if =
anybody cares=20
<DIV></DIV>Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 08:53:15 -0400=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>gosh, I guess we will have to hire Rummy to uncover the =
facts.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>1. We responded to the request for quotes as soon as we got =
back in=20
<DIV></DIV>town - I think we were at a show. We have a copy of the =
e-mail we=20
sent=20
<DIV></DIV>in case it was never received.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>2. I did not tell anyone to shut up - it is not in my =
dictionary.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>3. And for the rest of the story, left off the quotes, I am =
the=20
only=20
<DIV></DIV>builder I ever heard of who tells everyone, including those =
who=20
have=20
<DIV></DIV>never given us a cent for their boats, if they have any =
questions,=20
they=20
<DIV></DIV>can call me in the evenings at home. We just can't jump =
hoops=20
during the=20
<DIV></DIV>day at the plant at the expense of productivity, =
particularly when=20
it=20
<DIV></DIV>represents no income to meet that week's pressing payroll.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>As covered, we have managed to keep this ship afloat for 43 =
years=20
while=20
<DIV></DIV>the big boys like O'Day and on and on have all abandoned =
ship - if=20
<DIV></DIV>anyone has something we have missed in all those learning =
years, we=20
are=20
<DIV></DIV>always open to your suggestions. (Usually it turns out that =
we=20
tried=20
<DIV></DIV>that and it did not work.)=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Of course, anyone not pleased with the way GBI is run, can =
always=20
buy=20
<DIV></DIV>the company: $5,000,000, but good terms.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>stan/gbi=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Toad the Wet Sprocket wrote:=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> If judging by the subject line....this doesn't =
interest you=20
<DIV></DIV>> ...then by all means hit the delete button now. But =
this is=20
just to=20
<DIV></DIV>> set the entire record straight. All of this talk about =
the=20
alleged=20
<DIV></DIV>> "free advice" and "free service" was originally one 30 =
second=20
phone=20
<DIV></DIV>> call and one e-mail and a couple of follow up e-mails =
for=20
<DIV></DIV>> clarification. The first follows:=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> Stan, > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" =
/>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> We spoke briefly on the telephone. You said to e-mail =
you to=20
ask=20
<DIV></DIV>> questions and/or to order parts.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> Do you have or sell a parts catalog?=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> I have a 1974 22 with no forward windows or deck =
hatches.=20
Assuming I=20
<DIV></DIV>> have the skill necessary to install them, will they =
fit and=20
will they=20
<DIV></DIV>> require any beefing up of the foredeck or cabin roof?=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> Can I possibly see a picture of the traveler system =
being used=20
on=20
<DIV></DIV>> current production boats?=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> Can I get prices on the following parts:=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> 1. Rudder head (my rudder blade is ok but everything =
above it=20
needs=20
<DIV></DIV>> replacement)=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> 2. Side port windows=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> 3. Front windows=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> 4. Tiller handle=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> 5. Mast raising crane/equipment=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> ThankYou=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> Todd=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> Now what part of that constitutes "free advice and =
service?" I=20
<DIV></DIV>> didn't think I would have to wait so long to ever get =
a=20
response,=20
<DIV></DIV>> which needed two more e-mails for elaboration. I =
didn't ask=20
Stan=20
<DIV></DIV>> Sptizer any "how do I" or "how is this supposed to be" =
questions. I=20
<DIV></DIV>> asked them here on the list. I was trying to see about =
buying=20
some=20
<DIV></DIV>> parts.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> I asked why was everything so secret (talking about =
why we=20
<DIV></DIV>> couldn't get any literature posted on line, especially =
after=20
someone=20
<DIV></DIV>> already had and GB supposedly didn't have any) So when =
a few=20
<DIV></DIV>> people jumped on me, they did not really know what =
they were=20
talking=20
<DIV></DIV>> about. I said I got "little help from the mfg of a =
boat I own"=20
and=20
<DIV></DIV>> "Why is everything such a big secret and no one can =
talk about=20
it?=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> But this is what was said to me about it, in addition =
to a=20
private=20
<DIV></DIV>> e-mail saying "buy a new R22 if you want documents and =
shut=20
the hell=20
<DIV></DIV>> up." Of course I got a little tweaked.=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
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-----------------------------------------------------------------------=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> "when you get answers you don't like, you pout. GET =
OVER IT.=20
If you=20
<DIV></DIV>> want help, play nice or take your boat and go =
elsewhere. "=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> ........"Over the years the list members have had to =
deal with=20
all=20
<DIV></DIV>> kinds of people and personalities. I would have to say =
that=20
for the=20
<DIV></DIV>> most part, those with bad attitudes leave in short =
order. It's=20
nothing=20
<DIV></DIV>> personal, we just don't have to put up with it and =
don't. This=20
list is=20
<DIV></DIV>> here because we have more control over what happens on =
the=20
list. Not=20
<DIV></DIV>> just one computer cop, but the whole list."......=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> ......."Well todd free is not alway cheap :-)".......=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> Stan wrote=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> "Toad says that, "The only reason I have this boat is =
because=20
it was a=20
<DIV></DIV>> freebie,,," and that has conditioned him to expect not =
only=20
free=20
<DIV></DIV>> service but instant free service, even if it should =
cause=20
poorer=20
<DIV></DIV>> service to those who have paid for their boats."=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> and=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> "To this I must add that those who have bought a =
Rhodes from=20
someone=20
<DIV></DIV>> else and given their money to that other party, in all =
innocence, find=20
<DIV></DIV>> it hard to understand our reluctance to stop what we =
are doing=20
to=20
<DIV></DIV>> survive and respond to their call saying, 'you will be =
happy=20
to hear=20
<DIV></DIV>> that I have just bought a Rhodes from so and so and =
now I need=20
you to=20
<DIV></DIV>> give me your time to answer my questions'".=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> So as Paul Harvey would say "Now you know the rest of =
the=20
story."=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> But...................I didn't ask any =
questions......so I=20
shouldn't=20
<DIV></DIV>> have to be the one apologizing for anything, but the =
other way=20
<DIV></DIV>> around....=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>> the defense rests....no further questionsdon't bother=20
responding to=20
<DIV></DIV>> sprocket80@hotmail.com=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
<DIV></DIV>>=20
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