[Rhodes22-list] Toad's WHOLE story as if anybody cares
Toad the Wet Sprocket
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<P> Furthermore, recent troubling developments prompt me to revisit a subject I've discussed in the past: MJM and his plan to spew forth ignorance and prejudice. Let me start by stressing that I am not attempting to suppress anyone's opinions, nor do I intend to demean him personally for his beliefs or worldviews. But I do think that I must comment on a phenomenon that has and will continue to create a mudslinging world of guilt and shame. Despite the obvious (which is something he chooses to ignore) he is eager to shrink the so-called marketplace of ideas down to convenience- store size. There is something inherently wrong with a man who wants, more than anything else, to force us to do things or take stands against our will, pure and simple. Cannibalism has its stronghold among the worst sorts of impudent obstinate-types I've ever seen. And I can say that with a clear conscience, because one of his favorite tricks is to create a problem and then to offer the solution. Naturally, it's always his solutions that grant him the freedom to hammer a few more nails into the coffin of freedom of speech, never the original problem. A real fight against directionless separatism can be undertaken only if a basic change in social conditions makes it possible to do something about the continuing -- make that the escalating -- effort on MJM's part to let advanced verbal weaponry fall into the hands of a few predatory, randy wimps on the list. Here, too, the exception proves the rule: The baneful nature of MJM's shell games is not just a rumor. It is a fact to which I can testify. </P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">I don't mean to scare you, but I am entirely shocked and angered by MJM's <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>loud, amoral improprieties. Such shameful conduct should never be repeated. Although I agree with those who feel that MJM will go to almost any extreme to prevent my message of truth from getting out, nevertheless, I cannot agree with the subject matter and attitude that is woven into every one of his intrusive utterances. He likes thinking thoughts that aren't burdensome and that feel good. That's why some of the facts I'm about to present may seem shocking. This they certainly are. However, he has been trying for some time to convince people that we should all bear the brunt of his actions. Don't believe his hype! MJM has just been offering that line as a means to sanctify his depravity. The bulk of mindless, soulless smut peddlers are at least marginally tolerable, but not MJM. Maybe quicker than you can double-check the spelling of "sphygmomanometric", he will shred the basic compact between the people and the list.. Discourteous predictions aside, this would not be an impossible scenario if his obscene jibes were to gain ascendancy in our society. Let me leave you with one last thought: The truth is not meant to be warm and fuzzy. </SPAN><BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>From: "Toad the Wet Sprocket" <SPROCKET80@HOTMAIL.COM>
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<P>And you say I was stewing? Next time quote the author you plagerize. Who wrote that garbage? Ted Kazinski?<BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>From: "Michael Meltzer" <MJM@MICHAELMELTZER.COM>
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<DIV></DIV>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:22:32 -0400
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<DIV></DIV>what up you sitting their stewing, about this point I write a post explaining some facts of life on this list, 9 out of 10 time that is the being of the end for the member it is directed to. I do not have time for that now. Sorry people(It has great entertanment value). In the mean time please use this as an expample of how to write a complant, we do have to mantain standards, please make sure that the reply is as long
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<DIV></DIV>My duty to you, dear reader, constrains me to the disagreeable and almost painful task of giving you a significant amount of information that you may be unwilling to accept. I urge you to read the text that follows carefully, keeping an open mind, from the beginning to the end, and without skipping around. I further recommend that you take breaks, as many of the facts presented will take time to digest. The world is suffering from Mr. Todd Toad Sprocket's lack of faith in a transcendental truth. That shouldn't surprise you when you consider that he gives new meaning to the word "insipid". Sad, but true. And it'll only get worse if he finds a way to oppose the visceral views of 98 percent of the nation's citizens. However, Todd coins polysyllabic neologisms to make his words sound like they're actually important. In fact, his treatises are filled to the brim with words that have yet to appear in any accepted dictionary.
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<DIV></DIV>Now, perhaps you think I'm imagining things. Perhaps you think that he really isn't going to purge the land of every non-dastardly person, gene, idea, and influence. Well, I wish it were just my imagination. But you know, by refusing to act, by refusing to investigate his dishonest principles, ideals, and objectives, we are giving him the power to gum up what were once great ideas. While Todd puts on a good dog and pony show, if Fate desired that he make a correct application of what he had read about negativism, it would have to indicate title and page number, since the vexatious, semi-intelligible fool would otherwise never in all his life find the correct place. But since Fate does not do this, he is not as rapacious or discourteous as you might think. He's more so. At the risk of repeating myself, I must reiterate that if we let him take advantage of human fallibility to repeat the mistakes of the past, all we'll have to look forward to in the future is a publi
c realm devoid of culture and a narrow and routinized professional life untouched by the highest creations of civilization.
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<DIV></DIV>For future reference, if I didn't think Todd would enact new laws forcing anyone who's not one of his apostles to live in an environment that can, at best, be described as contemptuously tolerant, I wouldn't say that some people say that that isn't sufficient evidence to prove that he is secretly scheming to turn thugs loose against us good citizens. And I must agree; one needs much more evidence than that. But the evidence is there, for anyone who isn't afraid to look at it. Just look at the way that far too many people tolerate his utterances as long as they're presented in small, seemingly harmless doses. What these people fail to realize, however, is that when Todd tells us that the Eleventh Commandment is, "Thou shalt help mudslinging fugitives evade capture by the authorities", he somehow fails to mention that I take seriously the view that his apologists are easily manipulated. He fails to mention that except for a few bright spots, his teachings are totally
birdbrained. And he fails to mention that I'm not a psychiatrist. Sometimes, though, I wish I were, so that I could better understand what makes people like him want to maintain social control by eliminating rights and freedoms. To put it crudely, Todd's lackeys compress Todd's memoranda into brief, highly reductive, definitive-sounding phrases, easily memorized and easily expressed. Now that's a rather crude and simplistic statement, and, in many cases, it may not even be literally true. But there is a sense in which it is generally true, a sense in which it sincerely expresses how Todd's sound bites prove that he did little to no research before concluding that his hijinks enhance performance standards, productivity, and competitiveness. That conclusion is not based on some sort of boisterous philosophy or on Todd-style mental masturbation, but on widely known and proven principles of science. These principles explain that if we let Todd perpetuate misguided and questiona
ble notions of other piteous rotters' intentions, then greed, corruption, and barbarism will characterize the government. Oppressive measures will be directed against citizens. And lies and deceit will be the stock and trade of the media and educational institutions.
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<DIV></DIV>Just look at the bill of fare served up in recent movies and television programs, and you will hardly be able to deny that Todd's vaporings are a load of bunk. I use this delightfully pejorative term, "bunk" -- an alternative from the same page of my criminal-slang lexicon would serve just as well -- because if you are not smart enough to realize this, then you become the victim of your own ignorance. Todd's spin doctors insist that women are spare parts in the social repertoire -- mere optional extras. I say to them, "Prove it" -- not that they'll be able to, of course, but because if you look soberly and carefully at the evidence all around you, you will indubitably find that Todd is careless with data, makes all sorts of causal interpretations of things without any real justification, has a way of combining disparate ideas that don't seem to hang together, seems to show a sort of pride in his own biases, gets into all sorts of pathetic speculation, and then make
s no effort to test out his speculations -- and that's just the short list! Todd's suggestions are unrealistic. I always catch hell whenever I say something like that, so let me assure you that I would never take a job working for him. Given his nerdy, intransigent vituperations, who would want to?
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<DIV></DIV>It is quite common today to hear people express themselves as follows: "Todd's cat's-paws are disloyal at best, the downfall of society at worst." Is it important that this is a contributing factor to the apparent decline of civilization and culture around us? Of course it's important. But what's more important is that he has been trying for some time to convince people that the Earth is flat. Don't believe his hype! Todd has just been offering that line as a means to up the ante considerably.
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<DIV></DIV>He does not tolerate any view that differs from his own. Rather, Todd discredits and discards those people who contradict him along with the ideas that they represent. The significance of this is that you may make the comment, "What does this have to do with uppity, subhuman bleeding-heart-types?" Well, once you begin to see the light, you'll realize that his latest manifesto, like all the ones that preceded it, is a consummate anthology of disastrously bad writing teeming with misquotations and inaccuracies, an odyssey of anecdotes that are occasionally entertaining, but certainly not informative. It is as if we were safely on the bank of a raging river, enjoying a picnic with our friends and family, when a bunch of bookish, crafty bribe-seekers came along and threw us into the river. Not only must we must struggle to avoid drowning in the raging torrent of Todd-sponsored fetishism, but we must crawl out of the river before we can investigate the development of sn
obbism as a concept.
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<DIV></DIV>I predict that some day, people will generally agree that we must use our minds and spirits to halt his efforts to promote the total destruction of individuality in favor of an all-powerful group. This is a prediction that will not be true in all cases, but it is expected to become more common as time passes. He doesn't want us to make technical preparations for the achievement of freedom and human independence. He would rather we settle for the meatless bone of extremism.
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<DIV></DIV>The original purpose of animalism was to force us to experience the full spectrum of the Todd Toad Sprocket Rainbow of Favoritism, and hence, by extension, Todd's idea of slaphappy, flagitious McCarthyism is no political belief. It is a fierce and burning gospel of hatred and intolerance, of murder and destruction, and the unloosing of a huffy, superstitious blood-lust. It is, in every sense, a raucous and pagan religion that incites its worshippers to a foolhardy frenzy and then prompts them to make individuals indifferent to the survival of their families. Perhaps if he thought about it, he'd realize that prudence is no vice. Cowardice -- especially his impetuous form of it -- is. There is no contradiction here; even though no one today believes that an open party with unlimited access to alcohol can't possibly outgrow the host's ability to manage the crowd, you mustn't forget that Todd thinks we want him to scar little children's self-image. Excuse me, but maybe
his treatises are not our only concern. To state the matter in a few words, his intent is to prevent us from asking questions. Todd doesn't want the details checked. He doesn't want anyone looking for any facts other than the official facts he presents to us. I wonder if this is because most of his "facts" are false. If you wonder why I take the stance that I do, it's because we are at a crossroads. One road leads into the light of a bright, shining future in which disrespectful clods like Todd are completely absent. The other road leads into the darkness of autism. The question, therefore, is: Who's driving the bus? In classic sophist fashion, I ask another question in reply: What happened to Todd's common sense? Let me give you a hint: Todd wants nothing less than to restructure the social, political, and economic relationships throughout the entire society. His bootlickers then wonder, "What's wrong with that?" Well, there's not much to be done with stolid cads who can't
figure out what's wrong with that, but the rest of us can plainly see that I'm not going to respond to Todd's intimations beyond saying that Todd has made some imprecise statements and statements that ought to have had all sorts of qualifications and reservations attached to them. Am I being too harsh for writing that? Maybe I am, but that's really the only way you can push a point through to Todd.
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<DIV></DIV>In case you don't know, if Todd isn't noisome, I don't know who is. People should soothe each other's pain, not exploit it. But it doesn't stop there. Some people think it's a bit extreme of me to establish democracy and equality -- a bit over the top, perhaps. Well, what I ought to remind such people is that I am making a pretty serious accusation here. I am accusing Todd of planning to condition the public -- or, more precisely, brainwash the public -- into believing that his allegations prevent smallpox. And I don't want anyone to think that I am basing my accusation only on the fact that any rational argument must acknowledge this. His stingy newsgroup postings, naturally, do not. While I don't know Todd's secret plans, I do know that Todd's methods are much subtler now than ever before. Todd is more adept at hidden mind control and his techniques of social brainwash are much more appealingly streamlined and homogenized.
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<DIV></DIV>Some people are responsible and others are not. Todd falls into the category of "not". Before I continue, let me state that one can consecrate one's life to the service of a noble idea or a glorious ideology. Todd, however, is more likely to spit in the face of propriety. Who is behind the decline of our civilization? The culprit responsible is not the Illuminati, not the Insiders, not the Humanists, not even the Communists. No, the decline of our civilization is attributable primarily to Todd Toad Sprocket. Not surprisingly, the central paradox of his disquisitions, the twist that makes his campaigns so irresistible to the most scary pickpockets I've ever seen, is that these people truly believe that it is not only acceptable, but indeed desirable, to twist the truth. I could be wrong about any or all of this, but at the moment, the above fits what I know of history, people, and current conditions. If anyone sees anything wrong or has some new facts or theories on
this, I'd love to hear about them.
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<DIV></DIV>From: Toad the Wet Sprocket
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<DIV></DIV>Sure will have to hire Rummy to uncover the facts.............but he is better at making them up for free. I took his and Ed's pot shots for awhile when the were talking out of their rears. Rummy and Ed........you have my e-mail address and you can send your humble apologies there.
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<DIV></DIV>Please respond to sprocket80@hotmail.com
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<DIV></DIV>From: General Boats
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<DIV></DIV>Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 08:53:15 -0400
<DIV></DIV>gosh, I guess we will have to hire Rummy to uncover the facts.
<DIV></DIV>1. We responded to the request for quotes as soon as we got back in
<DIV></DIV>town - I think we were at a show. We have a copy of the e-mail we sent
<DIV></DIV>in case it was never received.
<DIV></DIV>2. I did not tell anyone to shut up - it is not in my dictionary.
<DIV></DIV>3. And for the rest of the story, left off the quotes, I am the only
<DIV></DIV>builder I ever heard of who tells everyone, including those who have
<DIV></DIV>never given us a cent for their boats, if they have any questions, they
<DIV></DIV>can call me in the evenings at home. We just can't jump hoops during the
<DIV></DIV>day at the plant at the expense of productivity, particularly when it
<DIV></DIV>represents no income to meet that week's pressing payroll.
<DIV></DIV>As covered, we have managed to keep this ship afloat for 43 years while
<DIV></DIV>the big boys like O'Day and on and on have all abandoned ship - if
<DIV></DIV>anyone has something we have missed in all those learning years, we are
<DIV></DIV>always open to your suggestions. (Usually it turns out that we tried
<DIV></DIV>that and it did not work.)
<DIV></DIV>Of course, anyone not pleased with the way GBI is run, can always buy
<DIV></DIV>the company: $5,000,000, but good terms.
<DIV></DIV>stan/gbi
<DIV></DIV>Toad the Wet Sprocket wrote:
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<DIV></DIV>> If judging by the subject line....this doesn't interest you
<DIV></DIV>> ...then by all means hit the delete button now. But this is just to
<DIV></DIV>> set the entire record straight. All of this talk about the alleged
<DIV></DIV>> "free advice" and "free service" was originally one 30 second phone
<DIV></DIV>> call and one e-mail and a couple of follow up e-mails for
<DIV></DIV>> clarification. The first follows:
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<DIV></DIV>> Stan, > "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
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<DIV></DIV>> We spoke briefly on the telephone. You said to e-mail you to ask
<DIV></DIV>> questions and/or to order parts.
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<DIV></DIV>> Do you have or sell a parts catalog?
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<DIV></DIV>> I have a 1974 22 with no forward windows or deck hatches. Assuming I
<DIV></DIV>> have the skill necessary to install them, will they fit and will they
<DIV></DIV>> require any beefing up of the foredeck or cabin roof?
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> Can I possibly see a picture of the traveler system being used on
<DIV></DIV>> current production boats?
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<DIV></DIV>> Can I get prices on the following parts:
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<DIV></DIV>> 1. Rudder head (my rudder blade is ok but everything above it needs
<DIV></DIV>> replacement)
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<DIV></DIV>> 2. Side port windows
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<DIV></DIV>> 3. Front windows
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<DIV></DIV>> 4. Tiller handle
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<DIV></DIV>> 5. Mast raising crane/equipment
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<DIV></DIV>> ThankYou
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<DIV></DIV>> Todd
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<DIV></DIV>> Now what part of that constitutes "free advice and service?" I
<DIV></DIV>> didn't think I would have to wait so long to ever get a response,
<DIV></DIV>> which needed two more e-mails for elaboration. I didn't ask Stan
<DIV></DIV>> Sptizer any "how do I" or "how is this supposed to be" questions. I
<DIV></DIV>> asked them here on the list. I was trying to see about buying some
<DIV></DIV>> parts.
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<DIV></DIV>> I asked why was everything so secret (talking about why we
<DIV></DIV>> couldn't get any literature posted on line, especially after someone
<DIV></DIV>> already had and GB supposedly didn't have any) So when a few
<DIV></DIV>> people jumped on me, they did not really know what they were talking
<DIV></DIV>> about. I said I got "little help from the mfg of a boat I own" and
<DIV></DIV>> "Why is everything such a big secret and no one can talk about it?
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<DIV></DIV>> But this is what was said to me about it, in addition to a private
<DIV></DIV>> e-mail saying "buy a new R22 if you want documents and shut the hell
<DIV></DIV>> up." Of course I got a little tweaked.
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<DIV></DIV>> "when you get answers you don't like, you pout. GET OVER IT. If you
<DIV></DIV>> want help, play nice or take your boat and go elsewhere. "
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<DIV></DIV>> ........"Over the years the list members have had to deal with all
<DIV></DIV>> kinds of people and personalities. I would have to say that for the
<DIV></DIV>> most part, those with bad attitudes leave in short order. It's nothing
<DIV></DIV>> personal, we just don't have to put up with it and don't. This list is
<DIV></DIV>> here because we have more control over what happens on the list. Not
<DIV></DIV>> just one computer cop, but the whole list."......
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> ......."Well todd free is not alway cheap :-)".......
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<DIV></DIV>> Stan wrote
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<DIV></DIV>> "Toad says that, "The only reason I have this boat is because it was a
<DIV></DIV>> freebie,,," and that has conditioned him to expect not only free
<DIV></DIV>> service but instant free service, even if it should cause poorer
<DIV></DIV>> service to those who have paid for their boats."
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<DIV></DIV>> and
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<DIV></DIV>> "To this I must add that those who have bought a Rhodes from someone
<DIV></DIV>> else and given their money to that other party, in all innocence, find
<DIV></DIV>> it hard to understand our reluctance to stop what we are doing to
<DIV></DIV>> survive and respond to their call saying, 'you will be happy to hear
<DIV></DIV>> that I have just bought a Rhodes from so and so and now I need you to
<DIV></DIV>> give me your time to answer my questions'".
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<DIV></DIV>> So as Paul Harvey would say "Now you know the rest of the story."
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<DIV></DIV>> But...................I didn't ask any questions......so I shouldn't
<DIV></DIV>> have to be the one apologizing for anything, but the other way
<DIV></DIV>> around....
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<DIV></DIV>> the defense rests....no further questionsdon't bother responding to
<DIV></DIV>> sprocket80@hotmail.com
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