[Rhodes22-list] Bahamas
David Rasberry
rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:28:30 -0400
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Hey a Spaniard just completed a 54 day Atlantic crossing on a PWC. I would
consider the Rhodes to be much more seaworthy than a Potter. Stouter hull
construction, heavier displacement, positive flotation, stronger rig.
Roger's suggestions make sense. One could also build a platform to seal off
the cockpit at the seat level like the filler cushions do. The boat would
probably fair well, but the ride may be a bit rough on the occupants.
Picking a good wind and weather window for crossing the Gulfstream would be
critical. Apparently prevailing winds come out of the East against the
stream, which can make for rough sea conditions.
Razz
-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Rik Sandberg
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:27 PM
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bahamas
J.C.
I know there is somebody that has sailed their R 22 to the Bahamas, just
can't remember who it was.
I'm sure that Roger is probably right on the money with his advice in that
prior post. But.....there's always one of them buts, eh?......after all of
that, there are these people who apparently do the crossing regularly, in a
15 foot boat. http://www.microcruising.com/ and this guy who did the
crossing with 2 other people and a dog, in a WWPotter 19. (a little crowded
for me thank you)
http://potter-yachters.org/stories/bahamas/index.html
I don't know, is a WWPotter that much more seaworthy than an R 22??? One
thing I'm sure most knowledgeable ocean sailing people would bring up is the
large size of the R 22 cockpit. Most boats that are considered good sea
boats have a cockpit that will hold a far lesser volume of water than an R
22.
Is there some mention of this trip on the R 22 (GB) web site??
Rik
At 07:46 PM 9/4/2002 -0400, you wrote:
The answer is "yes" but the question remains if this is a good idea.
Here is Roger's response to the idea from 2 years ago:
Just a data point, for whatever it's worth. Last winter, I crewed
aboard a
36 foot, center cockpit, ketch on a delivery cruise from Florida to the
Bahamas. Most sailboats we encountered in the Bahamas were 36 feet long
or
bigger. However, there was this one fellow we met. He was anchored at
Nassau. His 24 foot sloop had jerry cans & other stuff lashed
everywhere on
deck. He was singlehanding & still the boat looked CRAMMED!
I've made three Florida/Bahamas Gulf Stream crossings in sailboats. One
of
these crossings was one of my worst experiences at sea & well beyond
what
you'd ever want to attempt in a Rhodes 22. But, the other two were at
the
upper limit of the Rhodes 22's performance envelope. I have several
suggestions before you try this however:
1. If your Rhodes 22 has the bow anchor chain hawse pipe, then find a
way to
plug
the opening or you may take a lot of water down below.
2. Add some foam weather stripping to the underside of the pop top & rig
up
a
means of securing the pop top down to keep your foam "gasket" in
compression.
A company called DeStaco makes a wide variety of dogging clamps that
could
be used for this purpose.
3. Before you leave, make several 1/2" thick plywood cutouts in the
shape of
your
ports, both fixed & opening. Glue a rubber gasket to one side of
each
of them &
drill matching holes thru them. These plywood pieces will be used
in
pairs, one
inside & one outside & thru bolted, to plug a port which gets blown
out
at sea.
4. No matter how you do it, the Gulf Stream crossing will be a very long
day.
The weather will be absolutely crucial. Consider leaving in the
middle
of the
night to give yourself as much daylight as possible on the other
end.
Consider
taking on an extra crew member for this leg of the trip to relieve
you.
Consider
installing a tiller pilot. I have an AutoHelm ST1000+ & it steers
our
Rhodes 22
very well.
5. Get yourself a good safety harness & install solid anchor points &
jacklines
on your Rhodes 22.
Good luck!
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
----- Original Message -----
From: J Cook
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 7:03 PM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bahamas
Has anybody here sailed an R22 to the Bahamas?
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size=3D2>Hey a=20
Spaniard just completed a 54 day Atlantic crossing on a PWC. I would =
consider=20
the Rhodes to be much more seaworthy than a Potter. Stouter hull =
construction,=20
heavier displacement, positive flotation, stronger rig. Roger's =
suggestions make=20
sense. One could also build a platform to seal off the cockpit at the =
seat level=20
like the filler cushions do. The boat would probably fair well, but the =
ride may=20
be a bit rough on the occupants. Picking a good wind and weather =
window for=20
crossing the Gulfstream would be critical. Apparently prevailing winds =
come out=20
of the East against the stream, which can make for rough sea=20
conditions.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D200391502-05092002><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org=20
[mailto:rhodes22-list-admin@rhodes22.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Rik=20
Sandberg<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:27 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Rhodes22-list]=20
Bahamas<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>J.C.<BR><BR>I know there is somebody that =
has=20
sailed their R 22 to the Bahamas, just can't remember who it =
was.<BR><BR>I'm=20
sure that Roger is probably right on the money with his advice in that =
prior=20
post. But.....there's always one of them buts, eh?......after all of =
that,=20
there are these people who apparently do the crossing regularly, in a =
15 foot=20
boat. <A href=3D"http://www.microcruising.com/"=20
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.microcruising.com/</A> and this =
guy who did=20
the crossing with 2 other people and a dog, in a WWPotter 19. (a =
little=20
crowded for me thank you)<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://potter-yachters.org/stories/bahamas/index.html"=20
=
eudora=3D"autourl">http://potter-yachters.org/stories/bahamas/index.html<=
/A> =20
<BR><BR>I don't know, is a WWPotter that much more seaworthy than an R =
22???=20
One thing I'm sure most knowledgeable ocean sailing people would bring =
up is=20
the large size of the R 22 cockpit. Most boats that are considered =
good sea=20
boats have a cockpit that will hold a far lesser volume of water than =
an R=20
22.<BR><BR>Is there some mention of this trip on the R 22 (GB) web=20
site??<BR><BR>Rik<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>At 07:46 PM 9/4/2002 -0400, you=20
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite cite type=3D"cite"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman, Times">The answer is "yes" but the question =
remains=20
if this is a good idea.</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman, Times">Here is Roger's response to the idea =
from 2=20
years ago:</FONT><BR> <BR>Just a data point, for whatever it's=20
worth. Last winter, I crewed aboard a<BR>36 foot, center =
cockpit,=20
ketch on a delivery cruise from Florida to the<BR>Bahamas. =
Most=20
sailboats we encountered in the Bahamas were 36 feet long=20
or<BR>bigger. However, there was this one fellow we met. =
He was=20
anchored at<BR>Nassau. His 24 foot sloop had jerry cans & =
other=20
stuff lashed everywhere on<BR>deck. He was singlehanding & =
still=20
the boat looked CRAMMED!<BR><BR>I've made three Florida/Bahamas Gulf =
Stream=20
crossings in sailboats. One of<BR>these crossings was one of =
my worst=20
experiences at sea & well beyond what<BR>you'd ever want to =
attempt in a=20
Rhodes 22. But, the other two were at the<BR>upper limit of =
the Rhodes=20
22's performance envelope. I have several<BR>suggestions =
before you=20
try this however:<BR><BR>1. If your Rhodes 22 has the bow anchor =
chain hawse=20
pipe, then find a way to<BR>plug<BR> the opening =
or you=20
may take a lot of water down below.<BR><BR>2. Add some foam weather=20
stripping to the underside of the pop top & rig=20
up<BR>a<BR> means of securing the pop top down to =
keep=20
your foam "gasket" in<BR>compression.<BR> A =
company called=20
DeStaco makes a wide variety of dogging clamps=20
that<BR>could<BR> be used for this =
purpose.<BR><BR>3.=20
Before you leave, make several 1/2" thick plywood cutouts in the =
shape=20
of<BR>your<BR> ports, both fixed & =
opening. Glue=20
a rubber gasket to one side of each<BR>of them =
&<BR> =20
drill matching holes thru them. These plywood pieces will be =
used=20
in<BR>pairs, one<BR> inside & one outside =
& thru=20
bolted, to plug a port which gets blown out<BR>at sea.<BR><BR>4. No =
matter=20
how you do it, the Gulf Stream crossing will be a very=20
long<BR>day.<BR> The weather will be absolutely=20
crucial. Consider leaving in the middle<BR>of=20
the<BR> night to give yourself as much daylight as =
possible on the other end.<BR>Consider<BR> taking =
on an=20
extra crew member for this leg of the trip to relieve=20
you.<BR>Consider<BR> installing a tiller =
pilot. I=20
have an AutoHelm ST1000+ & it steers our<BR>Rhodes=20
22<BR> very well.<BR><BR>5. Get yourself a good =
safety=20
harness & install solid anchor points=20
&<BR>jacklines<BR> on your Rhodes =
22.<BR><BR>Good=20
luck!<BR><BR>Roger Pihlaja<BR>S/V Dynamic =
Equilibrium<BR><BR> <BR>-----=20
Original Message ----- <BR><B>From:</B> <A =
href=3D"mailto:joscook@msn.com">J=20
Cook</A> <BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
=20
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 04, 2002 7:03 =
PM<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
[Rhodes22-list] Bahamas<BR><BR> <BR>Has anybody here sailed an =
R22 to=20
the Bahamas?</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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