[Rhodes22-list] V-berth flotation
Michael Meltzer
rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:47:25 -0400
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tow things I should mention here,
The weight that is incorporated in the compression post is part of the =
original Phil Rhodes spec, that why is filled,
The stringers and the v-berth are thier not only for thier use but to =
strengen the hull(same for alot of the other stuff), the hull empty it =
unfit to sail, it has no strenght. maybe I missed something here but the =
boat acts as a system not like a house where you only have to watchout =
for barring walls.
MJM
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Toad the Wet Sprocket=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] V-berth flotation
Denny, =20
Thanks for all of the input. Yes, my boat had a fiberglass top =
over the v-berth section. The PO must have had a water problem because =
he cut a hole in the panel to drop a bilge pump into the bow area and =
that is how I found out I had no flotation.
There was a plywood boxed off section against the rear bulkhead =
as deep as this area, about 18" wide and 24" front to back. There was a =
cover with a finger hole I drew up some sketches of what I want to do. =
I plan to cut the top off leaving about a 2" lip around the edge so I =
can glass a new panel over top when I am finished. I am not sure what =
to use or where to find panel material. Someone I talked to mentioned =
something called "star-board". I have to research it better first. If =
not I'll go with the 1/2" marine plywood. I am going to tear out the =
floor of the cabin, the galley area, and the stepped up area by the =
v-berth to check the integrity of the wood .....especially the area =
under the compression post/bulkhead. The post is only two 1 x 3's, and I =
may beef it up to overkill. Once I have the cabin floor out I want to =
drop it in the water once to check the hull for leaks before I go on. =
But there is no telling what else I am going to find. Then the fun =
begins.=20
I took a guess (I haven't measured yet) at the volume of the =
v-berth area to be about 13 cubic feet. What did you come up with and =
did it take the whole 2 gallons of pre-mix? (I know you have 4" less =
height) After thinking about your open design, it is giving me ideas to =
do the same. We will never be out more than the weekend and always use =
bottled and carried along water when ever we camp, rarely using the sink =
in our camper.
I am still waiting for the titling documents for my boat. Once I =
have them, I am going to bring the boat home where I can work on it more =
often. Now it's an hour away and 300 ft from an electrical outlet :^( =
Things will go much faster when I can step right from the garage/shop =
into the boat.
Berwick seems pretty land-locked. Are there lakes near where you =
live?
Todd
Please respond to sprocket80@hotmail.com
From: "Dennis J Sitler"=20
Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
To:=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] V-berth flotation=20
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:04:46 -0400=20
Hi Todd,=20
The foam was X-30 from Tapplastics. Look under molding and casting on =
the web site. It is interesting that you have a fiberglass panel in the =
v-berth. My boat had one too, but it was broken loose from the starboard =
side and that was how I figured there wasn't a foam block under it. It =
seems that the other boats that I have seen don't have these, but have a =
bulkhead with the foam forward and plywood on top. That is what I did =
with my boat. I removed the fiberglass insert, along with everything =
else in the cabin, except the large piece of cement ballast. I then put =
a bulkhead on each side of the cement. From the forward one I put foam =
and to the rear one I attached the seats and the floor. I put seats on =
each side as I didn't have a galley to copy or rebuild. I have some =
idea's on making a pop up sink in the end of one seat. I think my boat =
will have more of a day sailor look, but with what was left of a galley, =
and my amateur experience at boat building this is the way I went. So =
when I put the foam in I drew lines to the bow of the v-berth in a level =
plane. I then filled the open area until it was higher than the lines, =
and cut it down with a knife and a wood rasp. I then cut a section =
toward the front and epoxied a length of plywood across for something to =
fasten the 2 piece plywood top to in the front. I plan to seal the edges =
with can foam like Great Stuff and sand and paint. I have found that =
Great Stuff shrunk a little when I painted it with oil base primer =
though. I am putting a compression post from the cement block to the =
cabin top, so it will have a open look when it is done, when ever that =
may be. I have a lot more work to do as I'm sure you do, but I'm going =
sailing while I can on my small boat, or with friends, and will be =
working on the boat and trailer on rainy or winter days. I've given up =
for this year.=20
Denny,=20
1974 R22 Gossamer Wing=20
Berwick, PA=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Toad the Wet Sprocket=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:54 PM=20
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] V-berth flotation=20
Denny,=20
Thanks for the response. Was there a specific foam you used? You say =
it expands fast huh? How dense is it? I'll have to I could experiment =
with it first. I guess I'd have to remove the fiberglass panel over the =
V-berth area and cut any overflow down, rather than try to pour through =
a few cut-in access holes. I will probably box off a couple of small =
areas against the aft bulkhead for a water tank and second battery =
compartment as someone mentioned they had.=20
I would certainly like to see your pictures and share mine with you. =
I, as I am sure you are, am keeping a detailed journal with pictures. I =
am in the process of gutting the entire interior of the cabin. My boat =
apparently sat for a long time with the campanionway hatch partly open =
and had quite a bit of rain water inside. Luckily a battery supplying =
power to a couple of automatic bilge pumps must have run dead only =
recently. Since the tongue of the trailer was on the ground, the water =
pooled in the bow area....until some idiot (me) blocked the tongue up =
and flooded the cabin. We will have to connect and exchange mailing =
addresses.=20
Todd=20
Please respond to sprocket80@hotmail.com=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>tow things I should mention =
here,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The weight that is incorporated in the =
compression=20
post is part of the original Phil Rhodes spec, that why is =
filled,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The stringers and the v-berth are thier =
not only=20
for thier use but to strengen the hull(same for alot of the other =
stuff), the=20
hull empty it unfit to sail, it has no strenght. maybe I missed =
something here=20
but the boat acts as a system not like a house where you only have to =
watchout=20
for barring walls.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MJM</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dsprocket80@hotmail.com =
href=3D"mailto:sprocket80@hotmail.com">Toad the=20
Wet Sprocket</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
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href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</A>=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 09, =
2002 10:51=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Rhodes22-list] =
V-berth=20
flotation</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P>Denny, </P>
<P> Thanks for all of the input. Yes, my =
boat=20
had a fiberglass top over the v-berth section. The PO must have =
had a=20
water problem because he cut a hole in the panel to drop a bilge pump =
into the=20
bow area and that is how I found out I had no flotation.</P>
<P> There was a plywood boxed off section =
against the=20
rear bulkhead as deep as this area, about 18" wide and 24" front to =
back.=20
There was a cover with a finger hole I drew up some sketches of =
what I=20
want to do. I plan to cut the top off leaving about a 2" lip =
around the=20
edge so I can glass a new panel over top when I am finished. I =
am not=20
sure what to use or where to find panel material. Someone I =
talked to=20
mentioned something called "star-board". I have to =
research it=20
better first. If not I'll go with the 1/2" marine=20
plywood. I am going to tear out the floor of =
the=20
cabin, the galley area, and the stepped up area by the v-berth to =
check the=20
integrity of the wood .....especially the area under the compression=20
post/bulkhead. The post is only two 1 x 3's, and I may beef it up to=20
overkill. Once I have the cabin floor out I want to drop it in =
the water=20
once to check the hull for leaks before I go on. But there =
is no=20
telling what else I am going to find. Then the fun=20
begins. </P>
<DIV></DIV>
<P> I took a guess (I haven't measured yet) at the =
volume of=20
the v-berth area to be about 13 cubic feet. What did you come up =
with=20
and did it take the whole 2 gallons of pre-mix? (I know you have =
4" less=20
height) After thinking about your open design, it is giving me =
ideas to=20
do the same. We will never be out more than the weekend and =
always use=20
bottled and carried along water when ever we camp, rarely using =
the sink=20
in our camper.</P>
<P> I am still waiting for the titling documents for =
my=20
boat. Once I have them, I am going to bring the boat home where =
I can=20
work on it more often. Now it's an hour away and 300 ft from an=20
electrical outlet :^( Things will go much =
faster when=20
I can step right from the garage/shop into the boat.<BR></P>
<P>Berwick seems pretty land-locked. Are there lakes near where =
you=20
live?<BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Todd<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV>Please respond to <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:sprocket80@hotmail.com">sprocket80@hotmail.com</A></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>From: "Dennis J Sitler" <DJSITLER@GMPEXPRESS.NET>
<DIV></DIV>Reply-To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
<DIV></DIV>To: <RHODES22-LIST@RHODES22.ORG>
<DIV></DIV>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] V-berth flotation=20
<DIV></DIV>Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:04:46 -0400=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Hi Todd,=20
<DIV></DIV>The foam was X-30 from Tapplastics. Look under molding and =
casting=20
on the web site. It is interesting that you have a fiberglass panel in =
the=20
v-berth. My boat had one too, but it was broken loose from the =
starboard side=20
and that was how I figured there wasn't a foam block under it. It =
seems that=20
the other boats that I have seen don't have these, but have a bulkhead =
with=20
the foam forward and plywood on top. That is what I did with my boat. =
I=20
removed the fiberglass insert, along with everything else in the =
cabin, except=20
the large piece of cement ballast. I then put a bulkhead on each side =
of the=20
cement. From the forward one I put foam and to the rear one I attached =
the=20
seats and the floor. I put seats on each side as I didn't have a =
galley to=20
copy or rebuild. I have some idea's on making a pop up sink in the end =
of one=20
seat. I think my boat will have more of a day sailor look, but with =
what was=20
left of a galley, and my amateur experience at boat building this is =
the way I=20
went. So when I put the foam in I drew lines to the bow of the v-berth =
in a=20
level plane. I then filled the open area until it was higher than the =
lines,=20
and cut it down with a knife and a wood rasp. I then cut a section =
toward the=20
front and epoxied a length of plywood across for something to fasten =
the 2=20
piece plywood top to in the front. I plan to seal the edges with can =
foam like=20
Great Stuff and sand and paint. I have found that Great Stuff shrunk a =
little=20
when I painted it with oil base primer though. I am putting a =
compression post=20
from the cement block to the cabin top, so it will have a open look =
when it is=20
done, when ever that may be. I have a lot more work to do as I'm sure =
you do,=20
but I'm going sailing while I can on my small boat, or with friends, =
and will=20
be working on the boat and trailer on rainy or winter days. I've given =
up for=20
this year.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Denny,=20
<DIV></DIV>1974 R22 Gossamer Wing=20
<DIV></DIV>Berwick, PA=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV></DIV>From: Toad the Wet Sprocket=20
<DIV></DIV>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
<DIV></DIV>Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:54 PM=20
<DIV></DIV>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] V-berth flotation=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Denny,=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Thanks for the response. Was there a specific foam you =
used? You=20
say it expands fast huh? How dense is it? I'll have to I could =
experiment with=20
it first. I guess I'd have to remove the fiberglass panel over the =
V-berth=20
area and cut any overflow down, rather than try to pour through a few =
cut-in=20
access holes. I will probably box off a couple of small areas against =
the aft=20
bulkhead for a water tank and second battery compartment as someone =
mentioned=20
they had.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>I would certainly like to see your pictures and share mine =
with=20
you. I, as I am sure you are, am keeping a detailed journal with =
pictures. I=20
am in the process of gutting the entire interior of the cabin. My boat =
apparently sat for a long time with the campanionway hatch partly open =
and had=20
quite a bit of rain water inside. Luckily a battery supplying power to =
a=20
couple of automatic bilge pumps must have run dead only recently. =
Since the=20
tongue of the trailer was on the ground, the water pooled in the bow=20
area....until some idiot (me) blocked the tongue up and flooded the =
cabin. We=20
will have to connect and exchange mailing addresses.=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Todd=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Please respond to sprocket80@hotmail.com=20
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV></DIV></DIV><BR clear=3Dall>
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