[Rhodes22-list] everyone talked out
Bill Effros
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Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:23:36 -0400
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Tom,
Following is email I sent out on this topic 2 years ago. I now have the =
L&H system sufficiently well trained that I use it most of the time to =
dictate, and I correct using the Kurzweil system. L&H is now bankrupt, =
but they bought and dispersed all the smaller houses, breaking up the =
research teams in the process. The L&H system is quite remarkable, and =
there is no comparison between using it vs. typing. It is much much =
faster. No contest. Still the correction issue looms large, and must =
be addressed. The 2 systems I use share a common correction command =
system because one evolved from the other. I can't recommend any system =
today, and I don't think they will evolve much further. I am still the =
only person I know who routinely uses a voice recognition system. I do =
not recommend the system to slow readers, blind people, and dyslexic =
people--everything they turn out will require a decoder ring. My system =
now gets what I am trying to say 99% of the time. These new faster =
computers allow the system to capture everything I say at the speed I =
normally speak. The ability to correct is still the key. I can correct =
much faster using my voice system than I can using the typewriter.
All of the preceeding was typed. I thought when I started I was just =
going to send a little note and attach the email, and I thought that =
would take less time than going to the other program (the Dragon system =
that is the heart of the L&H program is much better when working inside =
its own special word processing program than it is when you use it in =
your normal program--so I would switch over and cut and paste. The =
Kurzweil system works perfectly in any program.)
If I had realized I was going to type this much I surely would have used =
the L&H system and saved myself a lot of time.
Bill Effros
John,
I use voice recognition software all the time.
I am currently using two different programs depending on what I'm trying =
to
do. My older program is word oriented, meaning I must speak one word at =
a
time, and put pauses between the words. My newer program is "continuous
speech" meaning I can speak in a fairly normal way.
The technology is dazzling, but far from perfect. I'm the only person I
know who uses it on a regular basis. I am no longer recommending it to
anyone who doesn't have a special need. Following is an email I sent to =
a
friend:
"I am out of brevity mode, using a continuous speech voice recognition
system. Boy, this technology is difficult. No puns. No convoluted =
syntax.
Once the system goes off on a tangent, there's no getting back.
At the same time, it's so close. The problem is that 95% is not nearly =
good
enough. If you don't correct through the system it never gets smarter.
Using the system correction mode is time-consuming and counter =
intuitive.
Among other problems, it is very difficult for the system to know the
difference between issuing a command, and saying a word.
Oh, well. Maybe if I stay out of brevity mode (it learned that phrase =
since
the beginning of this email--you should have seen what it tried the =
first
time around) and use it for email and other and non-essential tasks I =
can
ramp it up to the point where it's useful. "
John--
I use the continuous speech voice recognition program to compose my =
work,
then I use the word oriented program to correct it. I find in the
continuous speech program it is very difficult to control the cursor =
using
voice alone. The word oriented system is much easier to control by =
voice,
both in terms of cursor control, and correction.
I am using the continuous voice recognition program for this email. Up =
to
this point, I have been erect a new as I go that should be "our acting =
as I
told"-- 8.8 wrong again. This is a perfect example of the problem. =
Once
the program becomes confused within a sentence, it is extremely =
difficult to
straighten it out.
I will not correct to their manger of this email, so you can get a sense =
of
hell off and it makes mistakes, and how far the mistakes are from the
message I'm trying to convey. Your friend will find this very =
frustrating.
A the word-oriented system is much more controllable. I've been using =
it
for for over five years-- (that should have been for to or five years-- =
it's
having a lot of trouble with the sentence fragments) a
John--
I've just switched word recognition programs. I got so frustrated using =
the
other system, I couldn't take it anymore. I am correcting again, =
because
the correction system in this program is so much more effective. Also, =
I
have switched from the proprietary optimized text entry program provided =
by
L&H to the program I am actually using. I cut and pasted the previous =
text
to Internet Explorer. The word oriented program is designed to work
properly within any other program. The continuous speech program is
supposed to do that also, but you soon discover it works much better in =
the
optimized program. For the purposes of this email it will take me far =
less
time to use this ostensibly slower system. The word oriented program =
also
navigates both Windows and the Internet better.
I guess I'm saying I think the older, word oriented system would be =
better
for your friend if she can find it. I'm controlling the system solely =
by
voice, not using the mouse as I normally would. This system is =
extremely
well trained -- something I can do entirely by voice. It doesn't come =
out
of the box understanding anyone as well as this system now understands =
me.
It spells every word correctly. I don't think I could type as quickly =
as I
can dictate using this system.
The older system is Kurzweil Voice. The newer system is L&H Voice =
Express.
L&H bought Kurzweil. I believe they also bought Dragon. Microsoft owns =
a
large part of L&H. The newest versions of Microsoft software are being
optimized for L&H voice recognition. If your friend decides to proceed =
I
would strongly recommend she work with L&H products. The playing field =
is
not level, and Microsoft will win.
The faster your computer, the better these voice recognition programs =
work.
Most specify Sound Blaster sound cards, although others will work. =
Since
you know in advance you will have recognition problems, I install Sound
Blaster cards simply to remove a variable. Maybe some other card is =
better.
I hope this helps.
Bill Effros
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Ward" <johnward3@akamail.com>
To: <rhodes-list@sailnet.net>
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 1:09 AM
Subject: [rhodes] Voice recognition
> A friend has macular degeneration to the point she can no longer use =
her
> PC. She's interested in voice recognition software.
>
> I know Michael and others are using voice recognition software. What =
are
> you using, what do you recommend, what equipment do you need to run =
it?
> And I guess, does it work for you?
>
> Thanks,
> John and Nell Ward
> Fountaintown IN
> SV New Song
> johnward3@akamail.com
>
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From: SVTRITON@aol.com=20
To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] everyone talked out
mark and mike=20
have you found a voice system you like..i tried via voice and was not =
happy with it...it was about 3 yrs ago=20
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<DIV>Tom,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Following is email I sent out on this topic 2 years ago. I =
now have=20
the L&H system sufficiently well trained that I use it most of the =
time to=20
dictate, and I correct using the Kurzweil system. L&H is now =
bankrupt,=20
but they bought and dispersed all the smaller houses, breaking up the =
research=20
teams in the process. The L&H system is quite remarkable, and =
there is=20
no comparison between using it vs. typing. It is much much =
faster. =20
No contest. Still the correction issue looms large, and must be=20
addressed. The 2 systems I use share a common =
correction command=20
system because one evolved from the other. I can't recommend any =
system=20
today, and I don't think they will evolve much further. I am still =
the=20
only person I know who routinely uses a voice recognition system. =
I do not=20
recommend the system to slow readers, blind people, and dyslexic=20
people--everything they turn out will require a decoder ring. My =
system=20
now gets what I am trying to say 99% of the time. These new faster =
computers allow the system to capture everything I say at the speed I =
normally=20
speak. The ability to correct is still the key. I can =
correct much=20
faster using my voice system than I can using the typewriter.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>All of the preceeding was typed. I thought when I started I =
was just=20
going to send a little note and attach the email, and I thought that =
would take=20
less time than going to the other program (the Dragon system that is the =
heart=20
of the L&H program is much better when working inside its own =
special word=20
processing program than it is when you use it in your normal program--so =
I would=20
switch over and cut and paste. The Kurzweil system works perfectly =
in any=20
program.)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If I had realized I was going to type this much I surely would have =
used=20
the L&H system and saved myself a lot of time.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Bill Effros</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>John,<BR><BR>I use voice recognition software all the =
time.<BR><BR>I am=20
currently using two different programs depending on what I'm trying=20
to<BR>do. My older program is word oriented, meaning I must speak =
one word=20
at a<BR>time, and put pauses between the words. My newer program =
is=20
"continuous<BR>speech" meaning I can speak in a fairly normal =
way.<BR><BR>The=20
technology is dazzling, but far from perfect. I'm the only person=20
I<BR>know who uses it on a regular basis. I am no longer =
recommending it=20
to<BR>anyone who doesn't have a special need. Following is an =
email I sent=20
to a<BR>friend:<BR><BR>"I am out of brevity mode, using a continuous =
speech=20
voice recognition<BR>system. Boy, this technology is difficult. No puns. =
No=20
convoluted syntax.<BR>Once the system goes off on a tangent, there's no =
getting=20
back.<BR><BR>At the same time, it's so close. The problem is that 95% is =
not=20
nearly good<BR>enough. If you don't correct through the system it never =
gets=20
smarter.<BR>Using the system correction mode is time-consuming and =
counter=20
intuitive.<BR>Among other problems, it is very difficult for the system =
to know=20
the<BR>difference between issuing a command, and saying a =
word.<BR><BR>Oh, well.=20
Maybe if I stay out of brevity mode (it learned that phrase since<BR>the =
beginning of this email--you should have seen what it tried the =
first<BR>time=20
around) and use it for email and other and non-essential tasks I =
can<BR>ramp it=20
up to the point where it's useful. "<BR><BR>John--<BR><BR>I use the =
continuous=20
speech voice recognition program to compose my work,<BR>then I use the =
word=20
oriented program to correct it. I find in the<BR>continuous speech =
program=20
it is very difficult to control the cursor using<BR>voice alone. =
The word=20
oriented system is much easier to control by voice,<BR>both in terms of =
cursor=20
control, and correction.<BR><BR>I am using the continuous voice =
recognition=20
program for this email. Up to<BR>this point, I have been erect a =
new as I=20
go that should be "our acting as I<BR>told"-- 8.8 wrong again. =
This is a=20
perfect example of the problem. Once<BR>the program becomes =
confused=20
within a sentence, it is extremely difficult to<BR>straighten it =
out.<BR><BR>I=20
will not correct to their manger of this email, so you can get a sense=20
of<BR>hell off and it makes mistakes, and how far the mistakes are from=20
the<BR>message I'm trying to convey. Your friend will find this =
very=20
frustrating.<BR><BR>A the word-oriented system is much more =
controllable. =20
I've been using it<BR>for for over five years-- (that should have been =
for to or=20
five years-- it's<BR>having a lot of trouble with the sentence =
fragments)=20
a<BR><BR>John--<BR><BR>I've just switched word recognition =
programs. I got=20
so frustrated using the<BR>other system, I couldn't take it =
anymore. I am=20
correcting again, because<BR>the correction system in this program is so =
much=20
more effective. Also, I<BR>have switched from the proprietary =
optimized=20
text entry program provided by<BR>L&H to the program I am actually=20
using. I cut and pasted the previous text<BR>to Internet =
Explorer. =20
The word oriented program is designed to work<BR>properly within any =
other=20
program. The continuous speech program is<BR>supposed to do that =
also, but=20
you soon discover it works much better in the<BR>optimized =
program. For=20
the purposes of this email it will take me far less<BR>time to use this=20
ostensibly slower system. The word oriented program =
also<BR>navigates both=20
Windows and the Internet better.<BR><BR>I guess I'm saying I think the =
older,=20
word oriented system would be better<BR>for your friend if she can find=20
it. I'm controlling the system solely by<BR>voice, not using the =
mouse as=20
I normally would. This system is extremely<BR>well trained -- =
something I=20
can do entirely by voice. It doesn't come out<BR>of the box =
understanding=20
anyone as well as this system now understands me.<BR>It spells every =
word=20
correctly. I don't think I could type as quickly as I<BR>can =
dictate using=20
this system.<BR><BR>The older system is Kurzweil Voice. The newer =
system=20
is L&H Voice Express.<BR>L&H bought Kurzweil. I believe =
they also=20
bought Dragon. Microsoft owns a<BR>large part of L&H. =
The newest=20
versions of Microsoft software are being<BR>optimized for L&H voice=20
recognition. If your friend decides to proceed I<BR>would strongly =
recommend she work with L&H products. The playing field =
is<BR>not=20
level, and Microsoft will win.<BR><BR>The faster your computer, the =
better these=20
voice recognition programs work.<BR>Most specify Sound Blaster sound =
cards,=20
although others will work. Since<BR>you know in advance you will =
have=20
recognition problems, I install Sound<BR>Blaster cards simply to remove =
a=20
variable. Maybe some other card is better.<BR><BR>I hope this=20
helps.<BR><BR>Bill Effros<BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message =
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Monday, September 25, 2000 1:09 AM<BR>Subject: [rhodes] Voice=20
recognition<BR><BR><BR>> A friend has macular degeneration to the =
point she=20
can no longer use her<BR>> PC. She's interested in voice =
recognition=20
software.<BR>><BR>> I know Michael and others are using voice =
recognition=20
software. What are<BR>> you using, what do you recommend, what=20
equipment do you need to run it?<BR>> And I guess, does it work for=20
you?<BR>><BR>> Thanks,<BR>> John and Nell Ward<BR>> =
Fountaintown=20
IN<BR>> SV New Song<BR>> <A=20
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<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D2>mark and mike =
<BR>have=20
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