[Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Continental 22' - 1976?
Rik Sandberg
rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
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Mimi,
Well, I'll give you my opinion and of course, it isn't biased in the least
:-) :-)
When I first looked at that web site, going on three years ago now, I
thought just about the same thing you just said. Too good to be true??? Not
really. You'll find that Stan isn't exaggerating. This boat pretty much
does what he says it will do.
I'd been cruising the internet for about 4 months looking at anything I
could find about sailing and sailboats and had just about made up my mind
to go out and by another brand of boat, when I stumbled onto the general
boat page. I may have read through that whole site 3 or 4 times that
weekend. I was smitten. My wife and I have ambitions to cruise and while
this may not be the ideal boat for long term ocean cruising, it is great
for the shorter term cruising we have time for now. You just won't find
another 22 foot boat that is packed full of the cruising type amenities
that this boat has. Believe me I have done some comparing.
As far as simplicity goes, the R 22 is the first boat I have ever owned, so
I'm not what anyone would call an expert sailor. My wife and I always go
out alone. Since we don't get a whole lot of free time, we have to take
whatever conditions there are when we're out, if we want to get any sailing
done at all. We have had conditions from flat water with 5 - 10 knot
breezes to 20 - 25 with 30 knot gusts and 3 - 4 foot waves. I am happy to
report that the boat has handled it all pretty much flawlessly, even though
the skipper takes a while to catch on sometimes. You'll find that if you
try to drive the boat too hard or catch an unexpected gust and it gets to
heeling too much, it'll "round up" into the wind. At that point, if things
were a little too wild, it's a simple matter to just roll up a little sail,
bear off and start out again. I do have both the furling Genoa and the IMF
main, so reefing for me is a simple matter of pulling 2 lines. Might take
30 seconds, if that. I know that the boat you are looking at is a 76 (?) or
so, but the design of this hull has remained unchanged since they started
building these boats in 1969. So, your boats sailing characteristics should
be pretty much the same as all of ours, given a comparable sail plan.
This boat has what is called a combination shoal keel/centerboard. The
actual keel sticks down from the hull about a foot. This is where the
ballast (or most of it) is. In the middle of the bottom of the keel, from
front to back, is a long slot. Inside this slot hides the centerboard. The
centerboard on my boat looks pretty much the same as the rudder. At the top
(you can't see this) it has a pivot point so you can let it swing down by
releasing a line in the cockpit. This is pretty important for sailing
anywhere to windward as it controls your leeway. When it's down your boat
will draw about 4 feet of water. The advantage of the swing centerboard is
that, when you want to go into shallower water, you can pull the
centerboard up and you will still be able to sail till the water is around
2 feet deep. You can't do this with a swing keel or dagger board that pulls
all the way up into the hull, leaving nothing but the round shape of the
hull in the water. This is great for slipping into a shallow bay to anchor
for the night, or just exploring shallow waters, etc. You will hear a lot
of folks with pure shoal keels complain about the windward sailing
abilities of their boats. The pure shoal keel just isn't efficient enough.
The centerboard cures this problem.
The boat is unsinkable because it has a large foam block both under the
cockpit floor and under the v-berth.
There have been many options added over the years. I believe most of them
can be added to almost any R 22, since the basic design of the boat has
always stayed the same.
The simplicity of the mast raising process is mostly due to a pretty nice
mast hoist system built by General boats. I have this and I can easily
raise my mast, on the trailer, or in the water, by myself.
Yes, I sit in my boat sometimes too and just dream. It's sorta like a mini
vacation. We refer to this as "zen sailing" on the list. :-) Some of us are
expert zen sailors :-) :-)
Hope this helps,
Rik
At 08:48 PM 9/13/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Thanks Rik. I just read through the very long 'Review' page of the
>website... this boat sounds too good to be true!
>
>I'm particularly intrigued by what is referred to (pardon me as I'm not
>totally up on all current sailing lingo so I'll do my best) as the
>combination of both a fixed keel, as well as the centerboard. Seems like
>the best of both worlds. Trailerable, but good ballast. They claim it
>is (I think I read this somewhere) unsinkable and uncapsizeable due to the
>ballast of this. Is that true of the older models as well? Given that
>this is my first step into the world of sailing a bigger boat than a
>sunfish, that sounds wonderfully reassuring. I know that caution is
>always a good idea, but to know that the boat is healthy is a good thing.
>
>Do the older boats have many of the same features of the newer ones...
>i.e. easy to mount mast, good stability, etc? I recognize that I need to
>do some sprucing up of the woodwork and pretty goodies in the cabin area,
>but that's the fun details that can be handled later... safety and a solid
>boat are far more important to me at this point.
>
>Heck - I look forward just to having it sitting in my driveway this
>winter, and sitting out on a warmer winter's day with a book in the
>cockpit and dreaming about what it will be like next summer!!!!! I'm
>afraid to say I'm smitten by this boat!!!
>
>Mimi
>
>
>
>
>Rik Sandberg wrote:
>> Hello Mimi,
>>
>>Welcome to the R 22 list. You'll have to excuse Michael, he knows this
>>boat pretty much inside and out, but he doesn't spell too well. You'll
>>catch on to the translation thing after a bit, 'till you do the rest of
>>will pitch in and help decode. There are several others here too that
>>have a lot of experience with this boat. Don't be shy to ask any
>>questions that come to mind. If that boat's in any kind of decent shape
>>at all, sound like a pretty good bargain to me. Especially if it comes
>>with a newer outboard and a trailer.
>>
>>But, like Michael says, the best place to start is the General Boat
>>Rhodes 22 web site and the FAQ. Once you have looked these over, you will
>>be able to ask better questions and get better answers.
>>
>>www.rhodes22.org
>>
>>Rik
>>
>>
>>At 06:39 PM 9/13/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>>>
>>>ok, I'll try to respond so that you can offer more advice...
>>>Michael Meltzer wrote:
>>>>how handily are you,
>>>pretty good on interior type stuff that the cabin would need... ok on
>>>other stuff if someone is willing to show me what to do (light carpentry
>>>type stuff)
>>>>how much experience with boat work,
>>>not much, but see above!
>>>>are you OK not sailing for a session or two,
>>>Not sure what you mean by this... did you mean a 'season' or two... i.e.
>>>time to fix her up?
>>>>do you have 200-500 hours advable.
>>>WHOA!!! For what?
>>>>are you ready to spend 6000+- on the boat.
>>>They're asking only $2000 (friends), which is well within budget.
>>>>I not trying to be funny or talkyou out of it, thier a longer post
>>>>comming depending how you reply. BTW what your buget range. MJM
>>>Thanks for any info.
>>>
>>>Mimi
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From:<mailto:mimi@cape.com>Mimi Schlichter
>>>>To: <mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
>>>>Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 6:26 PM
>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Continental 22' - 1976?
>>>> Hello everyone...
>>>>
>>>>I'm new to this list, as I am just now contemplating purchase of a
>>>>boat... in particular , an oldie but goodie Rhodes continental 22',
>>>>circa 1974-1976. Anybody out there who has one who can give me their
>>>>opinion on the boat, what I should look for in/on it before purchase,
>>>>and approx. value? I've seen it on trailer... though the inside of the
>>>>cabin looks a bit tired and in need of refreshing, the boat itself and
>>>>the riggins seem to be in fine shape.
>>>>
>>>>I live on Cape Cod (Buzzards Bay side - more protected)... have sailed
>>>>a Sunfish all of my life... and am just now entertaining getting into a
>>>>'real boat'. Not looking to race or do longdistance type stuff... just
>>>>go out for the day and putter.
>>>>
>>>>Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>Mimi Schlichter
>>>>North Falmouth, MA
>>>>
>>>> *******
>>>>
>>>>Please take a look at my websites...
>>>>
>>>><http://www.artworkbymimi.com>http://www.artworkbymimi.com
>>>>Paintings to bring you joy!
>>>>
>>>><http://www.melaleuca.com>http://www.melaleuca.com
>>>>Peace of mind through safer,
>>>>healthier, less expensiveshopping!
>>>>
>>>>Blessings of joy and peace to you!
>>>>
>>>>Mimi Schlichter
>>>>
>>>>508-548-9096
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>> *******
>>>
>>>Please take a look at my websites...
>>>
>>><http://www.artworkbymimi.com>http://www.artworkbymimi.com
>>>Paintings to bring you joy!
>>>
>>><http://www.melaleuca.com>http://www.melaleuca.com
>>>Peace of mind through safer,
>>>healthier, less expensiveshopping!
>>>
>>>Blessings of joy and peace to you!
>>>
>>>Mimi Schlichter
>>>
>>>508-548-9096
>>>
>>>
>
>
>--
> *******
>
>Please take a look at my websites...
>
><http://www.artworkbymimi.com>http://www.artworkbymimi.com
>Paintings to bring you joy!
>
><http://www.melaleuca.com>http://www.melaleuca.com
>Peace of mind through safer,
>healthier, less expensiveshopping!
>
>Blessings of joy and peace to you!
>
>Mimi Schlichter
>
>508-548-9096
>
>
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Mimi,<br><br>
Well, I'll give you my opinion and of course, it isn't biased in the
least :-) :-)<br><br>
When I first looked at that web site, going on three years ago now, I
thought just about the same thing you just said. Too good to be true???
Not really. You'll find that Stan isn't exaggerating. This boat pretty
much does what he says it will do.<br><br>
I'd been cruising the internet for about 4 months looking at anything I
could find about sailing and sailboats and had just about made up my mind
to go out and by another brand of boat, when I stumbled onto the general
boat page. I may have read through that whole site 3 or 4 times that
weekend. I was smitten. My wife and I have ambitions to cruise and while
this may not be the ideal boat for long term ocean cruising, it is great
for the shorter term cruising we have time for now. You just won't find
another 22 foot boat that is packed full of the cruising type amenities
that this boat has. Believe me I have done some comparing.<br><br>
As far as simplicity goes, the R 22 is the first boat I have ever owned,
so I'm not what anyone would call an expert sailor. My wife and I always
go out alone. Since we don't get a whole lot of free time, we have to
take whatever conditions there are when we're out, if we want to get any
sailing done at all. We have had conditions from flat water with 5 - 10
knot breezes to 20 - 25 with 30 knot gusts and 3 - 4 foot waves. I am
happy to report that the boat has handled it all pretty much flawlessly,
even though the skipper takes a while to catch on sometimes. You'll find
that if you try to drive the boat too hard or catch an unexpected gust
and it gets to heeling too much, it'll "round up" into the
wind. At that point, if things were a little too wild, it's a simple
matter to just roll up a little sail, bear off and start out again. I do
have both the furling Genoa and the IMF main, so reefing for me is a
simple matter of pulling 2 lines. Might take 30 seconds, if that. I know
that the boat you are looking at is a 76 (?) or so, but the design of
this hull has remained unchanged since they started building these boats
in 1969. So, your boats sailing characteristics should be pretty much the
same as all of ours, given a comparable sail plan.<br><br>
This boat has what is called a combination shoal keel/centerboard. The
actual keel sticks down from the hull about a foot. This is where the
ballast (or most of it) is. In the middle of the bottom of the keel, from
front to back, is a long slot. Inside this slot hides the centerboard.
The centerboard on my boat looks pretty much the same as the rudder. At
the top (you can't see this) it has a pivot point so you can let it swing
down by releasing a line in the cockpit. This is pretty important for
sailing anywhere to windward as it controls your leeway. When it's down
your boat will draw about 4 feet of water. The advantage of the swing
centerboard is that, when you want to go into shallower water, you can
pull the centerboard up and you will still be able to sail till the water
is around 2 feet deep. You can't do this with a swing keel or dagger
board that pulls all the way up into the hull, leaving nothing but the
round shape of the hull in the water. This is great for slipping into a
shallow bay to anchor for the night, or just exploring shallow waters,
etc. You will hear a lot of folks with pure shoal keels complain about
the windward sailing abilities of their boats. The pure shoal keel just
isn't efficient enough. The centerboard cures this problem.<br><br>
The boat is unsinkable because it has a large foam block both under the
cockpit floor and under the v-berth.<br><br>
There have been many options added over the years. I believe most of them
can be added to almost any R 22, since the basic design of the boat has
always stayed the same.<br><br>
The simplicity of the mast raising process is mostly due to a pretty nice
mast hoist system built by General boats. I have this and I can easily
raise my mast, on the trailer, or in the water, by myself.<br><br>
Yes, I sit in my boat sometimes too and just dream. It's sorta like a
mini vacation. We refer to this as "zen sailing" on the list.
:-) Some of us are expert zen sailors :-) :-)<br><br>
Hope this helps,<br>
Rik<br>
<br><br>
<br><br>
At 08:48 PM 9/13/2002 -0400, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite>Thanks Rik. I just read
through the very long 'Review' page of the website... this boat sounds
too good to be true! <br><br>
I'm particularly intrigued by what is referred to (pardon me as I'm not
totally up on all current sailing lingo so I'll do my best) as the
combination of both a fixed keel, as well as the centerboard. Seems
like the best of both worlds. Trailerable, but good
ballast. They claim it is (I think I read this somewhere)
unsinkable and uncapsizeable due to the ballast of this. Is that
true of the older models as well? Given that this is my first step
into the world of sailing a bigger boat than a sunfish, that sounds
wonderfully reassuring. I know that caution is always a good idea,
but to know that the boat is healthy is a good thing. <br>
<br>
Do the older boats have many of the same features of the newer ones...
i.e. easy to mount mast, good stability, etc? I recognize that I
need to do some sprucing up of the woodwork and pretty goodies in the
cabin area, but that's the fun details that can be handled later...
safety and a solid boat are far more important to me at this point.
<br><br>
Heck - I look forward just to having it sitting in my driveway this
winter, and sitting out on a warmer winter's day with a book in the
cockpit and dreaming about what it will be like next summer!!!!!
I'm afraid to say I'm smitten by this boat!!! <br><br>
Mimi <br>
<br>
<br>
<br><br>
Rik Sandberg wrote: <br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite> Hello Mimi, <br><br>
Welcome to the R 22 list. You'll have to excuse Michael, he knows this
boat pretty much inside and out, but he doesn't spell too well. You'll
catch on to the translation thing after a bit, 'till you do the rest of
will pitch in and help decode. There are several others here too that
have a lot of experience with this boat. Don't be shy to ask any
questions that come to mind. If that boat's in any kind of decent shape
at all, sound like a pretty good bargain to me. Especially if it comes
with a newer outboard and a trailer. <br><br>
But, like Michael says, the best place to start is the General Boat
Rhodes 22 web site and the FAQ. Once you have looked these over, you will
be able to ask better questions and get better answers. <br><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.rhodes22.org/" eudora=3D"autourl">www.rhodes22.org</a>
<br><br>
Rik <br>
<br><br>
At 06:39 PM 9/13/2002 -0400, you wrote: <br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite> <br>
ok, I'll try to respond so that you can offer more advice... <br>
Michael Meltzer wrote: <br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite><font size=3D2>how handily are=
you,</font></blockquote>pretty good on interior type stuff that the cabin=
would need... ok on other stuff if someone is willing to show me what to do=
(light carpentry type stuff) <br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite><font size=3D2>how much experience=
with boat work,</font></blockquote>not much, but see above! <br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite><font size=3D2>are you OK not=
sailing for a session or two,</font></blockquote>Not sure what you mean by=
this... did you mean a 'season' or two... i.e. time to fix her up? <br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite><font size=3D2>do you have 200-500=
hours advable.</font></blockquote>WHOA!!! For what? <br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite><font size=3D2>are you ready to=
spend 6000+- on the boat.</font></blockquote>They're asking only $2000=
(friends), which is well within budget. <br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite><font size=3D2>I not trying to be=
funny or talkyou out of it, thier a longer post comming depending how you=
reply. BTW what your buget range.</font> <font=
size=3D2>MJM</font></blockquote>Thanks for any info. <br><br>
Mimi <br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite> =20
<dl>
<dd>----- Original Message -----=20
<dd>From:<a href=3D"mailto:mimi@cape.com">Mimi Schlichter</a>=20
<dd>To: <a=
href=3D"mailto:rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org">rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org</a>=
=20
<dd>Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 6:26 PM=20
<dd>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Continental 22' - 1976?=20
<dd> Hello everyone...=20
<dd> =20
<dd>I'm new to this list, as I am just now contemplating purchase of a=
boat... in particular , an oldie but goodie Rhodes continental 22', circa=
1974-1976. Anybody out there who has one who can give me their=
opinion on the boat, what I should look for in/on it before purchase, and=
approx. value? I've seen it on trailer... though the inside of the=
cabin looks a bit tired and in need of refreshing, the boat itself and the=
riggins seem to be in fine shape.=20
<dd> =20
<dd>I live on Cape Cod (Buzzards Bay side - more protected)... have sailed a=
Sunfish all of my life... and am just now entertaining getting into a 'real=
boat'. Not looking to race or do longdistance type stuff... just go=
out for the day and putter.=20
<dd> =20
<dd>Thoughts?=20
<dd> =20
<dd>Thanks!=20
<dd> =20
<dd>Mimi Schlichter=20
<dd>North Falmouth, MA=20
<dd> =20
<dd> =
*******=20
<dd> =20
<dd>Please take a look at my websites...=20
<dd> =20
<dd><a href=3D"http://www.artworkbymimi.com">http://www.artworkbymimi.com</a=
>=20
<dd>Paintings to bring you joy!=20
<dd> =20
<dd><a href=3D"http://www.melaleuca.com">http://www.melaleuca.com</a>=20
<dd>Peace of mind through safer,=20
<dd>healthier, less expensiveshopping!=20
<dd> =20
<dd>Blessings of joy and peace to you!=20
<dd> =20
<dd>Mimi Schlichter=20
<dd> =20
<dd>508-548-9096=20
<dd> =20
<dd> =20
</dl></blockquote><br>
-- <br>
&nbs=
p; ******* <br><br>
Please take a look at my websites... <br><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.artworkbymimi.com">http://www.artworkbymimi.com</a>=
<br>
Paintings to bring you joy! <br><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.melaleuca.com">http://www.melaleuca.com</a> <br>
Peace of mind through safer, <br>
healthier, less expensiveshopping! <br><br>
Blessings of joy and peace to you! <br><br>
Mimi Schlichter <br><br>
508-548-9096 <br>
<br>
</blockquote></blockquote><br><br>
-- <br>
&nbs=
p; ******* <br><br>
<b><i>Please take a look at my websites...</i></b> <br><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.artworkbymimi.com">http://www.artworkbymimi.com</a>=
<br>
<i>Paintings to bring you joy!</i> <br><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.melaleuca.com">http://www.melaleuca.com</a> <br>
<i>Peace of mind through safer,</i> <br>
<i>healthier, less expensiveshopping!</i> <br><br>
<b><i>Blessings of joy and peace to you!</i></b> <br><br>
<b><i>Mimi Schlichter</i></b> <br><br>
508-548-9096 <br>
<br>
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