[Rhodes22-list] Peter's Questions

Fri Aug 1 13:31:26 EDT 2003

Peter,
	You have asked a bunch of questions.  Some people on this list
would be able to answer some of the question, but I think there is only
one person who could answer all the questions and I do not know if even
he could.
	Did Columbia make the Rhodes22?  I can not answer this question.
But can bring some facts out.  Columbia Yachts acquired Coronado Yachts
and then made boats with both labels.  There was a Coronado 22 which
allegedly was made from 1967 to 1969.  Coronado sailboats was acquired
by Columbia Sailboats in 1968, so there were 22' sailboats make by
Columbia.  Note that this all occurred before 1970.  Columbia made
sailboats until the early 1980's.  They probably still had the 22' molds
and may have used them.  If you ever have seen a picture of a Coronado
22 in the water, its hull resembled a Rhodes in shape but it was a keel
boat, not a centerboard.  So if their name is on a centerboard boat,
then we can ask questions.
	Two things that should be on a Rhodes 22 is a name plate that
says Rhodes22.  That is usually found on back of the sides of the boat.
The second thing to look for is the boat manufacturer id (MIC).  CLV was
retired in August 1982.  see:
http://www.cgaux.org/cgauxweb/public/pubframe.htm
	So, I would look to see if the boat has a plate on sides at the
back that says Rhodes22.  While you are looking at that, get the MIC and
bring that information back to the list for discussion.  There are many
on the list who are quite happy with Rhodes22's made during the 1970's.
			Ed K

-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:03 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] please help

Peter,

In the 1970s the Chinese bought a Boeing 707, took it apart, duplicated
every part, and put their own version back together again.  It looked
just like a 707, only it couldn't fly because the center of gravity was
not in the right place.  The Chinese abandoned their "copy the 707"
project.

The R-22 is also carefully balanced.  I'm sure the boat you are looking
at will float, but it won't sail like one of Stan's R-22s.  The tip off
is that Stan won't recycle those hulls.  They were not built to his
standards.

I wouldn't buy that boat.  There are plenty of older boats available at
very low prices if you are willing to do a lot of work.  There are
always several people on this list who have gone that route, and will be
happy to help you.

There are also many people who bought recycled boats from Stan at widely
varying prices, and all who have posted seem to feel they got their
money's worth.

Some of the people who bought handy-man specials report that they would
have spent less and gotten more if they had bought recycled boats from
Stan in the first place.

Bill Effros 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Peter Thorn 
To: Rhodes 22 List Members 
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 12:50 AM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] please help

I found a Rhodes 22 at a tempting price, however evidently not built by
General Boats.  Can any of you offer advice or do you know anything
about this.

At one time, did General Boats "subcontract" the fiberglass work to
Columbia Yachts?   Did someone at Columbia Yachts sell a few "out the
back door"?  Stan was obviously unhappy about this.  

Isn't a 20 year old boat, built by the same folks who did the fiberglass
work then, just like any other 20 year old boat?   Maybe, maybe not.
Caveat emptor, right?

Can the purchaser get in trouble with anyone by buying an unlicensed
boat? 

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