[Rhodes22-list] slides vs digital camera

Tue Aug 5 23:05:41 EDT 2003

Wally, David,

35 mm film cameras still have an edge over digitals when it comes to water
resistance & ruggedness.  On my outdoor adventures, I use a Pentax IQZoom
105-WR Date.  This thing is Class V weather resistant, meaning it's OK to
shoot in heavy rain & spray.  Heck, when it gets dirty, the manual
recommends washing it under running water from the tap in the sink!  I've
cleaned it under the water from a hand cranked well pump & by squirting it
with water from a water bottle.  Try that with your digital camera & watch
it fry!  The 38 mm - 105 mm autofocus/power zoom optics are coated with
special abrasion/scratch resistant coatings.  All the moving parts are
sealed with gaskets or O-Rings & the case is rubber armored to be grippy &
take a beating.  I've been using mine just about 3 years now & it hasn't
glitched once.  This usage has included my "Around The Tip Of The Mitt" Lake
Huron/Lake Michigan catamaran delivery cruise last fall, a cruise vacation
to the Virgin Islands, a couple of canoe trips, several backpacking trips
including three Polar Bear Winter Camping Trips & eight days in the rugged
Isle Royale National Park, a couple of mountain bike trips complete with the
usual wipe-outs with the camera on board in a handlebar pack, two horseback
riding trips, & numerous day sails on our R-22.  My son, Daniel, used the
Pentax on a white water rafting trip on the Class IV - V rapids on the New
River in W. Virginia in the spring of 2003.  If you are going to get good
action or wildlife shots; then, the camera must be always readily accessible
& thus vulnerable to receiving punishment.  The Pentax has been very wet &
dirty more than once.  Before I bought the Pentax, I looked at digitals &
couldn't find anything on the market at that time that was even close to
being rugged & water resistant enough.  Just this year, Olympus has started
offering digital cameras that are starting to close this outdoor performance
gap, but they're still not on par with 35 mm film cameras.  I hate having to
baby my equipment, including cameras.  It may be more work to digitize
pictures after the fact with a scanner; but, that's much preferable to no
pictures at all because your digital camera wasn't up to the environmental
punishment or it was packed safely away & you couldn't get to it in real
time to take the shot.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] slides vs digital camera

> David,
>
> I used to sell high end Macs, image setters, slide and drum scanners to
the
> digital pre-press industry. A few years ago all of my customers still
liked
> slides. It sounds like digital has bridged the quality gap. You still see
a
> bunch of the pros sticking to the old gear though. Is this because they
> don't want to spend the money on new equipment?
>
> I have always been a autofocus (point and shoot) guy and don't know much
> about cameras.  I love my Fuj Digital camera though!  You can't beat the
> instant gratification and the low cost to view a pic.
>
> Wally
>
>
> >From: "David Walker" <david.walker5 at comcast.net>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Rain Storm - slides vs digital camera
> >Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:39:22 -0400
> >
> >Wally,
> >
> >I spent a number of years convincing myself that scaning slides was
better
> >than direct digital.  That changed about a year ago when I worked along
> >side
> >another pro documenting our son's championship soccer season.  I shot
film
> >and scanned, he shot a Nikon D1.  His stuff blew mine out of the water
(and
> >the D1 is a generation behind, 2.2 MP camera).
> >
> >I finally bought a Nikon D100 about 6 months ago.  I shave shot very
little
> >film since.  The D100 is a 6 MP camera and produces phenomenal images.
> >
> >The way I look at it is that the 35mm slide itself may have inherently
> >higher resolution, but getting that resolution into some useful form (a
> >print or a digital file) requires additional resolution degrading steps.
A
> >camera direct digital file is already digital and is ready for whatever.
> >
> >Dave Walker
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Wally Buck" <tnrhodey at hotmail.com>
> >To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:40 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Rain Storm - slides vs digital camera
> >
> >
> > > Scan from slide still provides the best reslults doesn't it? Digital
> >cameras
> > > have come a long way but unless you have an extremely high end digital
> > > camera there is still a big difference in quality.
> > >
> > > Wally
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Michael Meltzer" <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Rain Storm
> > > >Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:26:05 -0400
> > > >
> > > >not shocked that he is cheap, got that impresstion too, he has a
> >website
> > > >that looks like limited runs of sailing/boating books,
> > > >tight margins i am sure. It is mosty to get a rhodes22 on the cover.
My
> >bet
> > > >that who ever is doing the jacket only know how to work
> > > >with slides and has been doing slides for the last 50 years, seim
> >retired
> > > >and do not  know digital.
> > > >
> > > >MJM
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "David Walker" <david.walker5 at comcast.net>
> > > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:13 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Rain Storm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Jim Connolly and I are trying to get together on the water this
> >weekend
> > > >for
> > > > > some pictures, but the weather forecasts don't look promising.
Had
> >a
> > > >call
> > > > > with Stan Grayson about it.  He is publishing a book, but trying
to
> >get
> > > > > everything in it donated (ie no $ for licensing the photo).  His
> > > >business is
> > > > > not listed in the Marblehead local directory but his home number
is.
> > > >Also
> > > > > his requirement of a slide (vs direct digital) goes against all I
> >know
> > > >in
> > > > > the publishing industry.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Michael Meltzer" <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:35 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Rain Storm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > BTW were you able to do anything with the picture?, saw stan
take
> >a
> > > >pass.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > MJM
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "David Walker" <david.walker5 at comcast.net>
> > > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 12:30 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Rain Storm
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Careful where you drill the hole, too far forward and it will
> >drain
> > > >into
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > cabin.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dave
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Rob Lowe" <rlowe at vt.edu>
> > > > > > > To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:58 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Rain Storm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've thought of the same thing, so I'm curious to hear some
> > > >responses.
> > > > > > > Mark
> > > > > > > > tells me the water is supposed to drain down the centerboard
> >line
> > > > > hole,
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > mine has a thicker line than his and tends to get clogged
with
> > > >junk
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > drain well.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Rob Lowe
> > > > > > > > S/V Getaway
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Robert Dilk" <Robert.Dilk at TRW.COM>
> > > > > > > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 9:44 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First Rain Storm
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Had the Rhodes 22 out in a real down pour Sunday.
> > > > > > > > With the girls in the cabin and close hauled the rain water
> >built
> > > >up
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > forward area of the seat drain track and seat. The forward
> >Corners
> > > > > have no
> > > > > > > > drains. The result was wet bottoms.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My thought was to drill some drain holes in the forward
> >Corners
> >of
> > > >the
> > > > > > > seat
> > > > > > > > drain tracks and let the water drain to the cockpit floor.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Any comments, suggestions?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bob
> > > > > > > > S/V knot Necessary
> > > > > > > >
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