[ham] [Rhodes22-list] RE: Two cycle motors

[Michael Meltzer]

IIRC, most if not all 4 strokes meet the fed 2006 standards(they were after 2 stokes), in the mean time CA came out with some 2006
standards of thier own that caused the 4 stokes some trouble but most of it is "labeling", is you real want to do the 2 stoke thing
use a mercury, the work nice on the boat, nice kill switch, nice hand grip throttle/shifter and any type of prop you need.

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kroposki" <kroposki@innova.net>
To: <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>; <rhodes-list@sailnet.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 7:31 AM
Subject: [ham] [Rhodes22-list] RE: Two cycle motors


> Jim:
> As of this moment, I can't see where any two strokes meet the
> 2006 standards.  But then most four strokes don't meet the standard
> today.  However, new two strokes are much better than the old.
> But the wording of all that I find says that you will be able to
> use two strokes everywhere but California, even after 2006.
> About the environmental damage issue, I think last year or the
> year before, 'Rummy' put the issue eloquently and correctly.  In essence
> he said how much do sailboats really use their motors?  In 2002 I put in
> two gallons of gas into my 3 gal tank.  I put in two ounces of two cycle
> oil.  I still have a quarter of my tank.  I'll fill it one of these
> days.  And I have intentionally used my motor because I am still
> breaking it in.
> The point of the issue is not how much two cycle engines
> pollute, but how much do sailboat two cycle engines pollute.  The truth
> is not much.
>       For the last fifty years I have been an outdoors oriented person.
> I go hiking on the average twice a month.  I have walked all over the
> southern mountains.  The environmental pigs abound.
> Even four stoke engines that are inherently more environmentally
> friendly, are abused.  The abusers, the human piggies are the problem, a
> few sail boaters who use their two cycle engines occasionally are not.
> The small two cycle engines on sailboats are really insignificant.
> My decision was made on motor weight.  I can move my motor by
> myself, without a struggle.  Less than 60 lbs verses around 100 lbs.  If
> you are always going to have the marina or other help available, then
> weight is not the issue.  I like to be able to do things myself, even
> though I can always ask Rummy, Raze, and others.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Connolly [mailto:jbconnolly@speakeasy.net]
> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 11:20 PM
> To: kroposki@innova.net
> Subject: RE: Two cycle motors
>
> Great job on the research.
>
> I didn't know the specifics of these plans.
>
> It isn't clear to me which (if any) 2-strokes currently meet the 2006
> standards.  For example, Nissan trumpets that their 4-strokes meet the
> standards on the web page and in the brochure, but is silent on the
> topic
> and 2-strokes.
>
> A quick Google search hinted that most manufacturers seem to plan on
> meeting
> the standards with direct injection and other high-tech tweaks for 100HP
> and
> up 2-strokes, but with 4-strokes for low HP engines.
>
> Any info on that?
> Know any 2-strokes in the 8HP range that meet the standards now?
>
> Thanks for all your help.  Got to hit the hay soon.  Shoveled a foot of
> snow
> today.
>
> Jim
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kroposki [mailto:kroposki@innova.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 7:47 PM
> > To: jbconnolly@speakeasy.net; rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
> > Cc: rhodes-list@sailnet.net
> > Subject: RE: Two cycle motors
> >
> >
> > Jim:
> >      Now you have me looking some more.
> >                                          Ed K
> > See Following for starters:
> >
> > http://www.epa.gov/region01/pr/2002/jul/020716.html
> >
> > Your answer must be here:
> >
> >
> http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-AIR/1996/September/Day-19/pr-23668DIR/Ot
> > her/maine.txt.html
> >
> >
> > And:
> >
> > EPA Standards Usher in Cleaner Engines
> > Who: Working cooperatively with the marine industry, the Environmental
> > Protection Agency (EPA) is requiring a new generation of marine
> engines
> > featuring cleaner technology and better engine performance.
> >
> > What: The new standard requires a 75 percent reduction in outboard and
> > personal watercraft engine hydrocarbon emissions from 1996 levels by
> the
> > year 2006.
> >
> > When: The rule was finalized in October 1996 and will be phased in
> over
> > a nine-year period. The first year of phase-in occurred in 1998.
> >
> > Why: Many boats and nearly all personal watercraft are equipped with
> > conventional, carbureted 2-stroke engines. These engines are light
> > weight and have a high power-to-weight ratio. They are easy to
> maintain
> > and less expensive than other types of engines. However, these engines
> > also expel relatively large amounts of hydrocarbons into the air and
> > water. Conventional 2-stroke engines produce roughly 14 times as much
> > ozone-forming pollution as 4-stroke engines. Because the inlet and
> > exhaust ports open at the same time during the combustion cycle,
> 25-30%
> > of a 2-stroke's fuel and oil is discharged unburned. About half of
> this
> > evaporates immediately while the other half lingers in the water
> column
> > for a period of time. Direct effects are site specific and vary with
> > weather and water conditions, but overall may have a negative impact
> on
> > fish and plant life. Of non-road sources, the EPA has determined that
> > marine engines are the second largest average contributor of
> hydrocarbon
> > emissions. Small-spark ignition engines such as lawn mowers and garden
> > tractors are the largest.
> >
> > The new regulations will significantly reduce marine engine emissions
> > and manufacturers aren't waiting to comply. All marine engine
> > manufacturers currently meet EPA standards. Companies such as OMC,
> > Mercury, Honda and Yamaha have developed or adopted new engine
> > technology that meets or beats EPA standards. Direct fuel injection
> > engines, for example, emit 75% to 95% less ozone-forming exhaust than
> > conventional marine engines do for the same horsepower. Four-stroke
> > outboards are widely available for 70 hp down and new models are
> > available up to 130 hp.
> >
> > In addition to being more environmentally friendly, the new OB/PWC
> > engine technology will provide boaters with many performance
> advantages.
> > The engines generally provide easier starting, faster acceleration,
> > quicker throttle response, and a reduction in fumes and noise.
> > Significant improvements in fuel economy could provide hundreds of
> > dollars in fuel savings. Furthermore, the new fuel systems and engine
> > designs will relieve boaters from the hassle of mixing fuel and oil.
> As
> > an added benefit to the boat owner, the emissions performance of these
> > new OB/PWC marine engines will be covered by a federally mandated
> > three-year or 200 hour warranty, more than double the warranty
> currently
> > provided by most engine manufacturers.
> >
> > Even though boat engines currently in use are not affected by this
> > regulation, the Marine Board encourages retiring conventional 2-stroke
> > outboards and gearing up with quieter, cleaner, more efficient
> engines.
> > If you have a large outboard, you might consider purchasing a small
> > four-stroke kicker to use when trolling or moving short distances.
> > You'll save money on fuel, save wear-and-tear on your larger motor and
> > enjoy a cleaner environment, too.
> >
> > Frequently Asked Questions:
> > Does this mean I have to buy a new engine by 2006?
> >
> > No, the rules apply only to engine manufacturers. Boat owners and
> > dealers are not required to modify their current engines to meet the
> new
> > standards.
> >
> > Do the new laws affect all watercraft?
> >
> > No, only new outboard and personal watercraft engines are affected.
> > Emission standards are not set for stern drives and inboard engines
> due
> > to the inherently clean technology these engines provide. However,
> > poorly tuned or maintained inboard motors can contribute pollutants to
> > the environment, too. Make sure all your boating equipment is clean
> and
> > well maintained.
> >
> > Can I upgrade my engine to be EPA 2006 compliant?
> >
> > No, the new, cleaner technology developed by the marine industry
> cannot
> > be retrofitted. However, you can make sure your engine is well tuned,
> > use a low-smoke oil and keep your engine's exterior free of gas,
> grease
> > or oil. Also, if replacing your large 2-stroke isn't an option,
> consider
> > a 4-stroke "kicker" motor for trolling or other slow-speed activities.
> > You'll save fuel, pollute less, and save wear and tear on your big
> > motor.
> >
> > Are new engines going to wind up costing more?
> >
> > Manufacturer competition and market demand for the quieter, more
> > efficient engines will likely reduce costs over the coming years.
> > Consider long-term fuel and oil savings when weighing the cost
> > difference between a four-stroke or new EFI two-stroke marine engine -
> > it will likely save you money in the long run.
> >
> >
> http://www.boatwashington.org/boatwashington_news_archives.htm#EPA%20Sta
> ndar
> ds%20Usher%20in%20Cleaner%20Engines
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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