[ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] bow spit

[Kroposki]

Mary Lou,
         You asked the question I wanted to but didn't have time.  Tom
went thru this when I asked about forward mounting.  Maybe we should
mount the Genoa on the bow spit?  But then we probably would need a
forestay for support.  
            Ed K

-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:17 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] bow spit

Michael,
I'm still trying to picture how it's easier to "jib it outside". Not
sure 
if the problem is the batteries on my decoder or my limited knowledge of

headsails beyond jibs and genoas - probably both ;-).  As promoted the
UPS 
sail has the rope luff tack fastened to a padeye behind the forestay.
The 
sail is easy to tack because it is behind the forestay. I believe that
Tom 
has the halyard run to the cabin top so that it is easier for a 
singlehander to raise and lower the sail.

If you put the UPS type sail in front of the forestay, I still can't see

how you tack with the forestay in the way. You could jibe but in light
air 
you can use the UPS sail as a drifter and go upwind - that's really what
we 
are looking for. We are planning to just lower the UPS out of the way
when 
we want to switch sails. You can't just get the forestay out of the way
to 
tack.

In our discussions with Doyle we came up with a sail that is essentially

the equivalent of a 180 genoa in sail area. That's big enough for us. I 
like our 175 in 5-8 knots but it collapses on itself at about 4. I'm 
thinking that the UPS will do the trick on a reach in 2-4 knots. As far
as 
sheeting locations - I think there will be a couple of options. I'm
waiting 
to hear from Doyle until I've got all my details straight.

Mary Lou




At 11:13 PM 1/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>well first off, I do want an anchor roller :-)
>Second off I do have a cruising spinnaker :-)
>
>Third off, doly is limiting the sail to a 13.5 lp, I think that a 
>propriety of the harken 3029, most likly I would want a 3049.
>Fourth off I want to set my cleats back, like right next to the chain 
>plates, I know how a 175% feed into the winches and think it
>is limiting sail area.
>fifth off, by mounting the UPS inside the forstay means that I now have
to 
>tack that sail inside, that is alot of canvas thought
>that area. rather jib it outside
>Sixth off, with the USP mounted inside the jib is unsuable, PITA
factor, 
>only way around  is to goto the mast to lossen the halard,
>not single handing friendly.
>
>MJM
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mary Lou Troy" <mltroy@netreach.net>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 10:10 PM
>Subject: [ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] bow spit
>
>
> > Michael (or anyone) I can understand the desire for an anchor roller
but I
> > don't get the rest.
> >
> > Why would you want to put a UPS type sail out in front of the
current
> > forestay? At that point wouldn't it make more sense to just go with
a
> > cruising spinnaker? Or are you thinking of something more like sprit
> > mounted spinnaker (?) on boats like some of the Js or the Melges
24s. My
> > understanding of the benefits of the UPS is that it is simpler to
use and
> > can be used over a wider range wind directions than a spinnaker and
as such
> > it is designed to be behind the forestay.
> >
> > Mary Lou
> >
> > At 10:22 PM 1/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >I have a idea that I also know I do not have the skills to evaluate
or 
> design.
> > >
> > >I saw the UPS sail at the AC boat show, it nice but I would like to
mount
> > >it infrount of the current forestay, I have an idea for a short
anchor
> > >roller/bow spit that would solve this problem. Any option and
knowing most
> > >of the cost with the fabrication is design(cutting files, bending
lay-up
> > >etc..) any volunteers (Rodger warren, david etc), my hope is to get
it to
> > >the point that dwyer(or like) can knock them out for a resonable
price.
> > >
> > >MJM
> > >
> > >PS. my bad artwork is attached.
> > >Name: bowusp.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 137069 bytes Desc: not
available
> > >Url:
> >
>http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200301/12/bowusp.
jpe
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