[Rhodes22-list] Aw, C' mon Pamela

Rik Sandberg sanderico@earthlink.net
Thu, 23 Jan 2003 08:22:09 -0600 

Pamela, and all

Hate to see folks leave the list over this. Personally, I haven't seen any 
"tirades", just open discussion on a subject that is, and should be, 
important to all of us. Yes, there is some disagreement, but there wouldn't 
be much to debate if there was no difference of opinion and therefore, no 
good reason for discussion on the subject.. Heck, this has all been pretty 
calm and civilized so far. And, there is the possibility that it will get 
out of hand, but is it gets too stupid, that's what I've got a delete 
button for. I can remember some times when we've all gotten pretty bent out 
of shape over some sailing topics. Standard Mains'l vs R/F mains'l for 
instance, or how about sailing to the Bahamas, that was a good one.

Now, if I was going to start a diatribe or a tirade, I might start out with 
"That's about the dumbest thing I ever heard" or possibly some similar 
idea, but with stronger language. People just having a difference of 
opinion does not make a diatribe, unless one chooses to read that into it. 
If we're all just going to automatically agree with everything that's said, 
that won't make for very lively or challenging discussions. I, for one, 
wouldn't care to see us go in that direction. When we started this list a 
while back, it was because we wanted the freedom to have any discussion we 
wanted. On the old list, we always had to be careful about what we said so 
we wouldn't be driving potential customers away (in his opinion) from the 
list owners business. Personally, I was not that thrilled about having him 
looking over our shoulders all the time and monitoring our conversations to 
be sure they suited his purposes.

Sometimes, especially in the winter, I have to agree with Slim, Anne and 
Wally. This list represents most of my "social" life and losing it would 
not be a good thing.  :-) And Rummy, I know you would say I should get a 
life too, but if I went out and blew what little money I have left after 
paying my taxes, carousing around town, I couldn't afford to go out and buy 
these boats, eh.

Rik



At 08:09 AM 1/23/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>I hope I did not upset anyone. If things are kept respectful and calm I 
>enjoy the different viewpoints. We had three more inches of snow last 
>night and I haven't done much more than work the last couple of weeks. I 
>am working on a nice case of cabin fever. It would be a shame if anyone 
>quit this list over non sailing topics. I have these type of discussions 
>with friends and some times it can get heated, but I think it is good to 
>hear other view points.
>
>I can handle the list either way; sailing only or open discussion. If it 
>is sailing only there sure will not be much going on with this list.
>
>Wally
>
>>From: General Boats <wwrhodes@rhodes22.com>
>>Reply-To: wwrhodes@rhodes22.com,The Rhodes 22 mail list 
>><rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Aw,  C' mon Pamela
>>Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 06:37:25 -0500
>>
>>My five votes (I have 5 Rhodes) are with Steve.  Michael, clarify the 
>>rules.  I
>>was just doing what my shrink told me to do.  I thought no one was 
>>supposed to
>>read it since the subject was titled.
>>
>>I also empathize with Pamela (who I love dearly) if she could use her 
>>influence
>>on the right to to point out to the right that if they want the right to 
>>throw
>>down a gauntlet whenever the spirit moves them, they should agree that 
>>the left
>>has the right to respond without tilting the scales so someone must fall 
>>off the
>>list.
>>
>>If I am wrong correct me, but my recollection is that each of these 
>>interesting
>>give and takes have started with posts from the right.  I do not recall 
>>one ever
>>starting with anything coming out of left field first. That being the 
>>case, if
>>anyone on the right does not enjoy this kind of banter they could either not
>>start such threads or use "delete" - it is not necessary to deprive the 
>>list of
>>the pleasure of your company.
>>
>>Gotta get back to work so I can try and get into the positive tax bracket and
>>understand what you rich Rhodies are talking about.
>>
>>stan/gbi
>>
>>Steve Alm wrote:
>>
>> > > Too many tirades for me.  I'm unsubscribing and going back to
>> > > participation in only the Rhodes Sailnet list.  Best wishes to all
>> > > friendly Rhodies.
>> > >
>> > > Regards, Pamela
>> >
>> > I really hate to see this happen.  I'm the one who thought this would not
>> > blow up this time because everyone was using the "disclaimer" method.
>> >
>> > This reminds me of a recent argument I had with my wife:  She hates "call
>> > waiting" and I like it.  She says whenever someone beeps in, she has to
>> > interrupt her call and flip over and hates that.  I tell her, just ignore
>> > the beep and talk away--they'll call back--don't worry about it.  But I've
>> > had my way for ten years and now I've agreed to give in and cancel the CW.
>> > Maybe that's how Pamela feels.  Yes, she can hit delete but it bothers her
>> > that it's there and she has to deal with it.
>> >
>> > The charter says that the list is maybe like a discussion in a bar.
>>Well, I
>> > work in a bar and these discussions come up all the time.  Just tonight I
>> > heard someone say, "Why can't I have lower taxes AND clean air?"
>> >
>> > One thing that's different this time around is that people seem to be
>> > writing about their own personal situations, rather than simply waxing on
>> > and on about their views.  This is a good thing because (a) we get to know
>> > each other better, (b) we get to see first-hand how people in various
>> > situations cope with today's problems, and (c) realize that one size 
>> DOESN'T
>> > fit all.
>> >
>> > I like to read this stuff because "Da List" really IS my social life.  I
>> > know, I know, I should get a life  :-)   But I'm always working at nights,
>> > esp. weekends and I can never go out and do what all the rest of you
>> > "regular" people do on weekends (whatever that is--I wouldn't know) and I
>> > rely on you all to provide me with a little diversion.  Sure, we all 
>> like to
>> > sail our R22's but there's more to life than sailing...esp. If you live in
>> > MN  :-)
>> >
>> > Michael,  Is there any way we can all vote on this or something?  I don't
>> > want to lose members but at the same time I don't want to feel squelched
>> > either.
>> >
>> > Remember to check your subject line.
>> >
>> > Slim
>> > S/V Fandango
>> >
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