[ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] R. M. Nixon
Michael Meltzer
mjm@michaelmeltzer.com
Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:06:37 -0500
They went to sea in a Sieve, they did,
In a Sieve they went to sea:
In spite of all their friends could say,
On a winter's morn, on a stormy day,
In a Sieve they went to sea! -- The Jumblies, Edward Lear (died 1888)
MJM
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Friedland" <a.jayf@verizon.net>
To: <alexbell@coastalnet.com>; "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 6:25 PM
Subject: [ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] R. M. Nixon
Alex-
quoted from NBTI News, fyi
"In 1986, Mohammed Atta was arrested by Israeli forces for planting a
bomb on the Number 6 bus. He was later found guilty and put into an
Israeli jail. At the beginning of peace negotiations with the
Palestinians, America urged Israel that Atta be released, and he
subsequently was. On September 11th, the same person held in Israeli
jails, was the ringleader of the 19 terrorists who flew two planes into
the Twin Towers. America’s policy regarding the Palestinians and
terrorists associated with them must change. Who knows how many more
people there are like Mohammed Atta, and today’s suicide bomber, that
are prepared to die to kill innocent civilians?"
Jay
On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 06:07 PM, Alex Bell wrote:
> Wally,
>
> Was that last "thank you" true? Not that any other one is not true, but
> it seems that this one about Mohhamad Atta having been in an Israli
> jail... That just shocks me.
>
> Alex
>
> Wally Buck wrote:
>>
>> Jay,
>>
>> Stand back, with this much fuel I think this list is getting ready to
>> explode!
>>
>> It better warm up soon so we can all go sailing.
>>
>> Wally
>>
>>> From: Jay Friedland <a.jayf@verizon.net>
>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R. M. Nixon
>>> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:37:14 -0500
>>>
>>> Not that we need any more fuel on that fire, but in case we forgot,
>>> just
>>> found this on another list-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's One Take (Via eMail)
>>> ===========================
>>> Dear Mr. Ex-President:
>>>
>>> I recently saw a bumper sticker that said, "Thank me, I voted for
>>> Clinton-Gore." So, I sat down and reflected on that, and I am sending
>>> my "Thank you" for what you have done, . .. . specifically:
>>>
>>> 1. Thank you for introducing us to Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones,
>>> Monica
>>> Lewinsky, Dolly Kyle Browning, Kathleen Willey, and Juanita
>>> Broderick.
>>> Did I leave anyone out?
>>>
>>> 2. Thank you for teaching my 8 year old about oral sex. I had really
>>> planned to wait until they were older to discuss it with them, but
>>> now
>>> they know more about it than I did as a senior in college.
>>>
>>> 3. Thank you for showing us that sexual harassment in the work place
>>> (especially the White House) and on the job is OK, and all you have
>>> to
>>> know is what the meaning of "is" is. It really is great to know that
>>> certain sexual acts are not sex.
>>>
>>> 4. Thank you for reintroducing the concept of impeachment to a new
>>> generation and demonstrating that the ridiculous plot of the movie
>>> "Wag the Dog" could be plausible after all.
>>>
>>> 5. Thanks for making Jimmy Carter look competent, Gerald Ford look
>>> graceful, Richard Nixon look honest, Lyndon Johnson look truthful,
>>> and
>>> John Kennedy look moral.
>>>
>>> 6. Thank you for the 73 House and Senate witnesses who have pled the
>>> 5th Amendment and 17 witnesses who have fled the country to avoid
>>> testifying about Democratic campaign fund raising.
>>>
>>> 7. Thank you, for the 19 charges, 8 convictions, and 4 imprisonment's
>>> from the Whitewater "mess" and the 55 criminal charges and 32
>>> criminal
>>> convictions (so far) in the other "Clinton" scandals.
>>>
>>> 8. Thanks also for reducing our military by half, "gutting" much of
>>> our foreign policy, and flying all over the world on "vacations"
>>> carefully disguised as necessary trips.
>>>
>>> 9. Thank you, also, for "finding" millions of dollars-I really didn't
>>> need it in the first place, and I can't think of a more well
>>> deserving
>>> group of recipients for my hard-earned dollars than jet fuel for all
>>> of your globe-trotting. I understand you; the family and your cronies
>>> have logged in more time aboard Air Force One than any other
>>> administration.
>>>
>>> 10. Now that you've left the White House, thanks for the 140 pardons
>>> of convicted felons and indicted felons-in-exile. We will love to
>>> have
>>> them rejoin society.
>>>
>>> 11. Thanks also for removing the White House silverware, I'm sure
>>> that
>>> Laura Bush didn't like the pattern anyway. Also, enjoy the
>>> housewarming gifts you've received from your "friends."
>>>
>>> 12. Thanks to you and your staff in the West Wing of the White House
>>> for vandalizing and destroying government property on the way out. I
>>> also appreciate removing all of that excess weight (China,
>>> silverware,linen, towels, ash trays, soap, pens, magnetic compass,
>>> flight manuals, etc.) out of Air Force 1. The weight savings means
>>> burning less fuel, thus less tax dollars spent on jet fuel, thank
>>> you!
>>>
>>> 13. And finally, please ensure that Hillary enjoys the $8 million
>>> dollar advance for her upcoming "tell-all" book and you, Bill, the $5
>>> million advance for your memoirs. Who says crime doesn't pay!
>>>
>>> 14. The last and most important point- thank you for forcing Israel
>>> to
>>> let Mohammed Atta go free. Terrorist pilot Mohammed Atta blew up a
>>> bus
>>> in Israel in 1986. The Israelis captured, tried and imprisoned him.
>>> As
>>> part of the Oslo agreement with the Palestinians in 1993, Israel had
>>> to agree to release so-called "political prisoners." However, the
>>> Israelis would not release any with blood on their
>>> hands. The American President at the time, Bill Clinton, and his
>>> Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, "insisted" that all
>>> prisoners be released. Thus Mohammed Atta was freed and eventually
>>> thanked the US by flying an airplane into Tower One of the World
>>> Trade Center. This was reported by many of the American TV networks
>>> at the time that the terrorists were first identified. It was
>>> censored in the US from all later reports.
>>> God bless America and THANK YOU (once again) for spending my taxes so
>>> wisely and frugally.
>>>
>>> SINCERELY,
>>>
>>> A US Citizen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 04:51 PM, Steve Alm wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Brad. Wouldn't you know it, it's a fat-boy-stuffing-his-face
>>>> story.
>>>>
>>>> Slim
>>>>
>>>> On 1/24/03 8:18 AM, "brad haslett" <flybrad@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Slim,
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone asks that question. If I had some solid
>>>>> "dirt" I would have been singing like a canary to the
>>>>> New York Times. I flew charter for the largest
>>>>> charter outfit in Arkansas, did pilot service for
>>>>> several corporations, and later flew two corporate
>>>>> jets that were leased back for charter. The governor
>>>>> of Arkansas doesn't have an airplane so he either
>>>>> charters or someone gives him a free ride. Some days
>>>>> a bank, some days a utility, some days a political
>>>>> action committee. If a freebe couldn't be found the
>>>>> state itself might pay. A state trooper always dropped
>>>>> him off and another picked him up. There were always
>>>>> groupies around but that wasn't unusual for
>>>>> politicians. I flew them all. Most were extremely
>>>>> friendly, especially Dale Bumbers while he was
>>>>> Senator, Wilbur Mills after he left office. I didn't
>>>>> agree with Senator Bumper's politics but he always
>>>>> invited me to hear him speak anywhere we went, and I
>>>>> appreciated the free chicken dinner from the
>>>>> Democrats. I also flew a lot of rich and powerful
>>>>> business types, i.e., Jerry Jones before the Cowboys,
>>>>> etc. They were almost all great people to work for
>>>>> and took an interest in the pilots well being (duh,
>>>>> like we didn't control theirs). Billy, on the other
>>>>> hand, was a different story. The average age of the
>>>>> "advisors" that traveled with him was about
>>>>> twenty-five (about my age at the time) and they acted
>>>>> like they ruled the world. This isn't much of a dirty
>>>>> story but its the best I can do. Boy governor is
>>>>> flying to DC to make a speech and wants to leave
>>>>> Arkansas about 11pm. I called the governor's office
>>>>> and explained that National will be close after 11pm
>>>>> so we'll fly into Dulles. "Does the Governor have
>>>>> ground transportation or would you like me to set that
>>>>> up? Standard routine stuff. We had bi-fold business
>>>>> cards with our company name on the outside. On the
>>>>> inside was our names, the N number of the Jet, the
>>>>> name of the FBO where it was parked, the phone number,
>>>>> and a copy of our proposed itenerary. If anything
>>>>> changed, a meeting ran over, etc., most customers were
>>>>> good about calling, or having a secretary call, so we
>>>>> didn't sit around at attention all day. Billy never
>>>>> did. As we're walking out to the jet that night one
>>>>> of his punks asks "what time are we getting to
>>>>> National?" I answered "were not flying to National,
>>>>> were going to Dulles". That started a whole
>>>>> conversation about what the governor wanted and didn't
>>>>> want and finally ended when I suggested he call the
>>>>> President and ask that they re-open National just for
>>>>> them. Anyway, we get to Dulles, I hand them our card
>>>>> with the proposed schedule, and explain that we're
>>>>> going to a hotel to spend the day and will be ready to
>>>>> depart at, whatever time. "NO! The governor has to be
>>>>> in Hot Springs for a speech tonight, wait here!" I
>>>>> was about to punch this kids lights out but needed to
>>>>> eat and keep a career going and all so I said we would
>>>>> wait. Twelve hours later we're still waiting and
>>>>> getting hungry. Finally I said "screw this lets get
>>>>> something to eat". My First Officer says, "what if
>>>>> Billy shows up and we're gone?". "Good point, we'll
>>>>> order catering". Boy governor shows up about fours
>>>>> hours later with no apology and as we're walking to
>>>>> the airplane he puts his arm around me and says "Brad,
>>>>> we have anything to eat?". "Yes Sir Governor, we've
>>>>> got potato chips, granola bars, crackers, and all the
>>>>> scotch and soda you want!". We get on the jet and our
>>>>> catering is spread out on the center console of the
>>>>> cockpit, its odor permeating the whole aircraft. We
>>>>> closed off the cockpit to keep their mitts off the
>>>>> food and launched. About an hour into the flight home
>>>>> my FO says, "I'm stuffed, you want this other sandwich
>>>>> and dessert?". I opened the cockpit and looked back
>>>>> at Billy eating a bag of peanuts and a Coke. "Keep
>>>>> eating, we're not leaving anything for those
>>>>> assholes". Sorry, weak story but the best I can do. I
>>>>> had some wonderful customers flying charter, Billy
>>>>> was not one of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Steve
>>>>> Alm <salm@mn.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>> C'mon Brad, let's have the dirt on Billy Boy.
>>>>>> Slim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/23/03 4:33 PM, "brad haslett"
>>>>>> <flybrad@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wally,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow, I would love to have been a part of that. My
>>>>>>> only exposure to a real President was I used to
>>>>>> fly
>>>>>>> Billy around when he was boy governer of Arkansas.
>>>>>> If
>>>>>>> only I had known. He was one of my least favorite
>>>>>>> customers, a real jerk in fact, and the "punk
>>>>>> kids" he
>>>>>>> surrounded himself with were even worse. We'll
>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> together over some beers and I'll tell you the
>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>> story. I got even with the a***, uh, governor one
>>>>>> day
>>>>>>> real good. Maybe that's why I never got invited
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the Lincoln bedroom. Excuse me, I digress. Nixon
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> the first President I ever campaigned for. I put
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> "NIXONS THE ONE" bumper sticker on every car at
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Fayette County Illinois fair in 1968 when I was,
>>>>>> uh,
>>>>>>> young. He is still a facinating man, very flawed,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> interesting. Opening China was brilliant!
>>>>>> Clinton
>>>>>>> conferred with Nixon several times after he took
>>>>>>> office. Nixon loved it. I can remember the day
>>>>>> he
>>>>>>> resigned like it was yesterday. He brought a lot
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> shame to the office that we're still recovering
>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> today. And to think, he was in office during the
>>>>>>> sexual revolution and didn't mess with the
>>>>>> interns!
>>>>>>> Pity, Pity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>> --- Wally Buck <tnrhodey@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Back in the early 70s my Dad was stationed in San
>>>>>>>> Diego. We lived on base
>>>>>>>> and the President was coming to visit. We headed
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> the Naval Air Station
>>>>>>>> and saw Air Force One come in for a landing and
>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>> taxi over to the
>>>>>>>> cheering crowd. Nixon came down from the plane
>>>>>>>> waving to the crowd and
>>>>>>>> stopped to shake hands before jumping in his
>>>>>> limo.
>>>>>>>> Well Tricky Dick shook my
>>>>>>>> hand and patted me on the back. I was only
>>>>>> thirteen
>>>>>>>> years old and didn't
>>>>>>>> know squat about politics but I really liked
>>>>>> Nixon
>>>>>>>> after that. I mean after
>>>>>>>> all he did shake my hand right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well a few years later we are living in Fairfax
>>>>>> VA
>>>>>>>> (Dads was working at
>>>>>>>> Pentagon then) and Watergate hits the scene. Talk
>>>>>>>> about bursting my bubble.
>>>>>>>> First Agnew is gone and then Nixon announces his
>>>>>>>> resignation. My Mom wanted
>>>>>>>> us to see history in the making. She loaded up
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> wagon with the family and
>>>>>>>> we went down to the White House to witness
>>>>>> Nixon's
>>>>>>>> infamous exit. We saw him
>>>>>>>> walk over to the helicopter, give his big two
>>>>>> handed
>>>>>>>> wave and fly away in
>>>>>>>> disgrace.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was kind of cool to see all of this first
>>>>>> hand.
>>>>>>>> It really opened up my
>>>>>>>> eyes though and I have not trusted politicians
>>>>>> ever
>>>>>>>> since.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wally
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: brad haslett <flybrad@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>>>>>>> <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>> To: wwrhodes@rhodes22.com,The Rhodes 22 mail
>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>> <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Social programs.
>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:05:42 -0800 (PST)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stan,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That reminds me of the campaign rhetoric from
>>>>>> 1992
>>>>>>>>> coming from the "pork belly" Senator from NY,
>>>>>>>>> remember, "the greed of the 80's". Much of the
>>>>>>>>> "paradigm shift" in the "new economy" of the
>>>>>>>> nineties
>>>>>>>>> was "smoke and mirrrors". My best friend, a
>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>> conservative stock broker, said all through the
>>>>>>>> boom
>>>>>>>>> there wasn't anything to back up the stock
>>>>>> prices
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> he was right. Some CEO's, no, make that a lot
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> CEO's turned out to be crooks. I hope they go to
>>>>>>>> jail
>>>>>>>>> but they probably won't. Now we're in the
>>>>>> middle
>>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>>>> recession, business cycle, correction, what ever
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> want to call it. It would have come no matter
>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> in office or who ran the SEC just as the Tulip
>>>>>>>> Bubble
>>>>>>>>> burst in Holland several hundred years ago.
>>>>>> We've
>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>> money about as cheap as it can get and people
>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>> spending. Now we're running up the deficit just
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> FDR did to jump start the economy. Cutting
>>>>>> taxes
>>>>>>>>> worked for Reagan, maybe it will work for 43.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>> truth is, as Richard Nixon lamented, the
>>>>>> President
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> either hero or goat as a result of the economy
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> limited means to change it in the short run...
>>>>>> Ah,
>>>>>>>>> Richard Milhous Nixon! Oh well, save that
>>>>>> praise
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> another day Bradley.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brad Haslett
>>>>>>>>> --- General Boats <wwrhodes@rhodes22.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You are talking about the C.E.O. generation the
>>>>>>>>>> government coddled after Levitt
>>>>>>>>>> left the helm of the SEC, right?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> stan/gbi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rik Sandberg wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rummy,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Absolutely agree that a "helping hand"
>>>>>>>> sometimes
>>>>>>>>>> is necessary and good. What
>>>>>>>>>>> we have now is not a helping hand. The better
>>>>>>>>>> share of these people are
>>>>>>>>>>> doing nothing more than mooching their entire
>>>>>>>>>> existence off of the rest of
>>>>>>>>>>> us. Probably can't only blame either them or
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> government for that though,
>>>>>>>>>>> as much as we'd like to, WE are letting them
>>>>>>>> do it
>>>>>>>>>> to us. I'm with Steve
>>>>>>>>>>> here. Once you let people get used to getting
>>>>>>>>>> stuff for nothing, not only do
>>>>>>>>>>> they eventually stop appreciating these
>>>>>>>> benefits,
>>>>>>>>>> they soon also expect
>>>>>>>>>>> more. Just ask them, they'll tell you they
>>>>>>>>>> *deserve* this stuff. Some folks
>>>>>>>>>>> just don't have the strength of character to
>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>> pride in making their own
>>>>>>>>>>> way through life. Free handouts uncover these
>>>>>>>>>> types very quickly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rik
>>>>>>
>>>>> === message truncated ===
>>>>>
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