[Rhodes22-list] Free Education

[Wally Buck]

Bill,

I agree with you on the importance of education, I'm just not sure the 
federal government should pay for everyones college. I think Slim has a good 
idea about bringing back the GI Bill.

As to the NCAA, you could drop it tomorrow, I have no problem with that.

Wally

>From: Bill Berner <bberner@optonline.net>
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>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Free Education
>Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:19:05 -0500
>
>I am getting tired of being one of the few "liberal" voices around here,
>but has everyone forgotten the education has other functions besides
>preparing people to make a living.
>
>As I understandstand it, gaining  an appreciation for and understanding
>of literature, painting, music, theater, and (gasp) philosophy, is
>supposed to be an important part of higher education.
>
>Much better to spend the time and money on the NCAA.
>
>Bill Berner
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Steve Alm
>Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 4:56 PM
>To: Rhodes
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Free Education
>
>Good point, Paul.  However, I doubt that anyone's getting smarter
>listening
>to me.  (sigh)
>Slim
>
>On 1/24/03 10:48 AM, "Paul Grandholm" <paul@mi.chtechnology.com> wrote:
>
> > Slim,
> >
> >    I think what you are referring to here is free FORMAL education.
>In
> > my opinion, education is everywhere if you look for it.  That's why I
> > like what we've got going here.  I may not agree with everything
>everyone
> > says, but if I respect their opinion and listen to what they're
>saying, I
> > can learn a little from each of them, and it's all FREE!  The other
> > component that sets us apart from Cuba is our freedom.  We can say all
> > these things without fear of government intervention.  If you're in
> > conversation, an are willing to listen as well as speak, everyone
>comes
> > away from the conversation a little richer and probably smarter.
> >
> > Paul
> >>
> >> As our illustrious former Gov. Jesse Ventura said after cutting
>millions
> >> from the Univ. of MN spurring an immediate tuition hike, "If you're
>smart
> >> enough to get into college, you should be able to figure out how to
>pay for
> >> it."
> >>
> >> Although it was yet another example of his shoot-from-the-hip
>comments, I
> >> think there's a little wisdom there.  Maybe just a little.  But if a
>college
> >> education was a free and easy thing, wouldn't that make any advanced
>degree
> >> more common and less distinguishing?  Further, in order to make their
> >> programs look like they're working, there would be a big push to get
> >> everybody graduated--so they'd have to dumb down the programs to
>achieve
> >> this.  Instead of "No child left behind" it would be "No
>dorm-squatting,
> >> reefer-blowing coed left behind."  [grin]
> >>
> >> Show me the money!  We have enough trouble funding K-12.  But I'm in
>favor
> >> of finding ways to make college more available to more people.  Bush
>is now
> >> at loggerheads within his own cabinet on Affirmative Action.
> >> Quotas...whatever!  Let them in.  Let everybody in.  Even ere on the
>side of
> >> letting anybody in.  But Don't lower the bar to get out!!!!  Not even
>the
> >> first class.  Calculus 101 isn't supposed to be easy.
> >>
> >> But for the good students, we need to find more creative ways of
>helping
> >> them get through.  For you parents out there who are putting your
>kids
> >> through college, OWCH!  I feel your pain.  Tuition is outrageous.
>Bring
> >> back the GI Bill.  What do you say we make a new tax (gasp!) on
>companies
> >> that require a college degree for employment?  That money goes to the
> >> colleges and universities (but not Bob Jones University) and offsets
>the
> >> tuition. We could call it the dorm-squatting, reefer-blowing tax.
> >>
> >> Last thought: Cuba has one of, if not the highest literacy rate in
>the
> >> world.  And almost everybody goes to college.  Has that helped Cubans
>or
> >> Cuba herself?  I'd like hearing from any of you who know more about
>higher
> >> ed in Cuba.
> >>
> >> Slim
> >>
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> >
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