[Rhodes22-list] The cost of freedom.

[John Tonjes]

Bill,
Actually, I did check with the urban legends site and there was nothing
about it in there. I have never heard of nor used snopes before. I will add
it to my credentials site.

Rummy


> [Original Message]
> From: Bill Effros <bill at effros.com>
> To: <kroposki at innova.net>; The Rhodes 22 mail list
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: 7/5/2003 1:19:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The cost of freedom.
>
> Ed,
>
> Yes, Rummy's email is glurge.  Go to snopes.com.  Type in "Declaration =
> of Independence signers" and Rummy's email will pop up.  They explain =
> how the history has been fudged, and how the central point has been =
> fabricated.
>
> In a nutshell, the fate that befell most of the signers did not happen =
> because they signed the piece of paper.  The declaration was a =
> declaration of treason from the British standpoint.  The signers became =
> "terrorists" from the British standpoint using popular 21st century =
> rhetoric.  From our current standpoint, Saddam Hussein's taped =
> declaration aired yesterday on Al Jazeera was an act of treason, people =
> attacking our troops are terrorists, and we say we are justified in =
> torturing enemy prisoners if we feel it will hasten the end of their =
> rebellion.=20
>
> We do not consider declarations of independence from us to be noble =
> statements of principle, nor do we admire the people responsible as =
> heroes. =20
>
> Glurge fudges the nuances, and alters history to fit--all with a patina =
> of happy face patriotism.  Thinking in this way can and has had bad =
> consequences for all of us. =20
>
> There are valid fundamentally different ways of looking at history and =
> resolving not to repeat mistakes.  We can learn from each other only if =
> we keep the discussion intellectually honest.  Glurge is, by definition, =
> dishonest.  That doesn't make the sender dishonest, as most senders are =
> unaware that what they are sending is not true.  But we all know how to =
> use this tool, and we all have an obligation to check things out before =
> sending them along.
>
> Bill Effros
>
>   =20
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Kroposki=20
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list'=20
> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 12:47 PM
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The cost of freedom.
>
>
> Bill,
> Are you saying that Rummy's email is Glurge?  What is the
> citation that shows it is untrue?
>                       Ed K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 10:17 AM
> To: johntonjes at earthlink.net; The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The cost of freedom.
>
> Glurge
>
> (Glurge is the sending of inspirational (often supposedly "true") tales
> that conceal much darker meanings than the uplifting moral lessons they
> purport to offer, and that undermine their messages by fabricating and
> distorting historical fact in the guise of offering a "true story."")
> --see snopes.com or glurge.com.
>
> Bill Effros
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: John Tonjes=20
> To: Rhodes org. owners list=20
> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 8:35 PM
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The cost of freedom.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>    John Tonjes
>    [1]johntonjes at earthlink.net
>    Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
>
>
>
>      4TH OF JULY
>      Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the
>      Declaration of Independence?  Five signers were captured by the
>      British
>      as
>      traitors, and tortured before they died.  Twelve had their homes
>      ransacked
>      and burned.  Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army;
>      another
>      had two sons captured.
>      Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the
>      Revolutionary
>      War.
>      They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their
>      sacred
>      honor.
>      What kind of men were they?  Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists.
>      Eleven
>      were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men
>      of
>      means,
>      well educated, but they signed the Declaration of Independence
>      knowing
>      full
>      well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.  Carter
>      Braxton
>      of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his Ships swept from
>      the
>      seas by the British Navy.  He sold his home and properties to pay
>      his
>      debts,
>      and died in rags.  Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that
>      he
>      was
>      forced to move his family almost constantly.  He served in the
>      Congress
>      without pay, and his family was kept in hiding.  His possessions
>      were
>      taken
>      from him, and poverty was his reward.  Vandals or soldiers looted
>      the
>      properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward,
>      Ruttledge,
>      and Middleton.
>      At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the
>      British
>      General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his
>      headquarters.
>      He
>      quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was
>      destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.  Francis Lewis had his home
>      and
>      properties destroyed.  The enemy jailed
>      his wife, and she died within a few months.  John Hart was driven
>      from
>      his
>      wife's bedside as she was dying.  Their 13 children fled for theirl
>      lives.
>      His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste.  For more than a
>      year
>      he
>      lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead
>      and his
>      children vanished.  Some of us take these liberties so much for
>      granted,
>      but
>      we shouldn't.
>      So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and
>      silently
>      thank these patriots.  It's not much to ask for the price they
>      paid.
>      Remember: freedom is never free!  I hope you will show your support
>      by
>      sending this to as many people as you can, please.  It's time we
>      get the
>      word out that patriotism is NOT a sin, and the Fourth of July has
>      more
>      to it
>      than beer, picnics, and baseball.
>
> References
>
>    1. mailto:johntonjes at earthlink.net
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