[Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Under Water

[Robert Quinn]

Michael:  I was getting ready to respond in a similar fashion to yourself.
Like let's make this educational.  What is the proper weight loading for an
R22?  What other steps were taken for safety of crew... life vests on, etc.
Instead fnutters went nuts.  Too bad too sad that a lesson for all
deteriorated into name calling.

Bob on the "NoKaOi"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Meltzer" <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Under Water


> Your NY'er is showing. You would have made a Cab Drive proud :-)
>
> Here the problem, you might be right about the boat being over weight,
when I saw the post I was also wondering about the issue,
> figured 4 adults at 150 each = 600 pounds and 3 kids 80 pounds each = 240
pounds. so 840 pounds live weight or about 1/3 of the boat
> weight seems allot. So you might be right. thought in it was a higher wind
day with the accompany waves......
>
>
> Now the problem, the information is now worthless. why, because he is only
going to see you as an ass. Most times both will get into
> a pissing contest. Others will join for the fun of it, you will both go at
it for about a week then leave the list pissed off. Seen
> it happen many times. Even me saying anything can be a problem, you will
get pissed off at this smuck saying something and leave. It
> is a no win situation.
>
> I know you posted to be helpful and to help others. Very noble reasons.
Please do not let the style get in the way. I know this is
> a little forward but could you please apologize for the "harshtone" and
let a fair debate about the subject continue. It will save
> me allot of grief over the week and be helpful to you both.
>
>
> He some  Dale Carnegie (A great Ny'er I might add) that is handy for good
debates:
>
> Six Ways to Make People Like You
>  Become genuinely interested in other people.
>  Smile.
>  Remember that a man's name is to him the sweetest and most important
sound in any language.
>  Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about them.
>  Talk in terms of the other man's interest.
>  Make the other person feel important-and do it sincerely.
>
> Twelve Ways Of Winning People To Your Way of Thinking.
>  The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it.
>  Show respect for the other man's opinions. Never tell a man that he is
wrong.
>  If you are wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically.
>  Begin in a friendly way.
>  Get the other person saying, "Yes, yes" immediately.
>  Let the other man do a great deal of the talking.
>  Let the other man feel that the idea is his.
>  Try honestly to see things from the other person's point of view.
>  Be sympathetic with the other person's ideas and desires.
>  Appeal to the nobler motives.
>  Dramatize your ideas.
>  Throw down a challenge.
>
> Nine Ways To Change People without giving Offense Or Arousing Resentment
>  Begin with praise and honest appreciation.
>  Call attention to people's mistakes indirectly.
>  Talk about your own mistakes before criticizing the other person.
>  Ask questions instead of giving direct orders.
>  Let the other man save his face.
>  Praise the slightest improvement and praise every improvement.
>  Be "heart in your approbation and lavish in your praise".
>  Use encouragement. Make the fault seem easy to correct.
>  Make the other person happy about doing the thing you suggest.
>
> Seven Rules for making Your Home Life Happier
>  Don't nag.
>  Don't try to make your partner over.
>  Don't criticize.
>  Give honest appreciation.
>  Pay little attentions.
>  Be Courteous.
>  Read a good book on the sexual side of marriage.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <FNuttersNY at aol.com>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Under Water
>
>
> > You're out of your mind with seven people on a light weight 22 footer
with
> > nothing in the water but a little centerboard and some ballast.  What is
normal
> > is everyone swimming for their lives when she goes over and a lot of
well
> > placed finger pointing at you!!!!!!!!!!!DUMB
> >
ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > !!!!!!!!
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