[Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Under Water

[Michael Meltzer]

I am not sure of the answer myself.

Goast Guard numbers.
(length*width)/15 is the coast guard rule of thumb or (21.5*8.5)/15=12.18 people, it using avarge of 150 pounds per person or
12.18*150 = 1827 pounds.

found this pdf
 http://www.uscg.mil/d8/mso/louisville/WebStuff/comdtpubp16761_3b.pdf
The stability is interesting

IIRC the cosatguard rate the boat for 3 tons of wine when I was checking doucumantion.

My problem is most of these number are for power boat and does not take into accountn the needs of sailboats.


All that said, 1000# on a gunnel and no wind will have the rail under(i think), trying to get a grip here

MJM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Quinn" <rjquinn at bellsouth.net>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Under Water


> Michael:  I was getting ready to respond in a similar fashion to yourself.
> Like let's make this educational.  What is the proper weight loading for an
> R22?  What other steps were taken for safety of crew... life vests on, etc.
> Instead fnutters went nuts.  Too bad too sad that a lesson for all
> deteriorated into name calling.
>
> Bob on the "NoKaOi"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Meltzer" <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 1:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Under Water
>
>
> > Your NY'er is showing. You would have made a Cab Drive proud :-)
> >
> > Here the problem, you might be right about the boat being over weight,
> when I saw the post I was also wondering about the issue,
> > figured 4 adults at 150 each = 600 pounds and 3 kids 80 pounds each = 240
> pounds. so 840 pounds live weight or about 1/3 of the boat
> > weight seems allot. So you might be right. thought in it was a higher wind
> day with the accompany waves......
> >
> >
> > Now the problem, the information is now worthless. why, because he is only
> going to see you as an ass. Most times both will get into
> > a pissing contest. Others will join for the fun of it, you will both go at
> it for about a week then leave the list pissed off. Seen
> > it happen many times. Even me saying anything can be a problem, you will
> get pissed off at this smuck saying something and leave. It
> > is a no win situation.
> >
> > I know you posted to be helpful and to help others. Very noble reasons.
> Please do not let the style get in the way. I know this is
> > a little forward but could you please apologize for the "harshtone" and
> let a fair debate about the subject continue. It will save
> > me allot of grief over the week and be helpful to you both.
> >
> >
> > He some  Dale Carnegie (A great Ny'er I might add) that is handy for good
> debates:
> >
> > Six Ways to Make People Like You
> >  Become genuinely interested in other people.
> >  Smile.
> >  Remember that a man's name is to him the sweetest and most important
> sound in any language.
> >  Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about them.
> >  Talk in terms of the other man's interest.
> >  Make the other person feel important-and do it sincerely.
> >
> > Twelve Ways Of Winning People To Your Way of Thinking.
> >  The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it.
> >  Show respect for the other man's opinions. Never tell a man that he is
> wrong.
> >  If you are wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically.
> >  Begin in a friendly way.
> >  Get the other person saying, "Yes, yes" immediately.
> >  Let the other man do a great deal of the talking.
> >  Let the other man feel that the idea is his.
> >  Try honestly to see things from the other person's point of view.
> >  Be sympathetic with the other person's ideas and desires.
> >  Appeal to the nobler motives.
> >  Dramatize your ideas.
> >  Throw down a challenge.
> >
> > Nine Ways To Change People without giving Offense Or Arousing Resentment
> >  Begin with praise and honest appreciation.
> >  Call attention to people's mistakes indirectly.
> >  Talk about your own mistakes before criticizing the other person.
> >  Ask questions instead of giving direct orders.
> >  Let the other man save his face.
> >  Praise the slightest improvement and praise every improvement.
> >  Be "heart in your approbation and lavish in your praise".
> >  Use encouragement. Make the fault seem easy to correct.
> >  Make the other person happy about doing the thing you suggest.
> >
> > Seven Rules for making Your Home Life Happier
> >  Don't nag.
> >  Don't try to make your partner over.
> >  Don't criticize.
> >  Give honest appreciation.
> >  Pay little attentions.
> >  Be Courteous.
> >  Read a good book on the sexual side of marriage.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <FNuttersNY at aol.com>
> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 11:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Under Water
> >
> >
> > > You're out of your mind with seven people on a light weight 22 footer
> with
> > > nothing in the water but a little centerboard and some ballast.  What is
> normal
> > > is everyone swimming for their lives when she goes over and a lot of
> well
> > > placed finger pointing at you!!!!!!!!!!!DUMB
> > >
> ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > !!!!!!!!
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