[Rhodes22-list] Catalina 22 vs. R22

Wally Buck tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Fri Jul 25 10:26:42 EDT 2003 

Steve,

I have IMF Main and I agree that a standard main provides more speed. I 
still pass plenty of boats in the 22 - 25 foot range. I sailed away from a 
Tanzer 28 and a Newport 28 last night.  I haven't had a chance to pace 
myself or race against C22 or C25.

I love the IMF and wouldn't trade it for a full battened main.  My boat came 
with a Harken Furler and from what I gather this a big improvement over the 
GB Furler. I realize many like the 170 and the GB Furler but I don't think 
it would work for me. Sailing on a river requires a boat that can point. I 
can bring my 125 inside the outer shroud without furling. When close hauled 
it stops just short of the spreader. My Rhodes points great. I could furl a 
bigger genny but the sail shape would suck.

A big factor in speed is condition of sails. There is nothing like new 
sails. Good sails and a clean bottom go a long way. Of course the skipper is 
the biggest factor but new sails make a big difference.

Wally


>From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: johntonjes at earthlink.net,The Rhodes 22 mail list 
><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Catalina 22 vs. R22
>Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:19:19 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Would I do that, Rummy:-)  I even put a disclaimer on
>that remark.  Didn't want to go there!!!!
>Steve
>
>
>--- John Tonjes <johntonjes at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Break out the gunpowder Sparky, that "Little" guy is
> > causing trouble again.
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > To: <mltroy at netreach.net>; The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Date: 7/24/2003 12:26:29 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Catalina 22 vs. R22
> > >
> > > Yes, Mary Lou, sail shape & adjustments makes a
> > world
> > > of different.  I even saw a great change when I
> > > upgraded my furler to the Schafer Snapfurl system.
> >
> > > Being able to loosen luff tension on a downwind
> > run &
> > > tighten on a beat makes a big diferent.
> > >
> > > I's not really wanting to start the IMF vs.
> > Standard
> > > main discussion again but you got to love those
> > > battens and the extra sail area plus adjustments
> > that
> > > you can put into the main does add speed.
> > > Steve
> > >
> > >
> > > --- mltroy <mltroy at netreach.net> wrote:
> > > > Steve, You may have hit on the difference that
> > Mark
> > > > is
> > > > seeing: the condition of the sails. If I
> > remember
> > > > correctly,
> > > > you have a standard main? That ought make a
> > > > difference too.
> > > > I don't know that we've ever paced ourselves
> > against
> > > > a C22
> > > > but I do know that our main is newer than Mark's
> > and
> > > > if he's
> > > > using that old genoa, that alone might account
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > difference in pointing ability. On the other
> > hand if
> > > > he has
> > > > the new smaller sail, c'mon Mark, you can do
> > better
> > > > than
> > > > that. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > David, where do you live? You might be able to
> > find
> > > > a Rhodes
> > > > 22 owner who would take you for a sail so you
> > could
> > > > make the
> > > > comparison yourself.
> > > >
> > > > Mary Lou
> > > > 1991 R22  Fretless
> > > > Rock Hall, MD / Ft. Washington, PA
> > > >
> > > > > David
> > > > > I have never had a Catalina 22 beat me or even
> > > > come
> > > > > close.  I can't explain Mark's comments below.
> > I
> > > > have
> > > > > never even had a Catalina 25 beat me.  I have
> > > > found
> > > > > that it usually take a boat over 26 feet to
> > beat
> > > > me
> > > > > but I only need them to make a couple mistakes
> > for
> > > > me
> > > > > to get them.
> > > > >
> > > > > The R22 has a real keel.  That make all the
> > > > different.
> > > > > I have the 175% genney with a stardard main.
> > In
> > > > wind
> > > > > over 15 knots, I just flatten that sails & the
> > R22
> > > > > point very well.  The Catalina 22 does not
> > carry
> > > > the
> > > > > sail area that the R22 does. Sail adjustment
> > is
> > > > the
> > > > > key to differnet wind conditions.
> > > > > Steve
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Mark Kaynor <mark at kaynor.org> wrote:
> > > > > > David,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One of our friends has a Catalina 22. He's
> > from
> > > > New
> > > > > > Zealand (I think those
> > > > > > guys are born knowing how to sail). It's got
> > a
> > > > swing
> > > > > > keel, the cockpit is
> > > > > > smaller, and I don't particularly like the
> > feel
> > > > of
> > > > > > his helm (too stiff).
> > > > > > That being said, he regularly beats us if
> > the
> > > > wind
> > > > > > is above 10 knots, and we
> > > > > > at least usually give him a run for his
> > money
> > > > when
> > > > > > the wind is less than 10
> > > > > > knots. Our sailing club uses the Portsmouth
> > > > > > yardstick handicap for our
> > > > > > regattas and our boats have similar
> > handicapsc -
> > > > > > ours is 98 and his is 96.4.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've never noticed him having any problem w/
> > > > side
> > > > > > slip with his boat, and he
> > > > > > is regularly able to sail closer to the wind
> > > > than
> > > > > > us. It is interesting to
> > > > > > note, however, that he has said several
> > times
> > > > that
> > > > > > in a few years he wants
> > > > > > to buy a Rhodes after sailing ours w/ us.
> > And
> > > > his
> > > > > > reasons are mostly all
> > > > > > those "quality and accessory features" that
> > in
> > > > > > themselves wouldn't induce
> > > > > > you to trade. Go figure - different
> > strokes....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mark Kaynor
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Blakey, David M.D."
> > <DBlakey at CHKD.com>
> > > > > > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 11:04 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Catalina 22 vs. R22
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Okay, guys,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I currently have a Catalina 22, but am
> > > > considering
> > > > > > a lateral move to a
> > > > > > > (hopefully!) better-performing boat.  The
> > R22
> > > > is
> > > > > > on my short list (along
> > > > > > > with the Precision 23).  My sailing
> > pattern is
> > > > > > mostly just leisurely
> > > > > > > daysailing close to home and, frankly, the
> > > > > > Catalina is fine for that.  But
> > > > > > > on the rare occasion when I have actually
> > > > tried to
> > > > > > sail somewhere, I've
> > > > > > been
> > > > > > > disappointed with my current boat's
> > overall
> > > > > > performance, particularly
> > > > > > upwind
> > > > > > > performance.  She makes lots of leeway, so
> > > > it's
> > > > > > hard to make headway
> > > > > > toward
> > > > > > > a given destination.  So I'm asking the
> > group
> > > > for
> > > > > > some perspective here,
> > > > > > > particularly those of you who are familiar
> > > > with
> > > > > > both Catalinas and Rhodes.
> > > > > > > Does the R22 sail that much better than
> > the
> > > > C22?
> > > > > > I don't question that
> > > > > > > build quality and accessory features are
> > > > superior
> > > > > > in the R22, but those
> > > > > > > things in themselves wouldn't induce me to
> > > > trade.
> > > > > > I'm trying to figure
> > > > > > out
> > > > > > > if it's worth the trouble and expense of
> > > > trading,
> > > > > > so any advice would be
> > > > > > > appreciated.  I realize this topic has
> > > > probably
> > > > > > come up on the list
> > > > > > before,
> > > > > > > but I'm new to the list, so please forgive
> > any
> > > > > > redundancy.  In the same
> > > > > > > vein, any thoughts on the P23?  Thanks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > David B.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
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