[Rhodes22-list] Mast Lowering

Wed Jul 30 14:46:48 EDT 2003

Bill,

It can be done sober?  Does this mean that you've tried it drunk?

When it comes to heavy lifting, I prefer winches to wenches (or knaves, for
that matter).  I've used the GB rig on the water many times and have never
had a mishap.  (famous last words?)  If proper procedure is followed to the
letter, it seems pretty bullet proof, but you're right, sh*t happens. But I
can stand on the bow and do the job myself, without the fear that some wench
would get hurt if the rig fails.

Slim

On 7/30/03 9:27 AM, "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com> wrote:

> Slim,
> 
> I have hoisted the IMF with one other guy (the key is the height of the taller
> person--as the mast approaches vertical, shorter people run out of leverage to
> move it the rest of the way and have to "throw it" the last few degrees)--it
> can be done sober.
> 
> I have also hoisted similar (but not as heavy) rigs using both winches and
> wenches.  
> 
> If it's a calm day, and the load is properly balanced, and lines are properly
> attached, everything can go well.  But things can also go very badly.  Rigs
> drop.  People get hurt.  I would not advise this to anyone who has not done it
> before.  I would not do it on the water.  I would not do it on a windy day.  I
> would not do it with inexperienced helpers.  I would not do it if I were
> tired.
> 
> Stan has tried to develop a "bullet-proof" procedure that anyone can use
> single handed.   His current rig comes close.  It is possible to screw it up,
> but the rig will probably support the load, and it is much less likely that
> anyone will get hurt.
> 
> I think of it as cheap insurance, and I always recommend that people use a
> well designed system rather than hoping they will be strong enough, or alert
> enough, or smart enough to re-invent the wheel, with so much at stake.
> 
> Bill Effros
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Alm 
> To: Rhodes 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 2:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Lowering
> 
> 
> Anne,
> 
> I do TOO have an IMF--that's exactly why I'd prefer to use a winch rather
> than man-power and a twelve pack. 8-)  However, I confess I haven't tried
> the method I described, because I have the GB hoisting rig, but I'll bet it
> works fine.  That's how Bob H. did it on Getaway--now owned by Rob Lowe.
> Rob??? Help me out here, buddy! And if you don't have a trailer, you could
> set up a temporary winch on the bow, or, well...why don't you just get the
> GB rig?  Believe me, it's too good to be true.
> 
> And never mind that Minnesota thing--love me for who I am!  8-)  I spent a
> lot of my years in Mankato, but I'm really just a poor kid from the res.
> (South Dakota)  
> 
> Slim
> 
> P.S. Yeah, good one Lloyd!
> 
> On 7/29/03 9:32 PM, "anima" <anima13 at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
>> Steve,
>> You cannot even join this conversation...first you have an empty
>> mast (no IMF...that is heavy!!!) and I have no trailer!
>> Love ya cuz yer a Minnesotan,,
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Alm" <salm at mn.rr.com>
>> To: "Rhodes" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:11 PM
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Lowering
>> 
>> 
>>> Anne and Rummy,
>>> 
>>> You both may already know this one, but it's worth mentioning.  You can
>>> raise and lower the mast with the winch on the front of the trailer.  Of
>>> course this presumes the boat is on the trailer and not in the water.  You
>>> need some kind of gin pole, which can be made of two by fours.  Some have
>>> used two 2 X 4's set up like an upside down "V".  Find a way to brace the
>>> foot of the gin pole(s) on the deck and then connect the aft lower shrouds
>>> to the top on the pole(s).  Then connect the winch line to the top of the
>>> gin pole and lower/raise away.  You don't need the other three guys and
>> you
>>> get to drink the cold twelve pack by yourself.   8-)
>>> 
>>> Slim
>>> 
>>> On 7/29/03 7:41 AM, "John Tonjes" <johntonjes at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Anne,
>>>> A cold twelve pack and three guys should be able to lower and raise the
>>>> mast. I do it all the time. Have two people handle the mast and one on
>> the
>>>> traveler. I use the traveler like a ski tow rope. It also means that I
>>>> lower the mast toward the bow and not the stern like those with the
>> crane
>>>> from GB.
>>>> 
>>>> Rummy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> [Original Message]
>>>>> From: anima <anima13 at bellsouth.net>
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Date: 7/29/2003 7:46:34 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  caution  boom fittings
>>>>> 
>>>>> The little plastic pieces at the bottom do come out if pried.
>>>>> there are a few little screws to remove if you look carefully.
>>>>> After that, the spool slides down ward enough. I could then
>>>>>  remove the sail. Next I replaced the spool and forestay is
>>>>> holding all fine. I will have to lower mast ($$) to replace repaired
>>>>> sail.
>>>>> Anne
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: <FNuttersNY at aol.com>
>>>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 7:48 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] caution boom fittings
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anne did you slide the rig of the wire spool tube sail and all?
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