[Rhodes22-list] Politics -- Question

brad haslett flybrad at yahoo.com
Wed Jun 11 06:20:14 EDT 2003


Ok, this time the link is really there.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A38939-2003May25?language=printer

--- brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Bill,
> 
> Here is a link to a Washington Post article that
> addresses the issue.  The article says that the
> accidental death rate in Iraq is about the same as
> peactime training rates.  It still seems a bit high
> to
> me given the relatively small population in Iraq but
> then again I don't know the peactime training
> accident
> rate. Many of the accidents were driving related. 
> So
> if you wreck your Humvee while dodging bullets is
> that
> an auto accident or combat related?  You've got me
> curious on this one. If the accident rate at my
> employer was that high I'd look for new work.
> 
> Brad
> --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> > Frank,
> > 
> > I'm not sure this is a case of "lied to".  As Brad
> > mentioned, DoD seens to be putting out the right
> > numbers.  Until very recently the press hasn't
> been
> > asking the right questions about those numbers. 
> The
> > totals reported by DoD have exceeded the totals
> > reported by the press.  My question was "what's
> > going on?"  The press has just begun to ask the
> same
> > question.
> > 
> > Yesterday's New York Times ran a story about this.
> 
> > In the graphic it said there were 41 US military
> > deaths since May 1.  In the story it said there
> were
> > 42.  NPR the day previously said there were 29
> > deaths since May 1.  Another died yesterday in
> > combat.
> > 
> > Again, as Brad mentioned, some of this is "combat"
> > related and others are "accidents".  So what's an
> > accident?  What does this mean?
> > 
> > Assuming the difference between the NPR deaths and
> > the NYT deaths is the difference between "combat"
> > and "accidental", there were 12 or 13 "accidental"
> > deaths over a 40 day period.
> > 
> > We have roughly 160,000 soldiers in Iraq.  
> Federal
> > Express, the firm Brad works for, has roughly
> > 146,000 employees.  Federal Express is constantly
> > flying planes, and driving trucks.  Does Federal
> > Express suffer a dozen employee deaths due to
> > "accidents" every 40 days?  I don't know?  Brad?
> > 
> > The composition of the work forces and the non
> > combat work related risks would seem to be
> similar. 
> > If the accidental death rates differ it is
> possible
> > that someone is "fudging" the totals. 
> > 
> > Bill Effros
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: FNuttersNY at aol.com 
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org 
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 6:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics -- Question
> > 
> > 
> > We do no this,  we were lied to AGAIN by those  in
> > powere who have their own 
> > agenda and are hell bent to carry it out
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