[Rhodes22-list] Politics -- Question

[brad haslett]

Bill,

If Bush lied to push his war agenda I'll be the first
to call for his impeachment.  I think the evidence was
there to make his case but others with a different
agenda could probably have used the same data to make
theirs.  Clinton, his cabinet, and both parties during
his administration felt there were WMD in Iraq and now
their words and votes are haunting them.

I have read the Clinton Grand Jury testimony and
watched most of the impeachment trial.  Frankly, I was
dissapointed with the whole thing, a waste of time and
taxpayer money.  What Bill does with his "Mr. Happy"
is of no concern to me what-so-ever now that he is out
of office and was of very little concern while he was
in office.  But, several members of the military got
fried for far less serious conduct that had a sexual
overtone while he was Commander-in-Chief. I couldn't
behave like that on my job and get away with it and
neither could most folks.  Was it an impeachable
offense?  Probably not.  I'm still disappointed that
the press didn't do their job in 1991.  It didn't
suprise me that Ken Starr failed his original mission.
 If I sat down with my corporate pilot buddies from
Little Rock and started connecting the dots from
everything we saw and heard from the period of 1978 to
1985 we could put together 95% of what really
happened.  Avoiding that last 5% is why he earned the
moniker "Slick Willy" and he had it long before he
became President.

Hopefully Hillary will run in 2004 or 2008.  I still
want her to share that commodity trading program that
no one in the history of commodity trading has been
able to duplicate.  The Rose Law Firm put a lot of
bread on my table during my last two years of college
at UALR, Most of those folks were nice people.  The
senior partner, Joe Gior (my most frequent client)went
bankrupt, Vince Foster died, Hillary (never flew her)
got a little creative with billing (just another
Arkansas method of funding candidates) but most were
just hard working, honest attorneys.  Thats no joke.

Run, Hillary Run!

Brad
--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> Brad,
> 
> I really, really, hope this question will not
> degenerate into the question "If Clinton lied about
> a blow job, is it OK for Bush to lie about a war?"
> 
> Have you ever read the Clinton Grand Jury testimony?
> 
> Most people have not.  I think you'll find it quite
> interesting.
> 
> First of all, everyone was lying.  They had quite a
> cast of characters.   People couldn't remember if
> they were fired from their last job.  They couldn't
> remember accusations made against them.  etc.
> 
> Then Clinton gets asked a sex question with no
> direct bearing on the matter at hand.  His attorneys
> object.  The question is rephrased in the negative. 
> It is so convoluted that it is written down and
> handed to Clinton who is asked if he understands the
> question.  He says he thinks he does.  He is told to
> answer yes or no.  His lawyers again object, telling
> the judge it has become the "Do you still beat your
> wife?" question--Clinton will be accused of lying no
> matter how he answers the question.  The judge
> insists that he answer the question.
> 
> The question permitted was "Have you had intercourse
> with Monica Lewinski?"  To which, it would seem,
> Clinton could have honestly answered "no".  The
> question asked was "Have you had sex with Monica
> Lewinski?" with a paragraph long definition of "sex"
> that explicitly excluded, for the purpose of this
> answer in this court at this time, blow jobs among
> other things.  Clinton seemingly truthfully answered
> "no".  
> 
> This was a set up, and I think you know it.  The
> testimony was never supposed to become public, but
> of course it did.  If you look at his public
> statements around this time, for a while he was able
> to tap dance around the truth, saying, truthfully,
> things like "Under the definition of sex as provided
> to me in my Grand Jury testimony I can honestly say
> that I never had sex with Monica Lewinski..."
> 
> Then he got sloppy and started to rely on implied
> disclaimers.  I will not, for one moment, try to
> defend this.  It was dumb.  It was dumb to get
> backed into this situation.  Knowing what he knew,
> he would have been smarter to settle earlier, even
> if he knew the charges against him amounted to
> extortion, and would lead to more frivolous suits.
> 
> To answer my own question: no, I do not think it is
> OK to lie about blow jobs.  I do not think it is ok
> to lie about war.  I do think you agree.  
> 
> Bill Effros
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: brad haslett 
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 7:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics -- Question
> 
> 
> Here's a link to a Rich Lowry column that addresses
> your issue.
> 
>
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/richlowry/rl20030603.shtml
> 
> Here's a link to a letter written to President
> Clinton
> from the authors of the Iraqi Liberation Act.
> Written
> by the Senators who authored the bill from both
> parties I might add.
> 
> http://www.nci.org/c/c81199.htm
> 
> Here's a link to a Washington columnist on the
> issue.
> 
>
Tihttp://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20030603-084008-8562r.htmmes
> 
> 
> You don't like Bush, fine!  Don't vote for him. 
> But,
> may I politely suggest that before you jump to the
> conclusion that he somehow lied, do some homework. 
> Just because Clinton could look straight faced into
> the camera and lie (remember he was impeached for it
> and lost his license to practice law) doesn't mean
> everyone is so careless with the truth.
> 
> Brad
> 
> 
> 
> --- FNuttersNY at aol.com wrote:
> > We do no this,  we were lied to AGAIN by those  in
> > powere who have their own 
> > agenda and are hell bent to carry it out
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