[Rhodes22-list] Politics -- Tail Hook

[brad haslett]

Wally,

Tail Hook was a male dominated, testosterone filled
(read fighter pilot) enviroment with a long history
and tradition.[ Note: non testosterone-filled fighter
pilots seldom make it through training much less
battle.] NO sane and rational woman attended that
didn't know on the front end what it was about.  The
primary female complaintant was willingly
participating in the "leg shaving" revelry the
previous night.  She got pissed the following night
because one of her previous  paramours "rolled in on a
new target" to use fighter pilot jargon.  I'm not
saying there wasn't some innapproapriate behaviour, or
some males didn't "cross the line", but Congressman
Pat Schroeder and her henchmen/henchwomen? blew the
whole thing out of proportion.  A lot of good men who
weren't anywhere near that Las Vegas hotel lost their
jobs because it happened under their watch.

Tail Hook got the attention it did because it was good
press for the polititions who needed to show they were
in touch with PC crowd.  Most frat parties are more
exciting.

Brad


--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Brad,
> 
> I understand but at Tailhook there were complaints
> from some women. My only 
> point is that Monica was a willing participant. From
> what I remember about 
> Tailhook things got a little out of hand. I don't
> know if people were made 
> scapegoats or not but it would not suprise me if
> this were true.
> 
> If Monica had come out and said that Clinton told
> her she would lose her job 
> if she didn't put out then I would have been all for
> the impeachment. It 
> seems she chased him as much as anything.
> 
> Wally
> 
> 
> >From: brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics -- Question
> >Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:45:49 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Wally,
> >
> >The specific officers I had in mind when I wrote
> that
> >were the ones that had their careers terminated
> over
> >Tail Hook (some who now share a cockpit with me)
> Here
> >is an excerpt from a column on that very subject.
> >
> >"In my opinion, Bill Clinton was only remorseful
> for
> >getting caught and I also believe that he still
> cares
> >more for his personal popularity than he does about
> >America. Clinton shamed and abused our trust on
> every
> >level, not the least of which was being exposed as
> a
> >molester, eager to impose himself upon every
> >vulnerable, and even unwilling female, around him.
> To
> >those who say, "it was only sex," I must respond
> that
> >he fired military personnel involved in the Tail
> Hook
> >Scandal for lesser sins than his. "
> >
> >The entire article can be read at:
> >
>
>http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/dec/01/marti.htm
> >
> >Brad
> >
> >
> >--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Brad,
> > >
> > > I agree, the impeachment proceedings were a real
> > > waste of time and money.
> > > And yes a few Officers and the top Non Com went
> down
> > > (no pun intended) for
> > > sexual offenses. In most of the cases I can
> recall
> > > (not all) there were
> > > complains filed against the offending military
> men.
> > > Monica never had any
> > > type of sexual harassment claim against Clinton.
> I
> > > realize that there were
> > > claims from other women but not Monica.  I
> thought
> > > the whole thing was blown
> > > (pun intended) out of proportion.
> > >
> > > Wally
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: brad haslett <flybrad at yahoo.com>
> > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics --
> Question
> > > >Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 06:47:34 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >
> > > >Bill,
> > > >
> > > >If Bush lied to push his war agenda I'll be the
> > > first
> > > >to call for his impeachment.  I think the
> evidence
> > > was
> > > >there to make his case but others with a
> different
> > > >agenda could probably have used the same data
> to
> > > make
> > > >theirs.  Clinton, his cabinet, and both parties
> > > during
> > > >his administration felt there were WMD in Iraq
> and
> > > now
> > > >their words and votes are haunting them.
> > > >
> > > >I have read the Clinton Grand Jury testimony
> and
> > > >watched most of the impeachment trial. 
> Frankly, I
> > > was
> > > >dissapointed with the whole thing, a waste of
> time
> > > and
> > > >taxpayer money.  What Bill does with his "Mr.
> > > Happy"
> > > >is of no concern to me what-so-ever now that he
> is
> > > out
> > > >of office and was of very little concern while
> he
> > > was
> > > >in office.  But, several members of the
> military
> > > got
> > > >fried for far less serious conduct that had a
> > > sexual
> > > >overtone while he was Commander-in-Chief. I
> > > couldn't
> > > >behave like that on my job and get away with it
> and
> > > >neither could most folks.  Was it an
> impeachable
> > > >offense?  Probably not.  I'm still disappointed
> > > that
> > > >the press didn't do their job in 1991.  It
> didn't
> > > >suprise me that Ken Starr failed his original
> > > mission.
> > > >  If I sat down with my corporate pilot buddies
> > > from
> > > >Little Rock and started connecting the dots
> from
> > > >everything we saw and heard from the period of
> 1978
> > > to
> > > >1985 we could put together 95% of what really
> > > >happened.  Avoiding that last 5% is why he
> earned
> > > the
> > > >moniker "Slick Willy" and he had it long before
> he
> > > >became President.
> > > >
> > > >Hopefully Hillary will run in 2004 or 2008.  I
> > > still
> > > >want her to share that commodity trading
> program
> > > that
> > > >no one in the history of commodity trading has
> been
> > > >able to duplicate.  The Rose Law Firm put a lot
> of
> > > >bread on my table during my last two years of
> > > college
> > > >at UALR, Most of those folks were nice people. 
> The
> > > >senior partner, Joe Gior (my most frequent
> > > client)went
> > > >bankrupt, Vince Foster died, Hillary (never
> flew
> > > her)
> > > >got a little creative with billing (just
> another
> > > >Arkansas method of funding candidates) but most
> > > were
> > > >just hard working, honest attorneys.  Thats no
> > > joke.
> > > >
> > > >Run, Hillary Run!
> > > >
> > > >Brad
> > > >--- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> > > > > Brad,
> > > > >
> > > > > I really, really, hope this question will
> not
> > > > > degenerate into the question "If Clinton
> lied
> > > about
> 
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