[Rhodes22-list] Is this the same Bill?

Thu Jun 19 09:30:21 EDT 2003

Even got a very reasonable offer from Bob Dobson who is a proud new owner of
somebody elses boat!

Bill Berner
191 South Broadway
Hastings on Hudson, NY  10706

v 914 478 2896
f 914 478 3856
e BBerner at optonline.net

-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Kroposki
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:08 AM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list'
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Is this the same Bill?

Bill Effros,
             And as I recall, he even put a dollar $ on it.
                                                       ED K

-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bill Effros
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 2:53 PM
To: bberner at optonline.net; The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks

Is this the same Bill Berner who was planning to sell his boat?  Or did
I get that wrong? 

Bill Effros

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bill Berner 
To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' 
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:20 PM
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks

I've been looking for track cars that I could mount the bimini to for
some
time with no luck.

Today I was in the vicinity of a WM and bought the 30" Bimini tracks I
wrote
about.  For less than 30 bucks you get the tracks with cars that are
tapped
for existing hinges.  Much cheaper than track cars that are intended to
work
under load.  Also I won't have to concern moving them around to
accommodate
moves of the genoa fairleads.

I expect I'll have to mount them just outboard of the Genoa track.  Not
crazy more stuff up on the gunnel, but looking forward to being able to
move
the folded bimini as far forward as possible to clear room for sitting
on
the rail.

I hope to get to the project tomorrow.

BB

Bill Berner
191 South Broadway
Hastings on Hudson, NY  10706

v 914 478 2896
f 914 478 3856
e BBerner at optonline.net

-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Wally Buck
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:11 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks

MJM,

To clarify - I do not want to install new tracks. My question was; are
the 
cars (for Bimini supports) shown in LLoyd's photo still available from
GB? 
If not who does stock them?

Thanks,

Wally

>From: "Michael Meltzer" <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: <bberner at optonline.net>,"The Rhodes 22 mail list" 
><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks
>Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:34:26 -0400
>
>maybe I am missing something, most people install it on a car on the
jib 
>track, you want to put in a new track?
>
>MJM
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Berner" <bberner at optonline.net>
>To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 8:06 PM
>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks
>
>
> > WM Info for Bimini Track and fittings.
> >
> > Tracks come with slides which should come drilled correctly for deck

>hinges.
> > Sold in pairs  Both made by Taylor
> >
> > 18" Long Chrome Model # 192965   28.99
> > 30" Long Chrome Model # 192973   25.99
> >
> > No I didn't write it down wrong.  According to the catalog the 30"
is
> > cheaper than the 18".
> >
> > They also have track end caps in black or white by taylor
> > Black 460560 2.99
> > White 446023 2.99
> >
> > In what appears to be chrome "Zamak"
> > 436487 8.99
> >
> > Doesn't say if they are sold in pairs, so they probably aren't.
> >
> > I'm almost motivated enough to order them for myself.
> >
> > BB
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill Berner
> > 191 South Broadway
> > Hastings on Hudson, NY  10706
> >
> > v 914 478 2896
> > f 914 478 3856
> > e BBerner at optonline.net
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Wally Buck
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:42 PM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks
> >
> > So if I understand correctly the hardware used in the posted pics is
no
> > longer available from GB? What a shame I was thinking of breaking
down 
>and
> > buying ....
> >
> > Wally
> >
> >
> > >From: Bill Berner <bberner at optonline.net>
> > >Reply-To: bberner at optonline.net,The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > ><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks
> > >Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:29:41 -0400
> > >
> > >Lloyd -
> > >
> > >Don't mind at all.  Didn't realize it was a response to me!  They
are 
>great
> > >shots, and I'm jealous.
> > >
> > >Stan apparently doesn't have any more, or is (reasonably) holding
them 
>in
> > >reserve for the boats he's building/recycling.
> > >
> > >The alternative seems to be getting "bimini tracks" and slides
which 
>are
> > >available from WM and putting more junk on the gunnels.
> > >
> > >Haven't gotten around to it but expect to do so.
> > >
> > >Will post my experience when complete.
> > >
> > >Thanks again for the pix.
> > >
> > >BB
> > >
> > >Bill Berner
> > >191 South Broadway
> > >Hastings on Hudson, NY  10706
> > >
> > >v 914 478 2896
> > >f 914 478 3856
> > >e BBerner at optonline.net
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of lcrowther
> > >Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 11:14 AM
> > >To: New Rhodes22 List
> > >Subject: Fw: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks
> > >
> > >Ed,
> > >
> > >I only know that my track width is, or was. standard GB issue.  the

>reason
> > >I
> > >put the pictures in this list is because Bill Berner asked me about
the
> > >cars.  Since there seems to be a general interest or curiosity
about
> > >movable
> > >Bimini mounts I am posting the correspondence with Bill before I
took 
>the
> > >pictures.  Hope you don't mind, Bill!
> > >
> > >Lloyd
> > >s/v Uhuru II
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "lcrowther" <lcrowther at cox.net>
> > >To: <bberner at optonline.net>
> > >Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 2:14 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks
> > >
> > >
> > > > Bill,
> > > >
> > > > The car is made of a black plastic block with a groove on the
bottom

>and
> > > > lips at the bottom of the groove sides which will fit under the 
>track.
> > >(You
> > > > have to take off one stop, located at the ends of each the
track, to

>fit
> > > > each block onto its track.)  On the top of the block, mounted by
two
> > >screws,
> > > > is the same fitting that looks as if it could be positioned on
the 
>deck
> > >as
> > >a
> > > > fixed-position Bimini mount.  This fitting, which is screwed to
the 
>top
> > >of
> > > > the block, has a slot on top that takes the fitting tongue
located 
>at
> > >the
> > > > bottom of the Bimini tubing.  The slot on the top of the fitting

>that is
> > > > screwed on the top of the block has a screw hole through both
sides;

>a
> > >screw
> > > > goes through one hole of this car fitting, through the hole in
the
> > >tongue
> > >of
> > > > the Bimini pipe fitting, and through the hole in the other side
car
> > >fitting.
> > > > The whole black plastic car unit is apparently made especially
for 
>Stan,
> > >he
> > > > had a whole bin full of them in April of 2002.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry this explanation is so convoluted, hope you can figure it
out.
> > > >
> > > > Lloyd
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Bill Berner" <bberner at optonline.net>
> > > > To: "'lcrowther'" <lcrowther at cox.net>
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 7:37 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lloyd -
> > > >
> > > > What does the lead car look like?
> > > >
> > > > I can't see how the end fitting on the bimini would mount to any
of 
>the
> > > > cars/fittings that are in the WM catalog.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > BB
> > > >
> > > > Bill Berner
> > > > 191 South Broadway
> > > > Hastings on Hudson, NY  10706
> > > >
> > > > v 914 478 2896
> > > > f 914 478 3856
> > > > e BBerner at optonline.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: lcrowther [mailto:lcrowther at cox.net]
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:09 AM
> > > > To: bberner at optonline.net; The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks
> > > >
> > > > Bill,
> > > >
> > > > Last spring I went down to GB and bought a used Bimini from
Stan.  I
> > >also
> > > > bought two (Bimini Mounting?) cars that I mounted on the Genoa
lead 
>car
> > > > tracks in front of the Genoa leads.  My track goes well back of
my
> > >winches
> > > > and is very long but when I looked at the boats Stan had in for
> > >repair,etc.
> > > > the track layouts came in several configurations.  When my
Bimini is
> > >folded
> > > > down I push the Bimini cars forward so the folded down Bimini 
>crosses
> > >the
> > > > cabin roof far enough forward so it does not interfere with the 
>access
> > > > below.  I seldom use my Bimini under sail; under power, in my
slip, 
>or
> > >at
> > > > anchor it is great.
> > > >
> > > > Lloyd
> > > > s/v Uhuru II
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Bill Berner" <bberner at optonline.net>
> > > > To: <Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 2:20 PM
> > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Biminis on tracks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Last year we got a bimini from GB.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm interested in mounting it on a track, in the hopes that I'll
be 
>able
> > >to
> > > > slide it forward some in order to make it easier to sit up on
the
> > >gunnels
> > > > when the boat is heeled over.  As set now it is really in the
way, 
>and
> > >also
> > > > a bit in the way of the genoa sheets if the fairleads are set
close 
>to
> > >the
> > > > winches.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So my question is - anybody else got theirs on tracks.  Do you
use 
>the
> > >genoa
> > > > lead car track, and if so with what hardware.  Do you use a
separate
> > >bimini
> > > > track outboard or inboard of the genoa track?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > As Rumsfeld said, there are things we know, things we know we
don't
> > >know,
> > > > and things we don't know that we don't know.  Applies to me with

>this
> > > > question.  All help appreciated.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BB
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bill Berner
> > > >
> > > > 191 South Broadway
> > > >
> > > > Hastings on Hudson, NY  10706
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > v 914 478 2896
> > > >
> > > > f 914 478 3856
> > > >
> > > > e BBerner at optonline.net
> > > >
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