[Rhodes22-list] RE: [rhodes-list] New Main Sail - We are waiting for more accurate information

[Wally Buck]

Jay,

Hmmmm very interesting,

Wally


>From: "Jim Connolly" <jbconnolly@speakeasy.net>
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>Subject: [Rhodes22-list]  RE: [rhodes-list] New Main Sail - We are waiting 
>for more accurate information
>Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:30:49 -0500
>
>Jay,
>
>I am interested, but as a newbie to the R-22, I am unsure of the tradeoffs
>and benefits.
>
>After adding electric start to the motor, new sails (new 150% genoa and IMF
>Mk-I (for now ;-)) and new cabin cushions, I am also over my self-imposed
>limit.  :-0
>
>Somebody needs to draw a picture.  I'll start You described a four-sided
>sail with a vertical batten.  I had an image in my mind something like the
>one on the left, with ~100 SF IMF Mk-I in blue, ~110SF IMF MK-II in red 
>with
>the dashed red line a long batten.  Now you say the batten is 30" long?
>
>After drawing it, I see that the batten wouldn't need to be as long as I 
>had
>initially pictured in my head.  New mental picture is more like the right,
>with short batten further aft and lower.
>
>Is either version even close?
>
>Jim Connolly
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jay Friedland [mailto:a.jayf@verizon.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:03 AM
> > To: rhodes-list@sailnet.net
> > Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] New Main Sail - We are waiting for more
> > accurate information
> >
> >
> > Ed-
> > You're making a lucky guess (NYC born, NJ-bred). I've lost my edge with
> > Stan-he offered the demo boat on one of my visits, now I'm the only
> > source of info on this sail...can't stand the pressure.
> >
> > In following debates of Standard vs. IMF over the past few years,
> > stiffening the sail has been one of the deep divisions in the boat's
> > performance vs. convenience. I'd love to see Steve, Roger, or another
> > Standard Mainsail user evaluate it fairly. I'm sure the power of sail
> > draft will still make the Standard perform better, but it would be
> > interesting to see how much this closes the gap. Stan's designs always
> > defy traditional sail controls. He ought to do a manual in his spare
> > time on Sail Control with the R22.
> >
> > The batten itself is about 30" long and really flattens the whole
> > mainsail significantly, probably even more significantly as the sail is
> > stretched with use. In a conversation with Tom Deliberto, he had his
> > gennie designed as a biradial cut to compensate for stretch. He's the
> > only one I know that has done this, but reefing and stretch are the two
> > things I've seen affect performance. If both factors can be addressed
> > this way, I see new main as a big plus. On most other boats without
> > furled/protected sails, sail life is typically limited to 4-5 years
> > based on use and wind conditions. With the above improvements, sail
> > life plus performance, it adds another advantage to the convenience of
> > the R22.
> >
> > However, I'm not sure if I mentioned the CO2 cartridges that are needed
> > for the new main.
> >
> > Did Jim Connolly mention he's waiting on the MK II as the new design?
> > Jay
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 09:30 AM, Kroposki wrote:
> >
> > > Jay,
> > > 	I thought you were from New York.  Are you telling us that some
> > > guy from Brooklyn snuck one by you? Oh come on now.
> > >                                    Ed K
> > >
> > >
> > >
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