[Rhodes22-list] RE: [rhodes-list] New Main Sail - Wearewaitingfor
more accurate information
Wally Buck
tnrhodey@hotmail.com
Fri, 07 Mar 2003 12:31:05 -0500
Well now I am not sure now what file I viewed. I do remember viewing the
drawings ....I also remember I didn't view in browser. I associated the file
with The Kodak viewer and it opened.
Then again I have slept several times since viewing and I could be wrong....
Wally
>From: Jay Friedland <a.jayf@verizon.net>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>To: kroposki@innova.net,The Rhodes 22 mail list
><rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: [rhodes-list] New Main Sail -
>Wearewaitingfor more accurate information
>Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:36:29 -0500
>
>Wally, Jim,
>Not sure if it's a broken url, but with or without <-II.bin> didn't work.
>J
>On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 09:25 AM, Kroposki wrote:
>
>>Wally:
>> I can not see any attachments on this thread, but saw the square
>>sail picture on another thread, is that the attachment?
>> Ed K
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org
>>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Wally Buck
>>Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 8:37 AM
>>To: rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: [rhodes-list] New Main Sail - We
>>arewaitingfor more accurate information
>>
>>Jay,
>>
>>scroll all the way down to see attachments. I was able to view.
>>
>>Wally
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: Jay Friedland <a.jayf@verizon.net>
>>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>>>To: jbconnolly@speakeasy.net,The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>><rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
>>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RE: [rhodes-list] New Main Sail - We are
>>>waitingfor more accurate information
>>>Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:26:11 -0500
>>>
>>>Jim-
>>>If there's an attachment, it didn't come through.
>>>
>>>The leech (loose end) of the sail is only a slight triangle. It's cut
>>high
>>>to the batten, then drops to the clew. My best guess is the batten is
>>>about 20" in from the clew. Not sure if all these numbers work. If I
>>knew
>>>I'd be the source of info, the tape measure would have been out.
>>>
>>>Try to resend.
>>>Jay
>>>
>>>
>>>On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 10:30 AM, Jim Connolly wrote:
>>>
>>>>Jay,
>>>>
>>>>I am interested, but as a newbie to the R-22, I am unsure of the
>>>>tradeoffs
>>>>and benefits.
>>>>
>>>>After adding electric start to the motor, new sails (new 150% genoa
>>and
>>>>IMF
>>>>Mk-I (for now ;-)) and new cabin cushions, I am also over my
>>self-imposed
>>>>limit. :-0
>>>>
>>>>Somebody needs to draw a picture. I'll start You described a
>>four-sided
>>>>sail with a vertical batten. I had an image in my mind something like
>>
>>>>the
>>>>one on the left, with ~100 SF IMF Mk-I in blue, ~110SF IMF MK-II in
>>red
>>>>with
>>>>the dashed red line a long batten. Now you say the batten is 30"
>>long?
>>>>
>>>>After drawing it, I see that the batten wouldn't need to be as long as
>>I
>>>>had
>>>>initially pictured in my head. New mental picture is more like the
>>>>right,
>>>>with short batten further aft and lower.
>>>>
>>>>Is either version even close?
>>>>
>>>>Jim Connolly
>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Jay Friedland [mailto:a.jayf@verizon.net]
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:03 AM
>>>>>To: rhodes-list@sailnet.net
>>>>>Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] New Main Sail - We are waiting for more
>>>>>accurate information
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ed-
>>>>>You're making a lucky guess (NYC born, NJ-bred). I've lost my edge
>>with
>>>>>Stan-he offered the demo boat on one of my visits, now I'm the only
>>>>>source of info on this sail...can't stand the pressure.
>>>>>
>>>>>In following debates of Standard vs. IMF over the past few years,
>>>>>stiffening the sail has been one of the deep divisions in the boat's
>>>>>performance vs. convenience. I'd love to see Steve, Roger, or another
>>>>>Standard Mainsail user evaluate it fairly. I'm sure the power of sail
>>>>>draft will still make the Standard perform better, but it would be
>>>>>interesting to see how much this closes the gap. Stan's designs
>>always
>>>>>defy traditional sail controls. He ought to do a manual in his spare
>>>>>time on Sail Control with the R22.
>>>>>
>>>>>The batten itself is about 30" long and really flattens the whole
>>>>>mainsail significantly, probably even more significantly as the sail
>>is
>>>>>stretched with use. In a conversation with Tom Deliberto, he had his
>>>>>gennie designed as a biradial cut to compensate for stretch. He's the
>>>>>only one I know that has done this, but reefing and stretch are the
>>two
>>>>>things I've seen affect performance. If both factors can be addressed
>>>>>this way, I see new main as a big plus. On most other boats without
>>>>>furled/protected sails, sail life is typically limited to 4-5 years
>>>>>based on use and wind conditions. With the above improvements, sail
>>>>>life plus performance, it adds another advantage to the convenience
>>of
>>>>>the R22.
>>>>>
>>>>>However, I'm not sure if I mentioned the CO2 cartridges that are
>>needed
>>>>>for the new main.
>>>>>
>>>>>Did Jim Connolly mention he's waiting on the MK II as the new design?
>>>>>Jay
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 09:30 AM, Kroposki wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Jay,
>>>>>> I thought you were from New York. Are you telling us that some
>>>>>>guy from Brooklyn snuck one by you? Oh come on now.
>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>Name: imfMk-II.bmp Type: image/bmp Size: 359992 bytes Desc: not
>>available
>>>>Url:
>>>>http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200303/05/ imfMk-
>>
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