[ham] RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Goering on Going to War

[Michael Meltzer]

Bill, assuming that we all know the facts, and at the same moment in time(now), in your view is their a way for the for us to do the
"right thing", BTW the simple stuff like "go home" and "kill no one" and a debate how we got here and other black/white stuff can we
skip. I not trying to beat you up or getting in your face but I wondering if you are open to use of force to solve this?

My favorite talking heads quote for the day. "I hope they have enough lamp posts and they are strong enough to hold all the bodies"

MJM

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Berner" <bberner@optonline.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:24 AM
Subject: [ham] RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Goering on Going to War


> To use a metaphor - Cutting off someones head is not necessarily an
> effective cure for brain cancer.
>
> Getting rid of a dictator does not necessarily mean that what follows will
> be better, and there is no indication that there is a plan for who to build
> a new Iraq that will hold together the Kurds, Shiites, and Sunni's in a way
> that doesn't just as brutally repress one or more of those groups.  I repeat
> myself, but the US doesn't have a great record when it comes to sustained
> follow through at nation building, and in Iraq we will be trying to do it in
> a place where we are, to put it kindly, not trusted by the populace,
> especially because of our abandoning the Kurds in the north and Shiites (I
> think) in the South when they regbelled against Hussein after the last war.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces@rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rik Sandberg
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 8:35 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics: Goering on Going to War
>
> Sorry Bill,
>
> But I'm not quite that wishy washy. Some things are just plain wrong and
> need
> to get "cured". It seems that the US is the only country in the world that
> is
> willing to spearhead the effort. Most of the rest are willing to overlook
> Saddam's atrosities for the sake of the profits they are making by trading
> him weapons and such for his oil. Again, where are our priorities here???
> Saddam Hussein is about as good an example of wrong as I have seen in a long
>
> time, I truly can't believe that he has lived this long.
>
> Rik
>
>
> On Wednesday 26 March 2003 08:58 am, you wrote:
> > "Naturally, the common people don't want war, but after all, it is the
> > leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple
> > matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
> > dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.  Voice or no
> > voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
> > This is easy.  All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
> and
> > denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to
> > danger.  It works the same in every country."
> >
> > Hermann Goering
> > Hitler's Reich-Marshall
> > At the Nuremberg Trials
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