[Rhodes22-list] Soap Boxes ***POLITICAL***

[Ronald Lipton]

I have similar feelings to Bill.  I feel that some of the posts are
cheap shots which are best left to a list of fellow right-leaners.
It is irritating, and perhaps insulting, to people with different
viewpoints.
I could also post a set of random links to items on the other side
of the political fence.  It is much easier than expressing real thought
on complex issues.  That is also why I avoid bumper stickers.
The real world is too complex to reduce to the sort of simplified
sloganeering we see too often on this list.

On the other hand, I know how to use the delete key and treat most of the
political posts the same way I treat spam.   This list is about
sailing, but it shouldn't be arbitrarily restricted. It would be nice, and
much
easier if there was a ***POLITICAL*** flag in the subject line of such
messages.  It would avoid many raised blood pressures and ill feelings.


Ron Lipton

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Berner" <bberner at optonline.net>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 2:19 PM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Soap Boxes


> I've been prompted to write by Brad's last couple of posts, especially
> "Rumsfeld apologizes"
>
> I started in to write a suggestion that the list charter be modified to
ask
> that members be refrain from soap boxing their political positions.
>
> Then I realized that it would be asking for the group to curtail Freedom
of
> Speech.
>
> So, I'm left with a conundrum.
>
> I am personally sick and tired of the inflammatory conservative claptrap
> that shows up here.  It's isn't always the substance that irks me so much,
> but the belligerance, sarcasm and school yard bullying quality of so many
of
> the posts. I have rarely seen any acknowledgement that issues can be
> multifaceted and complicated.
>
> Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like all of the cannon fire comes from the
> starboard side, and I'm pretty tired of it.
>
> Chances are that I'll have to quit the list to resolve the issue, not a
> choice I easily make.  There has been some good company here, and lot's of
> good information.
>
> Curious to see responses, then I'll shut up and make a decision.
>
>
> Bill Berner
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of brad haslett
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:37 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rumsfeld Apologizes
>
> May 26, 2003
> Rumsfeld Apologizes for Hyping Saddam Threat
> (2003-05-26) -- U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald
> Rumsfeld apologized to Senate Democrats today for
> pre-war "hyping" of the threat posed by Saddam
> Hussein's regime.
>
> "I'm sorry Senators Biden, Rockefeller, Byrd, Roberts
> and others," said a contrite Mr. Rumsfeld. "We
> overestimated the threat posed by a lunatic dictator,
> who hated the U.S. and Israel, and who paid rewards to
> families of Palestinian terrorists. In an age when two
> of the world's tallest buildings can be brought down
> with tools used by the stockboy at K-Mart, we should
> have demanded more concrete evidence of exotic weapons
> of mass destruction. Saddam was helpless as a kitten
> up a tree."
>
> Sen. Rockefeller, D-WV, said Congress must determine
> whether the administration "intentionally
> overestimated" Iraq's weapons program, or "just
> misread it. ... In either case it's a very bad
> outcome."
>
> Mr. Rumsfeld agreed, "What an awful outcome. We deeply
> regret freeing the Iraqi people from a murderous gang
> of thugs masquerading in the United Nations as a
> representative republic. We're sorry that the Iraqi
> people have discovered thousands of graves of their
> Saddam-murdered relatives. It's none of our business
> if people want to live like that."
>
>
>
>
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