[ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] Changing subject line

Thu May 29 10:01:53 EDT 2003

Fine by me - I thought about changing the subject line as well but the 
reason given in the past was to help whensearching the archives. I didn't 
think anyone would want to reread our walk down NY's memory lane.

So Bill why is your subject line still "Soap Boxes", come on get witht the 
program!! - <<big grin>>

It will be interesting to see how long we can stick to only four rules.....

Wally

>From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] Soap Boxes
>Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:42:52 -0400
>
>Michael,
>
>I thought "Rhendezvous Rain-out (nearly) Report - bogg?" was a reference to 
>NYC.
>
>Actually, I didn't, and I knew I should change the subject line, but I 
>didn't.
>
>As you know, for years I was the guy who kept posting our only rule "No 
>Politics, No Religion".  Then we added the rule "Jokes must be labelled in 
>the subject line."  Then many jokes became very political, drawing 
>political responses so we said that Politics would be OK as long as 
>Politics was labelled in the subject line.
>
>Changing the subject line to reflect the real subject is a courtesy, but 
>there is so much spam out there that I think we should make it a rule as 
>well.
>
>That would make a total of 4 rules for the list:
>
>1.  No Religion
>2.  Jokes must be labelled in the subject line.
>3.  Politics must be labelled in the subject line.
>4.  If you change the subject you must also change the subject line.
>
>Just as you post the charter from time to time, and Rummy posts information 
>about the off-list list, I will post these rules periodically.  Anyone who 
>feels these rules aren't being followed is free to post them, as well, or 
>to send me a note, on the list, asking me to post them.  That way no one is 
>specifically slammed, and anyone offended by postings from other list 
>members can speak up.
>
>Bill Effros
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Michael Meltzer
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 12:22 AM
>Subject: Re: [ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] Soap Boxes
>
>
>Sounds like a plan, just needs to be done judicially and with some tack, I 
>do not want people feeling they are being "slammed"
>upside the head about it. More along the lines of "education", the reasons 
>why this came to be, how helpful they/it would be to the
>list and how the Citizens of the world will rejoice at thier 
>enlightenment.. Kind of like changing the subject line "Rhendezvous
>Rain-out (nearly) Report - bogg?" :-)
>
>
>Us Carzy NYer's, what would the world be without us :-)
>
>MJM
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bill Effros" <bill at effros.com>
>To: <bberner at optonline.net>; "The Rhodes 22 mail list" 
><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:43 AM
>Subject: [ham] Re: [Rhodes22-list] Soap Boxes
>
>
>Bill,
>
>When I was in college, a decision was made to permit George Lincoln 
>Rockwell, the head of the American Nazi Party, to speak to the
>student body.  Free speech.  Free country.  Every voice should be heard.
>
>Most agreed with the decision, but initially there was little agreement 
>about an appropriate response.  Finally, after much debate,
>a consensus emerged.   Everyone who could fit into the hall would attend.  
>There would be no banners.  There would be no
>disruptions.  At the end of the speech there would be no challenges.  No 
>questions.  Everyone would simply and quietly leave.
>
>Rockwell delivered a vile speech, and then asked for audience response, 
>whereupon the entire student body simply got up and walked
>out, leaving him ranting at the podium.  It was the most effective protest 
>I have ever seen.
>
>My impression is that this list has elected to protest the puerile postings 
>of some members in much the same way.  Most of the
>people on this list are not fools.  Anyone seeking an intelligent 
>discussion of all sides of any issue can find it here.  Many of
>these discussions have been fascinating, especially because there are 
>literally hundreds of us with nothing in common except a boat.
>
>The issue you raise has occured to others.  The strength of the list is 
>that you raise it publicly, rather than just dropping off
>the list.  The number of different people posting inflammatory claptrap has 
>been greatly reduced from earlier times.  I think most
>people agree with you and protest with their delete keys.
>
>In the past, when this issue came up, we asked that jokes and politics be 
>clearly posted in the subject line so that people who do
>not wish to read these things in this forum will not be tricked into 
>reading something they consider offensive.  As always, most
>people comply, but a few persist, and think saying "Oh, silly me!" is cute.
>
>
>Michael,
>
>Let's enforce the rules about labelling jokes and politics in the subject 
>line.  We should not wait until someone is offended and
>feels the only option is to leave the list.  People who have been on the 
>list, and know the rules, should point this out to
>newcomers as soon as the rules are broken.  There is really no excuse or 
>rationale for this type of behavior.
>
>Bill Effros
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Bill Berner
>To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list'
>Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:19 PM
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Soap Boxes
>
>
>I've been prompted to write by Brad's last couple of posts, especially
>"Rumsfeld apologizes"
>
>I started in to write a suggestion that the list charter be modified to ask
>that members be refrain from soap boxing their political positions.
>
>Then I realized that it would be asking for the group to curtail Freedom of
>Speech.
>
>So, I'm left with a conundrum.
>
>I am personally sick and tired of the inflammatory conservative claptrap
>that shows up here.  It's isn't always the substance that irks me so much,
>but the belligerance, sarcasm and school yard bullying quality of so many 
>of
>the posts. I have rarely seen any acknowledgement that issues can be
>multifaceted and complicated.
>
>Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like all of the cannon fire comes from the
>starboard side, and I'm pretty tired of it.
>
>Chances are that I'll have to quit the list to resolve the issue, not a
>choice I easily make.  There has been some good company here, and lot's of
>good information.
>
>Curious to see responses, then I'll shut up and make a decision.
>
>
>Bill Berner
>191 South Broadway
>Hastings on Hudson, NY  10706
>
>v 914 478 2896
>f 914 478 3856
>e BBerner at optonline.net
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of brad haslett
>Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:37 PM
>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rumsfeld Apologizes
>
>May 26, 2003
>Rumsfeld Apologizes for Hyping Saddam Threat
>(2003-05-26) -- U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald
>Rumsfeld apologized to Senate Democrats today for
>pre-war "hyping" of the threat posed by Saddam
>Hussein's regime.
>
>"I'm sorry Senators Biden, Rockefeller, Byrd, Roberts
>and others," said a contrite Mr. Rumsfeld. "We
>overestimated the threat posed by a lunatic dictator,
>who hated the U.S. and Israel, and who paid rewards to
>families of Palestinian terrorists. In an age when two
>of the world's tallest buildings can be brought down
>with tools used by the stockboy at K-Mart, we should
>have demanded more concrete evidence of exotic weapons
>of mass destruction. Saddam was helpless as a kitten
>up a tree."
>
>Sen. Rockefeller, D-WV, said Congress must determine
>whether the administration "intentionally
>overestimated" Iraq's weapons program, or "just
>misread it. ... In either case it's a very bad
>outcome."
>
>Mr. Rumsfeld agreed, "What an awful outcome. We deeply
>regret freeing the Iraqi people from a murderous gang
>of thugs masquerading in the United Nations as a
>representative republic. We're sorry that the Iraqi
>people have discovered thousands of graves of their
>Saddam-murdered relatives. It's none of our business
>if people want to live like that."
>
>
>
>
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