[Rhodes22-list] Holocaust - first they came for the .....

[Michael Meltzer]

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From: "Michael Meltzer" <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
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> the original is:
>
> First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
>     because I was not a communist;
> Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
>     because I was not a socialist;
> Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
>     because I was not a trade unionist;
> Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
>     because I was not a Jew;
> Then they came for me--
>     and there was no one left to speak out for me.
>
> Niemöller knew the correct order(and in fact left several groups out, Jehovah's Witnesses, Gypsies , dissenting clergy,
homosexuals,
> any one in a mental hospitable, retarded, etc....) in fact any nazi third grader knew it to. the reframe has changed over time, I
am
> sure the McCarthy 1950's had a lot to do with it, remeber the jews where the "fininal" soulation, hilter consider himself a god
but
> also a Catholic(same for the bulk of Germany), Niemöller was Protestant.and had no love for the Catholic's(that old fight) and who
> was not Catholic was Protestant. hilter left the church alone.
>
> MJM
>
> PS.you slipping bill :-)
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kroposki" <kroposki at innova.net>
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> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:16 AM
> Subject: RE: [rhodes-list] Holocaust - first they came for the .....
>
>
> Gregg,
> Thank you for your reply.  When Michael used part of the first
> line, I recognized the source.  The last few years, I have kept a copy
> of the verse, it just took some time for me to find it.  This verse has
> both political and business implications.  Look at the lady accountant
> from Enron who was speaking out.  How many others are working for
> organizations who have crossed the line and are fearful to speak out
> because they would loose their jobs.  More troubling is that many issues
> of right or wrong are being obscured in the name of political
> correctness. We may have a Constitutional right of free speech, but the
> pressures against using it are great.  It still takes individual courage
> to speak out.  Recently I saw an interview with the actor, Ed
> Asner(sp?).  He has been outspoken on several liberal issues.  The
> interviewer stated that he was an example that you could speak out and
> not be reprised against.  Mr. Asner shot back that he was definitely
> reprised against for his views and it cost him many roles as an actor.
>
> Ed K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregg J. Dinino [mailto:gjdinino at utel.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 9:23 AM
> To: rhodes-list at sailnet.net
> Subject: Re: [rhodes-list] Holocaust - first they came for the .....
>
> Ed,
>
> Rather timely with political and cultural climate in this country these
> days, don't you think?  Thanks for providing the whole quote. . . I've
> been
> missing a few lines all these years.
>
> Gregg
>
> Gregg J. Dinino
> Kennebunk, ME
> s/v Tosca
> 1958 Rhodes 18 (keel) #4-58
>
>
> At 10:38 PM 9/3/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >Michael stated a post with "first they came for the ..."
> >So everyone knows the whole verse, here is the rest of the story:
> >
> >
> >In Germany they first came for the Communists
> >     and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
> >  Then they came for the Jews,
> >     and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
> >Then they came for the trade unionists
> >      and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
> >Then they came for the Catholics
> >      and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
> >  Then they came for me
> >     and by that time no one was left to speak up.
> >
> >  --The Reverend Martin Niemöller, a pastor in the German Confessing
> >Church
> >who spent seven years in a concentration camp.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael
> Meltzer
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:36 PM
> >To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] first they came for the .....
> >
> >
> >
> >Then see and understand his post:
> >
> >http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11286
> >
> >         Ed K
> >
> >
> >
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