[Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera reports

Thu Apr 1 11:42:38 EST 2004

Mark,

Well said!

Wally

>From: "Mark Kaynor" <mark at kaynor.org>
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>Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera reports
>Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 10:31:36 -0500
>
>Steve,
>
>"Think about it, if Clinton would have done what Bush did, 3,000 people
>would be alive now.  You can't argue with that."
>
>See  http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ - I guess you must have meant "American
>people". And who knows what would have happened if Clinton had done what
>Bush did? It could have incited even higher levels of anti-Americanism and
>more terrorist acts.
>
>And I love this sentiment - "If they act up, well stomp on them." I wonder
>why some of them don't like us?
>
>Mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Steve
>Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:49 AM
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>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera reports
>
>
>Slim
>Let me help you with your answer below.  I know you
>Liberal are out there but you really need to stop
>hating Bush and analyze the facts.
>
>The US needed a contractor, if not Halliburton, then
>WHO?  Halliburton is one of the biggest company in the
>world, operating in countries with offices all over
>the world.  The US can't contract with Billy Bob
>Democrate if they are not big enough to handle the
>job.  Halliburton is hugh.  All contractor have audit
>problems.  Trust me, I work for the government; all
>contractors get audit findings and when the auditors
>find something; the problem is corected.  Its normal
>whether the contractor is Democrate or Republican.
>
>The US is safer; much safer.  Remember, since 9/11, we
>haven't been hit on our own soil.  Yes, thier hitting
>us oversea, Irag but thier hitting the military, NOT
>citizens.  We are keeping them pin down over there,
>oversea.  This is the smart things to do.  Remember,
>Clinton had 8 years, they attached the twin towers,
>Our foreign embassies, the USS Cole and all Clinton
>did was lob a few bombs at them.  Think about it, if
>Clinton would have done what Bush did, 3,000 people
>would be alive now.  You can't argue with that.
>
>As for oil prices, This country has plenty of oil. If
>democrate would stop fighting and let the US pump its
>own oil, then gas would be under a $1 a gallon.  You
>can't blame that on Bush.  Remember, up in Alaski
>where only anamil is a polar bear & nothing else -
>think about it - why don't we pump that out & use it.
>Its the Democrate that stop that.  Funny thing is that
>the people in Alaski wanted the business up there.  Go
>figure!!!!!!!!!!
>
>As for US relation, remember we are the lone Super
>Power,  sometimes everbody is not going to like us.
>Do we stop pushing our values, our fight for freedom
>around the world, for rights for Women & children.
>You would think that these are Democrate values.
>Whats up with that?  Besides screw the French &
>Germans, France couldn't wipe its way out of a wet
>paper bag & Germany - well, we have wipe them before &
>we can do it again if they don't like what we are
>doing.  That why we keep Militery Bases in Germany &
>Japan.  If they act up, well stomp on them.  You all
>should know this stuff- Remember - Freedom is NOT
>Free!!!!!! And War is ulgy!!!  Its always best to
>fight on some other country soil.
>
>As for the economy, Clinton lived off Reagon & Bush
>Sr. economy policies & cut the CIA, FBI & military
>budgets to make that surplus.  Bush Jr. will fix the
>mess that Clinton made.  YOu should be thanking Bush.
>If you analyze economice over the last decade, you
>would know this.  LIke I said, you got to stop hating
>Bush and analyze these things.  I don't hate Clinton,
>you a good old country boy who liked to party.  He
>party here in Arkansas, raise taxes, grew government
>out of control, our supress court rule that our
>Education system was unconstitutional.  Now you would
>think with Clinton saying he was the Education
>President, why did he leave Arkansas in such a mess.
>
>O'well, this is a waste of my time.  Folks you have to
>analyze things for what they are, leave personal
>feeling out of it.  Do what best for our country!!!!
>
>Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>--- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
> > Is Halliburton making a fortune?  Yes!  Has this
> > stabilized the middle east?
> > No!  Has it made the US safer?  No!  Has it had a
> > positive effect on gas
> > prices?  Yes, if you're an oil company.  Has Bush
> > spent his way to the
> > highest deficit in history?  Yes!  Has it led to
> > better US relations with
> > ANY other country in the world?  Yes, if you're
> > Israel.  Has this
> > administration become a Fascist regime?  Yes!
> > (Fascism:  When government is
> > in bed with industry, when civil rights are taken
> > away and the rule is by
> > intimidation, threat and fear.)  Is the war on
> > terrorism best fought in Iraq
> > (no connection to 9/11, but over 150,000 troops) or
> > Afghanistan (confirmed
> > connection to 9/11, but only 11,000 troops?) And
> > speaking of connections to
> > 9/11, why do we have this cozy relationship with
> > Saudi Arabia?  Could it
> > be...um...the oil?  Is it not the real Taliban
> > training ground?  Most of the
> > hijackers were Saudis,  Osama's a Saudi.  Hello????
> > One week after 9/11,
> > anyone with a Saudi passport was allowed into the
> > US.  Egyptian--No!
> > Iranian--No!  Moroccan--No!  French--Kiss My Ass!
> > Oh, but Saudis--no
> > problem.  Bring money!
> >
> > And does all this take Americans' minds off the
> > domestic problems that Bush
> > has worsened?  He wishes!!!
> >
> > So I guess Geraldo didn't see the news today (Wed)
> > from Fallujah, huh?  I'm
> > referring to the nine Americans killed in a raid
> > where Iraqis dragged the
> > burned and mutilated bodies behind cars and hung
> > them up on a bridge.  How's
> > he gonna sugar-coat that one?  Is THAT simply
> > leftist reporting?  A couple
> > weeks ago Peter Jennings from ABC (Steve, some say
> > ABC is too liberal, some
> > say it's not liberal enough--but nobody says it's
> > conservative) was on
> > location in Iraq reporting on the state of affairs
> > one year after the
> > invasion.  There was plenty of positive news, but to
> > suggest that the Dems
> > are "nitpicking" for reporting stories like this one
> > from Fallujah is
> > absurd.  C' mon!  Consider the source.  Geraldo
> > Rivera???!!!  I'll take Al
> > Franken's word over Geraldo's any day.  Hell, I'd
> > even take Rush Limbaugh's
> > word over Geraldo's.
> >
> > But my real hero these days is Richard
> > Clarke--tellin' it like it is!!!
> > There's no getting around it--the incumbent has to
> > go come November!!!
> >
> > Slim
> >
> >
> > On 3/31/04 6:58 PM, "ed kroposki"
> > <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey mark, check this out in scopes.  It was just
> > sent to me.
> > >
> > > The buildings that AREN'T burning in Iraq
> > >
> > > "They have a saying in the news business," Geraldo
> > Rivera related this
> > > week. "Reporters don't report buildings that don't
> > burn." And with that
> > > introduction, he told a TV audience about the
> > story that is being
> > > systematically denied to our entire nation: the
> > success story of
> > > post-Saddam Iraq.
> > >
> > > Are we losing some soldiers each week? Yes,. Is
> > there some frustration
> > > in the public about electricity and water service?
> > Yes. Are some Saddam
> > > Hussein loyalists throughout the land, making
> > trouble? Yes. Has this
> > > opened a window for some terrorist mischief? Yes.
> > But that's ALL we
> > > hear. No wonder the country is in a mixed mood
> > about Iraq. If you hear
> > > about the buildings that are not burning, though,
> > it is a different
> > > story indeed.
> > >
> > > Rivera is no shill for George W. Bush. But Bush,
> > Condi Rice and Colin
> > > Powell together could not have been as effective
> > as Geraldo was Thursday
> > > night on the Fox News Channel's Hannity and Colmes
> > program.
> > >
> > > "When I got to Baghdad, I barely recognized it,"
> > he began, Comparing his
> > > just-completed trip to two others he made during
> > and just after the
> > > battle to topple Saddam. "You have over 30,000
> > Iraqi cops and militiamen
> > > already on the job.
> > >
> > > This is four months after major fighting stopped.
> > Can you imagine that
> > > kind of gearing up in this country? Law and order
> > is better;
> > > archaeological sites are being preserved;
> > factories, schools are being
> > > guarded." But what about the secondhand griping
> > that the media have been
> > > so efficiently relating about power, water and
> > other infrastructure?
> > >
> > > "To say that Iraq is being rebuilt is not true,"
> > answered Rivera. "Iraq
> > > is being built. There was no infrastructure
> > before; we are doing it. I
> > > just think the good news is being underestimated
> > and underreported." At
> > > this juncture, one must evaluate how to feel about
> > the voices telling us
> > > only about the bad news in Iraq, whether from the
> > mouths of news anchors
> > > or Democratic presidential hopefuls. At best, they
> > are underinformed. At
> > > worst, their one-sided assessments of post-Saddam
> > Iraq are intentional
> > > falsehoods for obvious reasons.
> > >
> > > If I hear one more person mock that "Mission
> > Accomplished" banner
> > > beneath which President Bush thanked a shipload of
> > sailors and Marines a
> > > few months back, I'm going to spit. That was a
> > reference to the ouster
> > > of Saddam's regime, and that mission was indeed
> > accomplished, apparently
> > > to the great chagrin of the American left. No one
> > said what followed
> > > would be easy or cheap, and that's why the
> > dripping-water torture of the
> > > cost and casualty stories is so infuriating.
> > Remember we pay our
> > > soldiers whether they are in Iraq or in Ft Bragg,
> > North Carolina. We
> > > should all mourn the loss of every fallen soldier.
> > But context cries out
> > > to be heard. Our present news media is not
> > performing this task. As some
> > > dare to wonder if this might become a Vietnam-like
> > quagmire, I'll remind
> > > whoever needs it that most of our 58,000 Vietnam
> > war toll died between
> > > 1966 and 1972, during which we lost an average of
> > about 8,000 per year.
> > > That's about 22 per day, every day, for thousands
> > of days on
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Local elections are under way across Iraq, Rivera
> > reported. "Where Kurds
> > > and Arabs have been battling for decades, things
> > have been settling
> > > down. Administrator Paul Bremer is doing a great
> > job." So does Geraldo
> > > think his media colleagues are intentionally
> > painting with one side of
> > > the brush? "I'm not into conspiracy theories, but
> > there's just more bang
> > > for your buck when you report the GI who got
> > killed rather than the 99
> > > who didn't get killed, who make friends, who
> > helped schedule elections,
> > > who helped shops get open for business, who helped
> > traffic flow again.
> > >
> > > "The vast majority of Iraqis are very happy to
> > have us there. I would
> > > like to see a bit more balance." This needs to be
> > reported to the
> > > American Public who are presently being duped. I
> > expect the dominant
> > > media culture to nitpick and attack Bush, and
> > Democrats to blast him
> > > with reckless abandon. But when that leads to the
> > willful exclusion of
> > > facts that would shine truthful light on the great
> > work of the American
> > > armed forces, that level of malice plumbs new
> > depths."
> > >
> > > If you have a friend that is looking for the
> > truth, pass this on.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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