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[Mark Kaynor]

Dang. Just reread what I wrote. Sorry folks. I guess I let him get to me.

Mark

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[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Mark Kaynor
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Steve,

I remember 9/11 - in a pretty personal way, too. Some friends were lost at
the Naval Operations Center at the Pentagon. The team had just relocated to
their new offices. I was doing some work for the Navy at the time and was
asked to compile a list of the relocations since our data was more up to
date than the sources they had available at the time. As much as I am
opposed to war, I was in favor of us going to Afghanistan to try and root
out that evil.

But Iraq is so NOT 9/11.

Nobody ever said we should be "pusses". Not sure how saying "a lot more than
3000 people have died since 9/11" makes me a puss, but I guess that's your
call.

I can see  how you thought what I wrote was funny. Particularly since you
think I'm just a stupid liberal. Thanks for unimaginative, narrow minded,
jingoistic, "balls to the walls" abusive "discussion" and name calling. Kind
of reminds me of some of the other bullies I've known.

Mark



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Mercy Mark.  Do you not remember 9/11!!!!!!!!!!!  You
have to fight to be free.  You can't be a puss &
expect this country to remain free.  Freedom is not
Free!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I am wasting my time - You can take
a mule to water; but you can't make it drink!!!!  I
guess that saying go also that you can show a person
the information - But you can't keep them from being
stupid!!!!!!!!!!!  I bet you were one of those folks
on the playground that ran to the teacher ever time a
bully polk at you or made fun of you.  Mercy, NO bully
ever made fun of me & got away with it.  Do you reallt
think of lieing around with you head in the sand will
make anyone be nice to you.  No one respects a puss.
The seene yesterday is a replay of Blackhaulk Down-
The Terrorists think if they hit us Hard we will puss
out.  We have them by the balls now!!!!  All we have
to do is strick back even harder & the job will be all
but done.  That how you win a war.  The other side
never plays fair.  This country is the only country on
the plantet that plays fair.  We have to hit them hard
now & finish the job and the world will be a better
place for it.

Well, I have said my piece.  It never suprised of some
of the stuff that I read by the Libreal.  Of course
your fellow libreals may like you for it but think
about it; being a puss is still being a puss - how can
you respect yourself in the morning.  At least you
have Bush to thanks for still having the freedom to
voice your opinion.  If we ever lose one of these war;
and a dirty bomb or mini nuke wipe us out by all these
terrorists, what are you going to do them:-) It will
be to late to understand your shortcoming them!!!!!!!
Steve

PS - The below did give me a good laugh:-)

--- Mark Kaynor <mark at kaynor.org> wrote:
> Steve,
>
> "Think about it, if Clinton would have done what
> Bush did, 3,000 people
> would be alive now.  You can't argue with that."
>
> See  http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ - I guess you
> must have meant "American
> people". And who knows what would have happened if
> Clinton had done what
> Bush did? It could have incited even higher levels
> of anti-Americanism and
> more terrorist acts.
>
> And I love this sentiment - "If they act up, well
> stomp on them." I wonder
> why some of them don't like us?
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf
> Of Steve
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:49 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera
> reports
>
>
> Slim
> Let me help you with your answer below.  I know you
> Liberal are out there but you really need to stop
> hating Bush and analyze the facts.
>
> The US needed a contractor, if not Halliburton, then
> WHO?  Halliburton is one of the biggest company in
> the
> world, operating in countries with offices all over
> the world.  The US can't contract with Billy Bob
> Democrate if they are not big enough to handle the
> job.  Halliburton is hugh.  All contractor have
> audit
> problems.  Trust me, I work for the government; all
> contractors get audit findings and when the auditors
> find something; the problem is corected.  Its normal
> whether the contractor is Democrate or Republican.
>
> The US is safer; much safer.  Remember, since 9/11,
> we
> haven't been hit on our own soil.  Yes, thier
> hitting
> us oversea, Irag but thier hitting the military, NOT
> citizens.  We are keeping them pin down over there,
> oversea.  This is the smart things to do.  Remember,
> Clinton had 8 years, they attached the twin towers,
> Our foreign embassies, the USS Cole and all Clinton
> did was lob a few bombs at them.  Think about it, if
> Clinton would have done what Bush did, 3,000 people
> would be alive now.  You can't argue with that.
>
> As for oil prices, This country has plenty of oil.
> If
> democrate would stop fighting and let the US pump
> its
> own oil, then gas would be under a $1 a gallon.  You
> can't blame that on Bush.  Remember, up in Alaski
> where only anamil is a polar bear & nothing else -
> think about it - why don't we pump that out & use
> it.
> Its the Democrate that stop that.  Funny thing is
> that
> the people in Alaski wanted the business up there.
> Go
> figure!!!!!!!!!!
>
> As for US relation, remember we are the lone Super
> Power,  sometimes everbody is not going to like us.
> Do we stop pushing our values, our fight for freedom
> around the world, for rights for Women & children.
> You would think that these are Democrate values.
> Whats up with that?  Besides screw the French &
> Germans, France couldn't wipe its way out of a wet
> paper bag & Germany - well, we have wipe them before
> &
> we can do it again if they don't like what we are
> doing.  That why we keep Militery Bases in Germany &
> Japan.  If they act up, well stomp on them.  You all
> should know this stuff- Remember - Freedom is NOT
> Free!!!!!! And War is ulgy!!!  Its always best to
> fight on some other country soil.
>
> As for the economy, Clinton lived off Reagon & Bush
> Sr. economy policies & cut the CIA, FBI & military
> budgets to make that surplus.  Bush Jr. will fix the
> mess that Clinton made.  YOu should be thanking
> Bush.
> If you analyze economice over the last decade, you
> would know this.  LIke I said, you got to stop
> hating
> Bush and analyze these things.  I don't hate
> Clinton,
> you a good old country boy who liked to party.  He
> party here in Arkansas, raise taxes, grew government
> out of control, our supress court rule that our
> Education system was unconstitutional.  Now you
> would
> think with Clinton saying he was the Education
> President, why did he leave Arkansas in such a mess.
>
> O'well, this is a waste of my time.  Folks you have
> to
> analyze things for what they are, leave personal
> feeling out of it.  Do what best for our country!!!!
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
> > Is Halliburton making a fortune?  Yes!  Has this
> > stabilized the middle east?
> > No!  Has it made the US safer?  No!  Has it had a
> > positive effect on gas
> > prices?  Yes, if you're an oil company.  Has Bush
> > spent his way to the
> > highest deficit in history?  Yes!  Has it led to
> > better US relations with
> > ANY other country in the world?  Yes, if you're
> > Israel.  Has this
> > administration become a Fascist regime?  Yes!
> > (Fascism:  When government is
> > in bed with industry, when civil rights are taken
> > away and the rule is by
> > intimidation, threat and fear.)  Is the war on
> > terrorism best fought in Iraq
> > (no connection to 9/11, but over 150,000 troops)
> or
> > Afghanistan (confirmed
> > connection to 9/11, but only 11,000 troops?) And
> > speaking of connections to
> > 9/11, why do we have this cozy relationship with
> > Saudi Arabia?  Could it
> > be...um...the oil?  Is it not the real Taliban
> > training ground?  Most of the
> > hijackers were Saudis,  Osama's a Saudi.
> Hello????
> > One week after 9/11,
> > anyone with a Saudi passport was allowed into the
> > US.  Egyptian--No!
> > Iranian--No!  Moroccan--No!  French--Kiss My Ass!
> > Oh, but Saudis--no
> > problem.  Bring money!
> >
> > And does all this take Americans' minds off the
> > domestic problems that Bush
> > has worsened?  He wishes!!!
> >
> > So I guess Geraldo didn't see the news today (Wed)
> > from Fallujah, huh?  I'm
> > referring to the nine Americans killed in a raid
> > where Iraqis dragged the
> > burned and mutilated bodies behind cars and hung
> > them up on a bridge.  How's
> > he gonna sugar-coat that one?  Is THAT simply
> > leftist reporting?  A couple
> > weeks ago Peter Jennings from ABC (Steve, some say
> > ABC is too liberal, some
> > say it's not liberal enough--but nobody says it's
> > conservative) was on
> > location in Iraq reporting on the state of affairs
> > one year after the
> > invasion.  There was plenty of positive news, but
> to
> > suggest that the Dems
> > are "nitpicking" for reporting stories like this
> one
> > from Fallujah is
> > absurd.  C' mon!  Consider the source.  Geraldo
> > Rivera???!!!  I'll take Al
> > Franken's word over Geraldo's any day.  Hell, I'd
> > even take Rush Limbaugh's
> > word over Geraldo's.
> >
> > But my real hero these days is Richard
> > Clarke--tellin' it like it is!!!
> > There's no getting around it--the incumbent has to
> > go come November!!!
> >
> > Slim
> >
> >
> > On 3/31/04 6:58 PM, "ed kroposki"
> > <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey mark, check this out in scopes.  It was just
> > sent to me.
> > >
> > > The buildings that AREN'T burning in Iraq
> > >
> > > "They have a saying in the news business,"
> Geraldo
> > Rivera related this
> > > week. "Reporters don't report buildings that
> don't
> > burn." And with that
> > > introduction, he told a TV audience about the
> > story that is being
> > > systematically denied to our entire nation: the
> > success story of
> > > post-Saddam Iraq.
> > >
> > > Are we losing some soldiers each week? Yes,. Is
> > there some frustration
> > > in the public about electricity and water
> service?
> > Yes. Are some Saddam
> > > Hussein loyalists throughout the land, making
> > trouble? Yes. Has this
> > > opened a window for some terrorist mischief?
> Yes.
> > But that's ALL we
> > > hear. No wonder the country is in a mixed mood
> > about Iraq. If you hear
> > > about the buildings that are not burning,
> though,
> > it is a different
> > > story indeed.
> > >
> > > Rivera is no shill for George W. Bush. But Bush,
> > Condi Rice and Colin
> > > Powell together could not have been as effective
> > as Geraldo was Thursday
> > > night on the Fox News Channel's Hannity and
> Colmes
> > program.
> > >
> > > "When I got to Baghdad, I barely recognized it,"
> > he began, Comparing his
> > > just-completed trip to two others he made during
> > and just after the
> > > battle to topple Saddam. "You have over 30,000
> > Iraqi cops and militiamen
> > > already on the job.
> > >
> > > This is four months after major fighting
> stopped.
> > Can you imagine that
> > > kind of gearing up in this country? Law and
> order
> > is better;
> > > archaeological sites are being preserved;
> > factories, schools are being
> > > guarded." But what about the secondhand griping
> > that the media have been
> > > so efficiently relating about power, water and
> > other infrastructure?
> > >
> > > "To say that Iraq is being rebuilt is not true,"
> > answered Rivera. "Iraq
> > > is being built. There was no infrastructure
> > before; we are doing it. I
> > > just think the good news is being underestimated
> > and underreported." At
> > > this juncture, one must evaluate how to feel
> about
> > the voices telling us
> > > only about the bad news in Iraq, whether from
> the
> > mouths of news anchors
> > > or Democratic presidential hopefuls. At best,
> they
> > are underinformed. At
> > > worst, their one-sided assessments of
> post-Saddam
> > Iraq are intentional
> > > falsehoods for obvious reasons.
> > >
> > > If I hear one more person mock that "Mission
> > Accomplished" banner
> > > beneath which President Bush thanked a shipload
> of
> > sailors and Marines a
> > > few months back, I'm going to spit. That was a
> > reference to the ouster
> > > of Saddam's regime, and that mission was indeed
> > accomplished, apparently
> > > to the great chagrin of the American left. No
> one
> > said what followed
> > > would be easy or cheap, and that's why the
> > dripping-water torture of the
> > > cost and casualty stories is so infuriating.
> > Remember we pay our
> > > soldiers whether they are in Iraq or in Ft
> Bragg,
> > North Carolina. We
> > > should all mourn the loss of every fallen
> soldier.
> > But context cries out
> > > to be heard. Our present news media is not
> > performing this task. As some
> > > dare to wonder if this might become a
> Vietnam-like
> > quagmire, I'll remind
> > > whoever needs it that most of our 58,000 Vietnam
> > war toll died between
> > > 1966 and 1972, during which we lost an average
> of
> > about 8,000 per year.
> > > That's about 22 per day, every day, for
> thousands
> > of days on
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Local elections are under way across Iraq,
> Rivera
> > reported. "Where Kurds
> > > and Arabs have been battling for decades, things
> > have been settling
> > > down. Administrator Paul Bremer is doing a great
> > job." So does Geraldo
> > > think his media colleagues are intentionally
> > painting with one side of
> > > the brush? "I'm not into conspiracy theories,
> but
> > there's just more bang
> > > for your buck when you report the GI who got
> > killed rather than the 99
> > > who didn't get killed, who make friends, who
> > helped schedule elections,
> > > who helped shops get open for business, who
> helped
> > traffic flow again.
> > >
> > > "The vast majority of Iraqis are very happy to
> > have us there. I would
> > > like to see a bit more balance." This needs to
> be
> > reported to the
> > > American Public who are presently being duped. I
> > expect the dominant
> > > media culture to nitpick and attack Bush, and
> > Democrats to blast him
> > > with reckless abandon. But when that leads to
> the
> > willful exclusion of
> > > facts that would shine truthful light on the
> great
> > work of the American
> > > armed forces, that level of malice plumbs new
> > depths."
> > >
> > > If you have a friend that is looking for the
> > truth, pass this on.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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