Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera reports
Steve Alm
salm at mn.rr.com
Fri Apr 2 03:27:17 EST 2004
Steve,
What is with you and this welfare thing with liberals? I've heard you say
this before. You're a one-trick-pony! You equate Democrats with welfare
recipients as though all of us on the left are welfare cases, living off
your tax dollars. Get a clue! I'm a self-employed musician, which some may
say is not "real" work, but screw that--I've never asked for a dime from
anybody in my life. I pay higher taxes than you do or any government
employee! Example: I pay BOTH halves of social security--you pay only ONE
half and your employer pays the other half. Don't even talk to me about your
tax burden because mine is greater. As a government employee, I'd say
YOU'RE the one who is "sleeping with the enemy" and costing us hard-working
citizens lots of money. Who pays YOUR salary? ...Me. Send me money and
I'll let you off the hook. 8-)
Slim
On 4/1/04 5:14 PM, "Steve" <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Interesting Bill.
> Yeah, I'm 6'5 175 & pretty much all muscle. Its not
> that, I just don't like being a puss. As far as ideas
> goes, I not seeing any below. Are you afried of
> writting any of your ideas!!! Its like this, if you
> have your hand in the welfare jar; then yes I can see
> why you would want to be a libreal. You wouldn't want
> to lose your free meal. But this country can't aford
> to support all you people on welfare. You all talk
> about the deficit - HAVE you ever seen a democrate
> give up thier welfare check - But I bet that something
> that would get a libreal fighting:-)
>
> How that for new ideas, Bill. I'm just wondering, how
> much welfare are you getting:-)
> Steve
>
> PS - I'm not getting any!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
>> Mark,
>>
>> I kinda liked what you wrote. We don't see it that
>> often coming from this side of the fence.
>>
>> When Steve runs out of ideas he starts attacking
>> people personally. It's not pretty because he runs
>> out of ideas early in the game.
>>
>> With regard to bullying, and standing up to people,
>> Steve often forgets to mention that he's 6' 5" or
>> something like that, and when he pushes in person,
>> people are disinclined to push back. Email levels
>> the playing field, and that is less to his liking.
>>
>> Bill Effros
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Mark Kaynor
>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:56 PM
>> Subject: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list]
>> Politics Geraldo Rivera reports
>>
>>
>> Dang. Just reread what I wrote. Sorry folks. I
>> guess I let him get to me.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
>> Behalf Of Mark Kaynor
>> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:14 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo
>> Rivera reports
>>
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> I remember 9/11 - in a pretty personal way, too.
>> Some friends were lost at
>> the Naval Operations Center at the Pentagon. The
>> team had just relocated to
>> their new offices. I was doing some work for the
>> Navy at the time and was
>> asked to compile a list of the relocations since
>> our data was more up to
>> date than the sources they had available at the
>> time. As much as I am
>> opposed to war, I was in favor of us going to
>> Afghanistan to try and root
>> out that evil.
>>
>> But Iraq is so NOT 9/11.
>>
>> Nobody ever said we should be "pusses". Not sure
>> how saying "a lot more than
>> 3000 people have died since 9/11" makes me a puss,
>> but I guess that's your
>> call.
>>
>> I can see how you thought what I wrote was funny.
>> Particularly since you
>> think I'm just a stupid liberal. Thanks for
>> unimaginative, narrow minded,
>> jingoistic, "balls to the walls" abusive
>> "discussion" and name calling. Kind
>> of reminds me of some of the other bullies I've
>> known.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
>> Behalf Of Steve
>> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:00 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo
>> Rivera reports
>>
>>
>> Mercy Mark. Do you not remember 9/11!!!!!!!!!!!
>> You
>> have to fight to be free. You can't be a puss &
>> expect this country to remain free. Freedom is
>> not
>> Free!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am wasting my time - You can
>> take
>> a mule to water; but you can't make it drink!!!!
>> I
>> guess that saying go also that you can show a
>> person
>> the information - But you can't keep them from
>> being
>> stupid!!!!!!!!!!! I bet you were one of those
>> folks
>> on the playground that ran to the teacher ever
>> time a
>> bully polk at you or made fun of you. Mercy, NO
>> bully
>> ever made fun of me & got away with it. Do you
>> reallt
>> think of lieing around with you head in the sand
>> will
>> make anyone be nice to you. No one respects a
>> puss.
>> The seene yesterday is a replay of Blackhaulk
>> Down-
>> The Terrorists think if they hit us Hard we will
>> puss
>> out. We have them by the balls now!!!! All we
>> have
>> to do is strick back even harder & the job will be
>> all
>> but done. That how you win a war. The other side
>> never plays fair. This country is the only
>> country on
>> the plantet that plays fair. We have to hit them
>> hard
>> now & finish the job and the world will be a
>> better
>> place for it.
>>
>> Well, I have said my piece. It never suprised of
>> some
>> of the stuff that I read by the Libreal. Of
>> course
>> your fellow libreals may like you for it but think
>> about it; being a puss is still being a puss - how
>> can
>> you respect yourself in the morning. At least you
>> have Bush to thanks for still having the freedom
>> to
>> voice your opinion. If we ever lose one of these
>> war;
>> and a dirty bomb or mini nuke wipe us out by all
>> these
>> terrorists, what are you going to do them:-) It
>> will
>> be to late to understand your shortcoming
>> them!!!!!!!
>> Steve
>>
>> PS - The below did give me a good laugh:-)
>>
>> --- Mark Kaynor <mark at kaynor.org> wrote:
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> "Think about it, if Clinton would have done what
>>> Bush did, 3,000 people
>>> would be alive now. You can't argue with that."
>>>
>>> See http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ - I guess you
>>> must have meant "American
>>> people". And who knows what would have happened
>> if
>>> Clinton had done what
>>> Bush did? It could have incited even higher
>> levels
>>> of anti-Americanism and
>>> more terrorist acts.
>>>
>>> And I love this sentiment - "If they act up,
>> well
>>> stomp on them." I wonder
>>> why some of them don't like us?
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
>> Behalf
>>> Of Steve
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:49 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo
>> Rivera
>>> reports
>>>
>>>
>>> Slim
>>> Let me help you with your answer below. I know
>> you
>>> Liberal are out there but you really need to
>> stop
>>> hating Bush and analyze the facts.
>>>
>>> The US needed a contractor, if not Halliburton,
>> then
>>> WHO? Halliburton is one of the biggest company
>> in
>>> the
>>> world, operating in countries with offices all
>> over
>>> the world. The US can't contract with Billy Bob
>>> Democrate if they are not big enough to handle
>> the
>>> job. Halliburton is hugh. All contractor have
>>> audit
>>> problems. Trust me, I work for the government;
>> all
>>> contractors get audit findings and when the
>> auditors
>>> find something; the problem is corected. Its
>> normal
>>> whether the contractor is Democrate or
>> Republican.
>>>
>>> The US is safer; much safer. Remember, since
>> 9/11,
>>> we
>>> haven't been hit on our own soil. Yes, thier
>>> hitting
>>> us oversea, Irag but thier hitting the military,
>> NOT
>>> citizens. We are keeping them pin down over
>> there,
>>> oversea. This is the smart things to do.
>> Remember,
>>> Clinton had 8 years, they attached the twin
>> towers,
>>> Our foreign embassies, the USS Cole and all
>> Clinton
>>> did was lob a few bombs at them. Think about
>> it, if
>>> Clinton would have done what Bush did, 3,000
>> people
>>> would be alive now. You can't argue with that.
>>>
>>> As for oil prices, This country has plenty of
>> oil.
>>> If
>>> democrate would stop fighting and let the US
>> pump
>>> its
>>> own oil, then gas would be under a $1 a gallon.
>> You
>>> can't blame that on Bush. Remember, up in
>> Alaski
>>> where only anamil is a polar bear & nothing else
>> -
>>> think about it - why don't we pump that out &
>> use
>>> it.
>>> Its the Democrate that stop that. Funny thing
>> is
>>> that
>>> the people in Alaski wanted the business up
>> there.
>>> Go
>>> figure!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> As for US relation, remember we are the lone
>> Super
>>> Power, sometimes everbody is not going to like
>> us.
>>> Do we stop pushing our values, our fight for
>> freedom
>>> around the world, for rights for Women &
>> children.
>>> You would think that these are Democrate values.
>>> Whats up with that? Besides screw the French &
>>> Germans, France couldn't wipe its way out of a
>> wet
>>> paper bag & Germany - well, we have wipe them
>> before
>>> &
>>> we can do it again if they don't like what we
>> are
>>> doing. That why we keep Militery Bases in
>> Germany &
>>> Japan. If they act up, well stomp on them. You
>> all
>>> should know this stuff- Remember - Freedom is
>> NOT
>>> Free!!!!!! And War is ulgy!!! Its always best
>> to
>>> fight on some other country soil.
>>>
>>> As for the economy, Clinton lived off Reagon &
>> Bush
>>> Sr. economy policies & cut the CIA, FBI &
>> military
>>> budgets to make that surplus. Bush Jr. will fix
>> the
>>> mess that Clinton made. YOu should be thanking
>>> Bush.
>>> If you analyze economice over the last decade,
>> you
>>> would know this. LIke I said, you got to stop
>>> hating
>>> Bush and analyze these things. I don't hate
>>> Clinton,
>>> you a good old country boy who liked to party.
>> He
>>> party here in Arkansas, raise taxes, grew
>> government
>>> out of control, our supress court rule that our
>>> Education system was unconstitutional. Now you
>>> would
>>> think with Clinton saying he was the Education
>>> President, why did he leave Arkansas in such a
>> mess.
>>>
>>> O'well, this is a waste of my time. Folks you
>> have
>>> to
>>> analyze things for what they are, leave personal
>>> feeling out of it. Do what best for our
>> country!!!!
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> Is Halliburton making a fortune? Yes! Has
>> this
>>>> stabilized the middle east?
>>>> No! Has it made the US safer? No! Has it
>> had a
>>>> positive effect on gas
>>>> prices? Yes, if you're an oil company. Has
>> Bush
>>>> spent his way to the
>>>> highest deficit in history? Yes! Has it led
>> to
>>>> better US relations with
>>>> ANY other country in the world? Yes, if
>> you're
>>>> Israel. Has this
>>>> administration become a Fascist regime? Yes!
>>>> (Fascism: When government is
>>>> in bed with industry, when civil rights are
>> taken
>>>> away and the rule is by
>>>> intimidation, threat and fear.) Is the war on
>>>> terrorism best fought in Iraq
>>>> (no connection to 9/11, but over 150,000
>> troops)
>>> or
>>>> Afghanistan (confirmed
>>>> connection to 9/11, but only 11,000 troops?)
>> And
>>>> speaking of connections to
>>>> 9/11, why do we have this cozy relationship
>> with
>>>> Saudi Arabia? Could it
>>>> be...um...the oil? Is it not the real Taliban
>>>> training ground? Most of the
>>>> hijackers were Saudis, Osama's a Saudi.
>>> Hello????
>>>> One week after 9/11,
>>>> anyone with a Saudi passport was allowed into
>> the
>>>> US. Egyptian--No!
>>>> Iranian--No! Moroccan--No! French--Kiss My
>> Ass!
>>>> Oh, but Saudis--no
>>>> problem. Bring money!
>>>>
>>>> And does all this take Americans' minds off
>> the
>>>> domestic problems that Bush
>>>> has worsened? He wishes!!!
>>>>
>>>> So I guess Geraldo didn't see the news today
>> (Wed)
>>>> from Fallujah, huh? I'm
>>>> referring to the nine Americans killed in a
>> raid
>>>> where Iraqis dragged the
>>>> burned and mutilated bodies behind cars and
>> hung
>>>> them up on a bridge. How's
>>>> he gonna sugar-coat that one? Is THAT simply
>>>> leftist reporting? A couple
>>>> weeks ago Peter Jennings from ABC (Steve, some
>> say
>>>> ABC is too liberal, some
>>>> say it's not liberal enough--but nobody says
>> it's
>>>> conservative) was on
>>>> location in Iraq reporting on the state of
>> affairs
>>>> one year after the
>>>> invasion. There was plenty of positive news,
>> but
>>> to
>>>> suggest that the Dems
>>>> are "nitpicking" for reporting stories like
>> this
>>> one
>>>> from Fallujah is
>>>> absurd. C' mon! Consider the source.
>> Geraldo
>>>> Rivera???!!! I'll take Al
>>>> Franken's word over Geraldo's any day. Hell,
>> I'd
>>>> even take Rush Limbaugh's
>>>> word over Geraldo's.
>>>>
>>>> But my real hero these days is Richard
>>>> Clarke--tellin' it like it is!!!
>>>> There's no getting around it--the incumbent
>> has to
>>>> go come November!!!
>>>>
>>>> Slim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/31/04 6:58 PM, "ed kroposki"
>>>> <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey mark, check this out in scopes. It was
>> just
>>>> sent to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> The buildings that AREN'T burning in Iraq
>>>>>
>>>>> "They have a saying in the news business,"
>>> Geraldo
>>>> Rivera related this
>>>>> week. "Reporters don't report buildings that
>>> don't
>>>> burn." And with that
>>>>> introduction, he told a TV audience about
>> the
>>>> story that is being
>>>>> systematically denied to our entire nation:
>> the
>>>> success story of
>>>>> post-Saddam Iraq.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are we losing some soldiers each week? Yes,.
>> Is
>>>> there some frustration
>>>>> in the public about electricity and water
>>> service?
>>>> Yes. Are some Saddam
>>>>> Hussein loyalists throughout the land,
>> making
>>>> trouble? Yes. Has this
>>>>> opened a window for some terrorist mischief?
>>> Yes.
>>>> But that's ALL we
>>>>> hear. No wonder the country is in a mixed
>> mood
>>>> about Iraq. If you hear
>>>>> about the buildings that are not burning,
>>> though,
>>>> it is a different
>>>>> story indeed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rivera is no shill for George W. Bush. But
>> Bush,
>>>> Condi Rice and Colin
>>>>> Powell together could not have been as
>> effective
>>>> as Geraldo was Thursday
>>>>> night on the Fox News Channel's Hannity and
>>> Colmes
>>>> program.
>>>>>
>>>>> "When I got to Baghdad, I barely recognized
>> it,"
>>>> he began, Comparing his
>>>>> just-completed trip to two others he made
>> during
>>>> and just after the
>>>>> battle to topple Saddam. "You have over
>> 30,000
>>>> Iraqi cops and militiamen
>>>>> already on the job.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is four months after major fighting
>>> stopped.
>>>> Can you imagine that
>>>>> kind of gearing up in this country? Law and
>>> order
>>>> is better;
>>>>> archaeological sites are being preserved;
>>>> factories, schools are being
>>>>> guarded." But what about the secondhand
>> griping
>>>> that the media have been
>>>>> so efficiently relating about power, water
>> and
>>>> other infrastructure?
>>>>>
>>>>> "To say that Iraq is being rebuilt is not
>> true,"
>>>> answered Rivera. "Iraq
>>>>> is being built. There was no infrastructure
>>>> before; we are doing it. I
>>>>> just think the good news is being
>> underestimated
>>>> and underreported." At
>>>>> this juncture, one must evaluate how to feel
>>> about
>>>> the voices telling us
>>>>> only about the bad news in Iraq, whether
>> from
>>> the
>>>> mouths of news anchors
>>>>> or Democratic presidential hopefuls. At
>> best,
>>> they
>>>> are underinformed. At
>>>>> worst, their one-sided assessments of
>>> post-Saddam
>>>> Iraq are intentional
>>>>> falsehoods for obvious reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I hear one more person mock that "Mission
>>>> Accomplished" banner
>>>>> beneath which President Bush thanked a
>> shipload
>>> of
>>>> sailors and Marines a
>>>>> few months back, I'm going to spit. That was
>> a
>>>> reference to the ouster
>>>>> of Saddam's regime, and that mission was
>> indeed
>>>> accomplished, apparently
>>>>> to the great chagrin of the American left.
>> No
>>> one
>>>> said what followed
>>>>> would be easy or cheap, and that's why the
>>>> dripping-water torture of the
>>>>> cost and casualty stories is so infuriating.
>>>> Remember we pay our
>>>>> soldiers whether they are in Iraq or in Ft
>>> Bragg,
>>>> North Carolina. We
>>>>> should all mourn the loss of every fallen
>>> soldier.
>>>> But context cries out
>>>>> to be heard. Our present news media is not
>>>> performing this task. As some
>>>>> dare to wonder if this might become a
>>> Vietnam-like
>>>> quagmire, I'll remind
>>>>> whoever needs it that most of our 58,000
>> Vietnam
>>>> war toll died between
>>>>> 1966 and 1972, during which we lost an
>> average
>>> of
>>>> about 8,000 per year.
>>>>> That's about 22 per day, every day, for
>>> thousands
>>>> of days on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Local elections are under way across Iraq,
>>> Rivera
>>>> reported. "Where Kurds
>>>>> and Arabs have been battling for decades,
>> things
>>>> have been settling
>>>>> down. Administrator Paul Bremer is doing a
>> great
>>>> job." So does Geraldo
>>>>> think his media colleagues are intentionally
>>>> painting with one side of
>>>>> the brush? "I'm not into conspiracy
>> theories,
>>> but
>>>> there's just more bang
>>>>> for your buck when you report the GI who got
>>>> killed rather than the 99
>>>>> who didn't get killed, who make friends, who
>>>> helped schedule elections,
>>>>> who helped shops get open for business, who
>>> helped
>>>> traffic flow again.
>>>>>
>>>>> "The vast majority of Iraqis are very happy
>> to
>>>> have us there. I would
>>>>> like to see a bit more balance." This needs
>> to
>>> be
>>>> reported to the
>>>>> American Public who are presently being
>> duped. I
>>>> expect the dominant
>>>>> media culture to nitpick and attack Bush,
>> and
>>>> Democrats to blast him
>>>>> with reckless abandon. But when that leads
>> to
>>> the
>>>> willful exclusion of
>>>>> facts that would shine truthful light on the
>>> great
>>>> work of the American
>>>>> armed forces, that level of malice plumbs
>> new
>>>> depths."
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have a friend that is looking for the
>>>> truth, pass this on.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
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