Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera reports
Mark Kaynor
mark at kaynor.org
Fri Apr 2 09:58:11 EST 2004
Speaking of verity, I found Molly Ivins book "Bushwhacked" to be a pretty
good and somewhat enlightening read. Here's an interview:
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17031
-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:39 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
Subject: Re: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics Geraldo Rivera
reports
Wally, I'm an analyst, get real. Do some research-
improve yourself. Stop listening to the liberal
networks & get some verity in your life.
Steve
--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Your mind is so closed that it would take a two by
> four across the head to
> pry open. :-)
>
> Wally
>
>
> >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >Subject: Re: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list]
> Politics Geraldo Rivera
> >reports
> >Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 06:22:27 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Wally
> >Kerry was getting paid to do his job in Viet Nam.
> >When you are a solider; that what you are suppose
> to
> >do. YOu get a paycheck for doing it.
> >
> >The big problem with Kerry; all those things he
> came
> >back here is protested, HE DID NOTHING ABOUT THEM
> >WHILE HE WAS IN THE SERVICE. So you see, he is
> really
> >kind of a coward since he didn't want to protest
> where
> >he could have done something about it. He should
> have
> >try to do something while he was in the service.
> The
> >man is a coward & not a pariotic US citizan to come
> >back from the war & protest with Hano Jane while
> all
> >the guy that were still duying in the war couldn't
> >come back & hook up with some rich women that would
> >support him.
> >Steve
> >
> >
> >--- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > So are you saying that kerry did not go to Viet
> Nam?
> > > Steve you may have the
> > > media scoop of the century! On the other hand
> you
> > > may just be full of
> > > it......what does your babble have to do with
> Iraq?
> > > It appears you have ADD.
> > >
> > > Wally
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >Subject: Re: Apology - was RE: [Rhodes22-list]
> > > Politics Geraldo Rivera
> > > >reports
> > > >Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 05:53:09 -0800 (PST)
> > > >
> > > >Slim
> > > >If you had a clue of what you were talking
> about;
> > > you
> > > >wouldn't be a liberal. Its call the free
> market
> > > >system. You can't keep taking from Business &
> > > giving
> > > >to folks that won't help themself. The only
> time I
> > > >have ever seen a liberal willing to fight is
> when
> > > >someone wants to lower or take away thier
> welfare
> > > >check. If someone want to get rich, get a job
> &
> > > work
> > > >for it; & get off welfare!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > >Steve
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > > Steve,
> > > > >
> > > > > What is with you and this welfare thing with
> > > > > liberals? I've heard you say
> > > > > this before. You're a one-trick-pony! You
> > > equate
> > > > > Democrats with welfare
> > > > > recipients as though all of us on the left
> are
> > > > > welfare cases, living off
> > > > > your tax dollars. Get a clue! I'm a
> > > self-employed
> > > > > musician, which some may
> > > > > say is not "real" work, but screw that--I've
> > > never
> > > > > asked for a dime from
> > > > > anybody in my life. I pay higher taxes than
> you
> > > do
> > > > > or any government
> > > > > employee! Example: I pay BOTH halves of
> social
> > > > > security--you pay only ONE
> > > > > half and your employer pays the other half.
> > > Don't
> > > > > even talk to me about your
> > > > > tax burden because mine is greater. As a
> > > government
> > > > > employee, I'd say
> > > > > YOU'RE the one who is "sleeping with the
> enemy"
> > > and
> > > > > costing us hard-working
> > > > > citizens lots of money. Who pays YOUR
> salary?
> > > > > ...Me. Send me money and
> > > > > I'll let you off the hook. 8-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Slim
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/1/04 5:14 PM, "Steve"
> > > <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Interesting Bill.
> > > > > > Yeah, I'm 6'5 175 & pretty much all
> muscle.
> > > Its
> > > > > not
> > > > > > that, I just don't like being a puss. As
> far
> > > as
> > > > > ideas
> > > > > > goes, I not seeing any below. Are you
> afried
> > > of
> > > > > > writting any of your ideas!!! Its like
> this,
> > > if
> > > > > you
> > > > > > have your hand in the welfare jar; then
> yes I
> > > can
> > > > > see
> > > > > > why you would want to be a libreal. You
> > > wouldn't
> > > > > want
> > > > > > to lose your free meal. But this country
> > > can't
> > > > > aford
> > > > > > to support all you people on welfare. You
> all
> > > > > talk
> > > > > > about the deficit - HAVE you ever seen a
> > > democrate
> > > > > > give up thier welfare check - But I bet
> that
> > > > > something
> > > > > > that would get a libreal fighting:-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How that for new ideas, Bill. I'm just
> > > wondering,
> > > > > how
> > > > > > much welfare are you getting:-)
> > > > > > Steve
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PS - I'm not getting any!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> Mark,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I kinda liked what you wrote. We don't
> see
> > > it
> > > > > that
> > > > > >> often coming from this side of the fence.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> When Steve runs out of ideas he starts
> > > attacking
> > > > > >> people personally. It's not pretty
> because
> > > he
> > > > > runs
> > > > > >> out of ideas early in the game.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> With regard to bullying, and standing up
> to
> > > > > people,
> > > > > >> Steve often forgets to mention that he's
> 6'
> > > 5" or
> > > > > >> something like that, and when he pushes
> in
> > > > > person,
> > > > > >> people are disinclined to push back.
> Email
> > > > > levels
> > > > > >> the playing field, and that is less to
> his
> > > > > liking.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Bill Effros
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >> From: Mark Kaynor
> > > > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:56 PM
> > > > > >> Subject: Apology - was RE:
> [Rhodes22-list]
> > > > > >> Politics Geraldo Rivera reports
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Dang. Just reread what I wrote. Sorry
> > > folks. I
> > > > > >> guess I let him get to me.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Mark
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >> From:
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > > > >>
> > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
> > > > > >> Behalf Of Mark Kaynor
> > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:14 PM
> > > > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > > >> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics
> > > Geraldo
> > > > > >> Rivera reports
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Steve,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I remember 9/11 - in a pretty personal
> way,
> > > > > too.
> > > > > >> Some friends were lost at
> > > > > >> the Naval Operations Center at the
> > > Pentagon.
> > > > > The
> > > > > >> team had just relocated to
> > > > > >> their new offices. I was doing some
> work
> > > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > >> Navy at the time and was
> > > > > >> asked to compile a list of the
> relocations
> > > > > since
> > > > > >> our data was more up to
> > > > > >> date than the sources they had
> available at
> > > the
> > > > > >> time. As much as I am
> > > > > >> opposed to war, I was in favor of us
> going
> > > to
> > > > > >> Afghanistan to try and root
> > > > > >> out that evil.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> But Iraq is so NOT 9/11.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Nobody ever said we should be "pusses".
> Not
> > > > > sure
> > > > > >> how saying "a lot more than
> > > > > >> 3000 people have died since 9/11" makes
> me
> > > a
> > > > > puss,
> > > > > >> but I guess that's your
> > > > > >> call.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I can see how you thought what I wrote
> was
> > > > > funny.
> > > > > >> Particularly since you
> > > > > >> think I'm just a stupid liberal. Thanks
> for
> > > > > >> unimaginative, narrow minded,
> > > > > >> jingoistic, "balls to the walls"
> abusive
> > > > > >> "discussion" and name calling. Kind
> > > > > >> of reminds me of some of the other
> bullies
> > > I've
> > > > > >> known.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Mark
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >> From:
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > > > >>
> > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
> > > > > >> Behalf Of Steve
> > > > > >> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:00 PM
> > > > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > > >> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Politics
> > > Geraldo
> > > > > >> Rivera reports
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Mercy Mark. Do you not remember
> > > > > 9/11!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > > > >> You
> > > > > >> have to fight to be free. You can't be
> a
> > > puss
> > > > > &
> > > > > >> expect this country to remain free.
> > > Freedom is
> > > > > >> not
> > > > > >> Free!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am wasting my time
> -
> > > You
> > > > > can
> > > > > >> take
> > > > > >> a mule to water; but you can't make it
> > > > > drink!!!!
> > > > > >> I
> > > > > >> guess that saying go also that you can
> show
> > > a
> > > > > >> person
> > > > > >> the information - But you can't keep
> them
> > > from
> > > > > >> being
> > > > > >> stupid!!!!!!!!!!! I bet you were one
> of
> > > those
> > > > > >> folks
> > > > > >> on the playground that ran to the
> teacher
> > > ever
> > > > > >> time a
> > > > > >> bully polk at you or made fun of you.
> > > Mercy,
> > > > > NO
> > > > > >> bully
> > > > > >> ever made fun of me & got away with it.
> Do
> > > you
> > > > > >> reallt
> > > > > >> think of lieing around with you head in
> the
> > > > > sand
> > > > > >> will
> > > > > >> make anyone be nice to you. No one
> > > respects a
> > > > > >> puss.
> > > > > >> The seene yesterday is a replay of
> > > Blackhaulk
> > > > > >> Down-
> > > > > >> The Terrorists think if they hit us
> Hard we
> > > > > will
> > > > > >> puss
> > > > > >> out. We have them by the balls now!!!!
> > > All we
> > > > > >> have
> > > > > >> to do is strick back even harder & the
> job
> > > will
> > > > > be
> > > > > >> all
> > > > > >> but done. That how you win a war. The
> > > other
> > > > > side
> > > > > >> never plays fair. This country is the
> only
> > > > > >> country on
> > > > > >> the plantet that plays fair. We have
> to
> > > hit
> > > > > them
> > > > > >> hard
> > > > > >> now & finish the job and the world will
> be
> > > a
> > > > > >> better
> > > > > >> place for it.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Well, I have said my piece. It never
> > > suprised
> > > > > of
> > > > > >> some
> > > > > >> of the stuff that I read by the
> Libreal.
> > > Of
> > > > > >> course
> > > > > >> your fellow libreals may like you for
> it
> > > but
> > > > > think
> > > > > >> about it; being a puss is still being a
> > > puss -
> > > > > how
> > > > > >> can
> > > > > >> you respect yourself in the morning.
> At
> > > least
> > > > > you
> > > > > >> have Bush to thanks for still having
> the
> > > > > freedom
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >> voice your opinion. If we ever lose
> one of
> > > > > these
> > > > > >> war;
> > > > > >> and a dirty bomb or mini nuke wipe us
> out
> > > by
> > > > > all
> > > > > >> these
> > > > > >> terrorists, what are you going to do
> > > them:-) It
> > > > > >> will
> > > > > >> be to late to understand your
> shortcoming
> > > > > >> them!!!!!!!
> > > > > >> Steve
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> PS - The below did give me a good
> laugh:-)
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --- Mark Kaynor <mark at kaynor.org>
> wrote:
> > > > > >>> Steve,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> "Think about it, if Clinton would have
> done
> > > what
> > > > > >>> Bush did, 3,000 people
> > > > > >>> would be alive now. You can't argue
> with
> > > that."
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> See http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ - I
> guess
> > > you
> > > > > >>> must have meant "American
> > > > > >>> people". And who knows what would have
> > > happened
> > > > > >> if
> > > > > >>> Clinton had done what
> > > > > >>> Bush did? It could have incited even
> higher
> > > > > >> levels
> > > > > >>> of anti-Americanism and
> > > > > >>> more terrorist acts.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> And I love this sentiment - "If they act
> up,
> > > > > >> well
> > > > > >>> stomp on them." I wonder
> > > > > >>> why some of them don't like us?
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Mark
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> > > > > >>>
> > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
> > > > > >> Behalf
> > > > > >>> Of Steve
> > > > > >>> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:49 AM
> > > > > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > > > > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Politics
> > > Geraldo
> > > > > >> Rivera
> > > > > >>> reports
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Slim
> > > > > >>> Let me help you with your answer below.
> I
> > > know
> > > > > >> you
> > > > > >>> Liberal are out there but you really
> need to
> > > > > >> stop
> > > > > >>> hating Bush and analyze the facts.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> The US needed a contractor, if not
> > > Halliburton,
> > > > > >> then
> > > > > >>> WHO? Halliburton is one of the biggest
> > > company
> > > > > >> in
> > > > > >>> the
> > > > > >>> world, operating in countries with
> offices
> > > all
> > > > > >> over
> > > > > >>> the world. The US can't contract with
> Billy
> > > Bob
> > > > > >>> Democrate if they are not big enough to
> > > handle
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >>> job. Halliburton is hugh. All
> contractor
> > > have
> > > > > >>> audit
> > > > > >>> problems. Trust me, I work for the
> > > government;
> > > > > >> all
> > > > > >>> contractors get audit findings and when
> the
> > > > > >> auditors
> > > > > >>> find something; the problem is corected.
> > > Its
> > > > > >> normal
> > > > > >>> whether the contractor is Democrate or
> > > > > >> Republican.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> The US is safer; much safer. Remember,
> > > since
> > > > > >> 9/11,
> > > > > >>> we
> > > > > >>> haven't been hit on our own soil. Yes,
> > > thier
> > > > > >>> hitting
> > > > > >>> us oversea, Irag but thier hitting the
> > > military,
> > > > > >> NOT
> > > > > >>> citizens. We are keeping them pin down
> over
> > > > > >> there,
> > > > > >>> oversea. This is the smart things to
> do.
> > > > > >> Remember,
> > > > > >>> Clinton had 8 years, they attached the
> twin
> > > > > >> towers,
> > > > > >>> Our foreign embassies, the USS Cole and
> all
> > > > > >> Clinton
> > > > > >>> did was lob a few bombs at them. Think
> > > about
> > > > > >> it, if
> > > > > >>> Clinton would have done what Bush did,
> 3,000
> > > > > >> people
> > > > > >>> would be alive now. You can't argue
> with
> > > that.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> As for oil prices, This country has
> plenty
> > > of
> > > > > >> oil.
> > > > > >>> If
> > > > > >>> democrate would stop fighting and let
> the US
> > > > > >> pump
> > > > > >>> its
> > > > > >>> own oil, then gas would be under a $1 a
> > > gallon.
> > > > > >> You
> > > > > >>> can't blame that on Bush. Remember, up
> in
> > > > > >> Alaski
> > > > > >>> where only anamil is a polar bear &
> nothing
> > > else
> > > > > >> -
> > > > > >>> think about it - why don't we pump that
> out
> > > &
> > > > > >> use
> > > > > >>> it.
> > > > > >>> Its the Democrate that stop that. Funny
> > > thing
> > > > > >> is
> > > > > >>> that
> > > > > >>> the people in Alaski wanted the business
> up
> > > > > >> there.
> > > > > >>> Go
> > > > > >>> figure!!!!!!!!!!
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> As for US relation, remember we are the
> lone
> > > > > >> Super
> > > > > >>> Power, sometimes everbody is not going
> to
> > > like
> > > > > >> us.
> > > > > >>> Do we stop pushing our values, our fight
> for
> > > > > >> freedom
> > > > > >>> around the world, for rights for Women &
> > > > > >> children.
> > > > > >>> You would think that these are Democrate
> > > values.
> > > > > >>> Whats up with that? Besides screw the
> > > French &
> > > > > >>> Germans, France couldn't wipe its way
> out of
> > > a
> > > > > >> wet
> > > > > >>> paper bag & Germany - well, we have wipe
> > > them
> > > > > >> before
> > > > > >>> &
> > > > > >>> we can do it again if they don't like
> what
> > > we
> > > > > >> are
> > > > > >>> doing. That why we keep Militery Bases
> in
> > > > > >> Germany &
> > > > > >>> Japan. If they act up, well stomp on
> them.
> > > You
> > > > > >> all
> > > > > >>> should know this stuff- Remember -
> Freedom
> > > is
> > > > > >> NOT
> > > > > >>> Free!!!!!! And War is ulgy!!! Its
> always
> > > best
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >>> fight on some other country soil.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> As for the economy, Clinton lived off
> Reagon
> > > &
> > > > > >> Bush
> > > > > >>> Sr. economy policies & cut the CIA, FBI
> &
> > > > > >> military
> > > > > >>> budgets to make that surplus. Bush Jr.
> will
> > > fix
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >>> mess that Clinton made. YOu should be
> > > thanking
> > > > > >>> Bush.
> > > > > >>> If you analyze economice over the last
> > > decade,
> > > > > >> you
> > > > > >>> would know this. LIke I said, you got
> to
> > > stop
> > > > > >>> hating
> > > > > >>> Bush and analyze these things. I don't
> hate
> > > > > >>> Clinton,
> > > > > >>> you a good old country boy who liked to
> > > party.
> > > > > >> He
> > > > > >>> party here in Arkansas, raise taxes,
> grew
> > > > > >> government
> > > > > >>> out of control, our supress court rule
> that
> > > our
> > > > > >>> Education system was unconstitutional.
> Now
> > > you
> > > > > >>> would
> > > > > >>> think with Clinton saying he was the
> > > Education
> > > > > >>> President, why did he leave Arkansas in
> such
> > > a
> > > > > >> mess.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> O'well, this is a waste of my time.
> Folks
> > > you
> > > > > >> have
> > > > > >>> to
> > > > > >>> analyze things for what they are, leave
> > > personal
> > > > > >>> feeling out of it. Do what best for our
> > > > > >> country!!!!
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Steve
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > > >>>> Is Halliburton making a fortune? Yes!
> Has
> > > > > >> this
> > > > > >>>> stabilized the middle east?
> > > > > >>>> No! Has it made the US safer? No!
> Has it
> > > > > >> had a
> > > > > >>>> positive effect on gas
> > > > > >>>> prices? Yes, if you're an oil company.
> > > Has
> > > > > >> Bush
> > > > > >>>> spent his way to the
> > > > > >>>> highest deficit in history? Yes! Has
> it
> > > led
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >>>> better US relations with
> > > > > >>>> ANY other country in the world? Yes,
> if
> > > > > >> you're
> > > > > >>>> Israel. Has this
> > > > > >>>> administration become a Fascist regime?
> > > Yes!
> > > > > >>>> (Fascism: When government is
> > > > > >>>> in bed with industry, when civil rights
> are
> > > > > >> taken
> > > > > >>>> away and the rule is by
> > > > > >>>> intimidation, threat and fear.) Is the
> war
> > > on
> > > > > >>>> terrorism best fought in Iraq
> > > > > >>>> (no connection to 9/11, but over
> 150,000
> > > > > >> troops)
> > > > > >>> or
> > > > > >>>> Afghanistan (confirmed
> > > > > >>>> connection to 9/11, but only 11,000
> > > troops?)
> > > > > >> And
> > > > > >>>> speaking of connections to
> > > > > >>>> 9/11, why do we have this cozy
> relationship
> > > > > >> with
> > > > > >>>> Saudi Arabia? Could it
> > > > > >>>> be...um...the oil? Is it not the real
> > > Taliban
> > > > > >>>> training ground? Most of the
> > > > > >>>> hijackers were Saudis, Osama's a
> Saudi.
> > > > > >>> Hello????
> > > > > >>>> One week after 9/11,
> > > > > >>>> anyone with a Saudi passport was
> allowed
> > > into
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >>>> US. Egyptian--No!
> > > > > >>>> Iranian--No! Moroccan--No!
> French--Kiss
> > > My
> > > > > >> Ass!
> > > > > >>>> Oh, but Saudis--no
> > > > > >>>> problem. Bring money!
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> And does all this take Americans' minds
> off
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >>>> domestic problems that Bush
> > > > > >>>> has worsened? He wishes!!!
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> So I guess Geraldo didn't see the news
> > > today
> > > > > >> (Wed)
> > > > > >>>> from Fallujah, huh? I'm
> > > > > >>>> referring to the nine Americans killed
> in a
> > > > > >> raid
> > > > > >>>> where Iraqis dragged the
> > > > > >>>> burned and mutilated bodies behind cars
> and
> > > > > >> hung
> > > > > >>>> them up on a bridge. How's
> > > > > >>>> he gonna sugar-coat that one? Is THAT
> > > simply
> > > > > >>>> leftist reporting? A couple
> > > > > >>>> weeks ago Peter Jennings from ABC
> (Steve,
> > > some
> > > > > >> say
> > > > > >>>> ABC is too liberal, some
> > > > > >>>> say it's not liberal enough--but nobody
> > > says
> > > > > >> it's
> > > > > >>>> conservative) was on
> > > > > >>>> location in Iraq reporting on the state
> of
> > > > > >> affairs
> > > > > >>>> one year after the
> > > > > >>>> invasion. There was plenty of positive
> > > news,
> > > > > >> but
> > > > > >>> to
> > > > > >>>> suggest that the Dems
> > > > > >>>> are "nitpicking" for reporting stories
> like
> > > > > >> this
> > > > > >>> one
> > > > > >>>> from Fallujah is
> > > > > >>>> absurd. C' mon! Consider the source.
> > > > > >> Geraldo
> > > > > >>>> Rivera???!!! I'll take Al
> > > > > >>>> Franken's word over Geraldo's any day.
> > > Hell,
> > > > > >> I'd
> > > > > >>>> even take Rush Limbaugh's
> > > > > >>>> word over Geraldo's.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> But my real hero these days is Richard
> > > > > >>>> Clarke--tellin' it like it is!!!
> > > > > >>>> There's no getting around it--the
> incumbent
> > > > > >> has to
> > > > > >>>> go come November!!!
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Slim
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> On 3/31/04 6:58 PM, "ed kroposki"
> > > > > >>>> <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Hey mark, check this out in scopes.
> It
> > > was
> > > > > >> just
> > > > > >>>> sent to me.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> The buildings that AREN'T burning in
> Iraq
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> "They have a saying in the news
> business,"
> > > > > >>> Geraldo
> > > > > >>>> Rivera related this
> > > > > >>>>> week. "Reporters don't report
> buildings
> > > that
> > > > > >>> don't
> > > > > >>>> burn." And with that
> > > > > >>>>> introduction, he told a TV audience
> about
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >>>> story that is being
> > > > > >>>>> systematically denied to our entire
> > > nation:
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >>>> success story of
> > > > > >>>>> post-Saddam Iraq.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Are we losing some soldiers each week?
> > > Yes,.
> > > > > >> Is
> > > > > >>>> there some frustration
> > > > > >>>>> in the public about electricity and
> water
> > > > > >>> service?
> > > > > >>>> Yes. Are some Saddam
> > > > > >>>>> Hussein loyalists throughout the land,
> > > > > >> making
> > > > > >>>> trouble? Yes. Has this
> > > > > >>>>> opened a window for some terrorist
> > > mischief?
> > > > > >>> Yes.
> > > > > >>>> But that's ALL we
> > > > > >>>>> hear. No wonder the country is in a
> mixed
> > > > > >> mood
> > > > > >>>> about Iraq. If you hear
> > > > > >>>>> about the buildings that are not
> burning,
> > > > > >>> though,
> > > > > >>>> it is a different
> > > > > >>>>> story indeed.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Rivera is no shill for George W. Bush.
> But
> > > > > >> Bush,
> > > > > >>>> Condi Rice and Colin
> > > > > >>>>> Powell together could not have been as
> > > > > >> effective
> > > > > >>>> as Geraldo was Thursday
> > > > > >>>>> night on the Fox News Channel's
> Hannity
> > > and
> > > > > >>> Colmes
> > > > > >>>> program.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> "When I got to Baghdad, I barely
> > > recognized
> > > > > >> it,"
> > > > > >>>> he began, Comparing his
> > > > > >>>>> just-completed trip to two others he
> made
> > > > > >> during
> > > > > >>>> and just after the
> > > > > >>>>> battle to topple Saddam. "You have
> over
> > > > > >> 30,000
> > > > > >>>> Iraqi cops and militiamen
> > > > > >>>>> already on the job.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> This is four months after major
> fighting
> > > > > >>> stopped.
> > > > > >>>> Can you imagine that
> > > > > >>>>> kind of gearing up in this country?
> Law
> > > and
> > > > > >>> order
> > > > > >>>> is better;
> > > > > >>>>> archaeological sites are being
> preserved;
> > > > > >>>> factories, schools are being
> > > > > >>>>> guarded." But what about the
> secondhand
> > > > > >> griping
> > > > > >>>> that the media have been
> > > > > >>>>> so efficiently relating about power,
> water
> > > > > >> and
> > > > > >>>> other infrastructure?
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> "To say that Iraq is being rebuilt is
> not
> > > > > >> true,"
> > > > > >>>> answered Rivera. "Iraq
> > > > > >>>>> is being built. There was no
> > > infrastructure
> > > > > >>>> before; we are doing it. I
> > > > > >>>>> just think the good news is being
> > > > > >> underestimated
> > > > > >>>> and underreported." At
> > > > > >>>>> this juncture, one must evaluate how
> to
> > > feel
> > > > > >>> about
> > > > > >>>> the voices telling us
> > > > > >>>>> only about the bad news in Iraq,
> whether
> > > > > >> from
> > > > > >>> the
> > > > > >>>> mouths of news anchors
> > > > > >>>>> or Democratic presidential hopefuls.
> At
> > > > > >> best,
> > > > > >>> they
> > > > > >>>> are underinformed. At
> > > > > >>>>> worst, their one-sided assessments of
> > > > > >>> post-Saddam
> > > > > >>>> Iraq are intentional
> > > > > >>>>> falsehoods for obvious reasons.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> If I hear one more person mock that
> > > "Mission
> > > > > >>>> Accomplished" banner
> > > > > >>>>> beneath which President Bush thanked a
> > > > > >> shipload
> > > > > >>> of
> > > > > >>>> sailors and Marines a
> > > > > >>>>> few months back, I'm going to spit.
> That
> > > was
> > > > > >> a
> > > > > >>>> reference to the ouster
> > > > > >>>>> of Saddam's regime, and that mission
> was
> > > > > >> indeed
> > > > > >>>> accomplished, apparently
> > > > > >>>>> to the great chagrin of the American
> left.
> > > > > >> No
> > > > > >>> one
> > > > > >>>> said what followed
> > > > > >>>>> would be easy or cheap, and that's why
> the
> > > > > >>>> dripping-water torture of the
> > > > > >>>>> cost and casualty stories is so
> > > infuriating.
> > > > > >>>> Remember we pay our
> > > > > >>>>> soldiers whether they are in Iraq or
> in Ft
> > > > > >>> Bragg,
> > > > > >>>> North Carolina. We
> > > > > >>>>> should all mourn the loss of every
> fallen
> > > > > >>> soldier.
> > > > > >>>> But context cries out
> > > > > >>>>> to be heard. Our present news media is
> not
> > > > > >>>> performing this task. As some
> > > > > >>>>> dare to wonder if this might become a
> > > > > >>> Vietnam-like
> > > > > >>>> quagmire, I'll remind
> > > > > >>>>> whoever needs it that most of our
> 58,000
> > > > > >> Vietnam
> > > > > >>>> war toll died between
> > > > > >>>>> 1966 and 1972, during which we lost an
> > > > > >> average
> > > > > >>> of
> > > > > >>>> about 8,000 per year.
> > > > > >>>>> That's about 22 per day, every day,
> for
> > > > > >>> thousands
> > > > > >>>> of days on
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Local elections are under way across
> Iraq,
> > > > > >>> Rivera
> > > > > >>>> reported. "Where Kurds
> > > > > >>>>> and Arabs have been battling for
> decades,
> > > > > >> things
> > > > > >>>> have been settling
> > > > > >>>>> down. Administrator Paul Bremer is
> doing a
> > > > > >> great
> > > > > >>>> job." So does Geraldo
> > > > > >>>>> think his media colleagues are
> > > intentionally
> > > > > >>>> painting with one side of
> > > > > >>>>> the brush? "I'm not into conspiracy
> > > > > >> theories,
> > > > > >>> but
> > > > > >>>> there's just more bang
> > > > > >>>>> for your buck when you report the GI
> who
> > > got
> > > > > >>>> killed rather than the 99
> > > > > >>>>> who didn't get killed, who make
> friends,
> > > who
> > > > > >>>> helped schedule elections,
> > > > > >>>>> who helped shops get open for
> business,
> > > who
> > > > > >>> helped
> > > > > >>>> traffic flow again.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> "The vast majority of Iraqis are very
> > > happy
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >>>> have us there. I would
> > > > > >>>>> like to see a bit more balance." This
> > > needs
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >>> be
> > > > > >>>> reported to the
> > > > > >>>>> American Public who are presently
> being
> > > > > >> duped. I
> > > > > >>>> expect the dominant
> > > > > >>>>> media culture to nitpick and attack
> Bush,
> > > > > >> and
> > > > > >>>> Democrats to blast him
> > > > > >>>>> with reckless abandon. But when that
> leads
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >>> the
> > > > > >>>> willful exclusion of
> > > > > >>>>> facts that would shine truthful light
> on
> > > the
> > > > > >>> great
> > > > > >>>> work of the American
> > > > > >>>>> armed forces, that level of malice
> plumbs
> > > > > >> new
> > > > > >>>> depths."
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> If you have a friend that is looking
> for
> > > the
> > > > > >>>> truth, pass this on.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
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