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[Rik Sandberg]

Slim,

What I meant by that post, was, most of us start out poor. That's the way it 
is. how can one expect not to be poor when he hasn't done anything yet. It 
doesn't hurt young folks a bit to start out a bit short of money. It teaches 
them that it mostly doesn't come easy and they are less likely to blow it 
when they finally do start making some money. Nothing wrong with that, 
they're young, they can take it. BUT, if one has some ambition and a bit of 
good sense, he won't be poor for long. People who remain poor for a long time 
lack one, the other, or both.

Yeah, raw talent is a good thing :-) lol

Damn near made it down your way (Mall of America) back in February. Ended up 
getting waylaid somewhere else. One of these days though, I'll probably drag 
the little boat down to Minnetonka and we can go for a sail. Have to use your 
barbeque though, cause I don't have one on the little boat :-) I'll bring the 
beer....what kind? Is the ice out down there yet? When you puttin' your boat 
in??

Rik


On Mon, Apr 05 2004 09:25 pm, Steve Alm wrote:
> Rik,
> Exactly!  You made my point for me.  You yourself have been poor but are
> neither lazy nor stupid.  I'll remind you what you said:  Most poor folks
> are that way because they either have little ambition, make
>
> >>> bad choices, or both.
>
> I never said it was easy--where did you read that?  I just said that being
> poor doesn't mean you're lazy or stupid.  You, yourself are a good example
> of how your statement is false.
>
> I, on the other hand, am both lazy AND stupid and am NOT poor.  Another
> example of how your statement just doesn't hold up.   8-)   Luckily, I have
> something we haven't discussed--raw talent.  8-)  8-)  When are you and
> Sandy gonna come down and see me so I can prove it?  8-)  8-)  8-)
>
> Slim
>
> On 4/5/04 4:02 PM, "Rik Sandberg" <sanderico at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Slim,
> >
> > No....I think I said that.
> >
> > Sorry, but I spent my time as poor folk too, working my way up from the
> > bottom of the ladder. Nobody (at least very few) get to start from the
> > top. We worked our way out of being broke by working however many jobs it
> > took, day, night, weekends, whatever. Many's the time 80 hours would have
> > been a short week for both of us. Still is, many weeks in the summertime,
> > even yet. Where is it written that we are all supposed to be prosperous,
> > just because we work 40 hours a week. In my case it took a heck of a lot
> > more than that. No Slim, it really doesn't take more than ambition and
> > half a lick of good sense to succeed. I don't consider the guy that is
> > only willing to work 40 hours a week, even if that isn't enough to keep
> > him in sno-mobiles and fishing boats, particularly ambitious.
> >
> > One has to do what it takes, nobody (surely not me) was ever told it
> > would be easy.
> >
> > Rik
> >
> > At 03:13 PM 4/5/2004, you wrote:
> >> On 4/5/04 12:55 PM, "Rik Sandberg" <sanderico at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>> Most poor folks are that way because they either have little ambition,
> >>> make bad choices, ot both.
> >>
> >> Didn't Archie Bunker say that?  Most of the poor I see are "working
> >> poor" who hold min. wage jobs bustin' their butts because that's all
> >> that's available.  Or they're young people right out of college--neither
> >> lazy nor stupid--who borrowed money for tuition and now looking for work
> >> and can't find it.  And they have this giant debt over their heads and
> >> they're gonna be poor for a long time.  Or they're immigrants who are
> >> just learning how to be Americans.  They're trying to better themselves,
> >> learn English, etc., but it's a long, hard road to success.  Or they're
> >> small business owners who work 80 hour weeks to pour every dollar back
> >> into their biz just to keep it up and running, and have nothing left
> >> over for health ins, for example.  I know there's no shortage of lazy,
> >> stupid people on the dole, but to characterize "most poor folks" that
> >> way is wrong.  It takes more than ambition and good choices to succeed. 
> >> Dare I say, this is especially true if you're non-white.
> >> Slim
> >>
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