[Rhodes22-list] Steve attention Steve

[Steve]

:-) I hear you, Ed.
Steve


--- ed kroposki <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
> Steve,
> 	Relax; come down; go in the back yard and yell as
> loud as you can;
> but there is no point in replying.  I repeat, go for
> a walk. I will meet you
> in the middle.
>                     Ed K  
>                                               
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of Bill Effros
> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 1:05 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]Wally's political reply
> 
> Not so, Ed.
> 
> I don't have time for a point by point rebuttal, but
> the heart of your
> argument seems to be that the underlying problem is
> that facts known to the
> intelligence community were somehow withheld from
> the President in a way he
> could not have known.
> 
> That's not what happened, although it is true the
> administration wove a
> fabric of half-truths to make it appear that way.
> 
> In the Clinton White House, the President read and
> commented on every
> Presidential Daily Briefing (PDB) he received. 
> George Bush did not read the
> PDBs.   They were summarized for him every day by
> CIA Director Tenet--George
> Bush himself changed that procedure.  Only,
> President Bush took a lot of
> vacations--he has been on vacation for more than 40%
> of his time in
> office--so Tenet was not on hand to summarize all
> the PDBs.
> 
> Bush was on vacation when the CIA provided the
> information about Osama's
> plans to hijack planes inside the United States.  He
> remained on vacation at
> his ranch in Texas for the whole month.  Tenet
> remained in Washington, and
> testified he didn't brief Bush for the entire month,
> although the CIA
> subsequently said he had flown to the ranch once.
> 
> Bush doesn't know what's going on because he's
> clearing scrub on his ranch
> instead of minding the store.  
> 
> There's no excuse for it, no matter which side of
> the political spectrum you
> favor.
> 
> Bill Effros
> 
> 
> 
>   
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: ed kroposki 
>   To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list' 
>   Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 11:54 AM
>   Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list]Wally's political
> reply
> 
> 
>   Wally,
> 
>   "The guy got caught messing around and lied about
> it." 
> 
>   The messing around part had a more significant
> angle.  The lady was not
> only
>   a subordinate, but in a position where he had
> significant responsibility
> of
>   trust to her.   An intern represents a unique
> position.  It is more than
>   employer to employee.  Legally and ethically is
> closer to father and
>   daughter.  She was not put there for his sexual
> enjoyment.  There is no
>   question that a whole lot of women would willingly
> have had sex with him.
>   And, I would have no problem with his doing so. 
> But his taking advantage
>   the special relationship that the two positions
> had was a special wrong.
>   And, he lied in a court proceeding under oath. 
> That is the crime of
>   perjury.  He was disbarred for that in Arkansas;
> anybody else would have
>   time in jail.
> 
>   "On the other hand we have a sitting president
> that claimed while running
>   for office that he was against Nation Building.
> Once elected he spread
>   around a bunch of rumors as facts leading us into
> war against a nation
> that
>   posed no real threat to our National Security.
> This pisses me off much
>   more."
> 
>   Here Rummy's evaluation of intelligence comes in
> perspective.  He was
> given
>   information and looked at that information thru
> narrow blinders.  He
>   evidentially did not fully evaluate all the
> alternatives.  It appears that
>   those advisors close to him gave him primarily a
> narrow view or were
> content
>   to let him believe a limited view.  Maybe he did
> not have the smarts to
>   predict the future or have trust in those who saw
> different possibilities.
> 
>   As President he expected the CIA and the
> Pentagon's office of military
>   intelligence to give him good information.  I say
> that they did not do
> their
>   jobs.  The attorney general said that they were
> hindered by the previous
>   administrations rules (memo).  I would say that
> was not a sufficient
> excuse.
>   The president should have been explicitly told
> that all information he was
>   getting was weak and bias.  He should have been
> told that emphatically,
> and
>   the fact that he was told that should have been
> documented (there is no
>   information that this was done).  The fact that he
> was not strongly
> informed
>   of the weakness in his information is problematic.
>  However, I think that
> at
>   the time he as President of the USA, he had a
> right to expect he was
> getting
>   good information.  Now that we all know the some
> of flaws, the issue is,
> are
>   the flaws fixed?  Since the answers to that are
> state secrets, it will be
>   years before the truth gets out.    
> 
>            Ed K
> 
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