[Rhodes22-list]Wally's political reply

[Michael Meltzer]

now Steve, if you were married to Hillary, and a pretty young thing wanted to give to a blow job at your desk(ok. maybe not pretty
to me but he likes the trailer trash look), would you turn it down???? And would you tell nothing but the truth if questioned????, I
thing be is a slime for other things, what he did to the guy from the travel office is a morally bad as it comes. and that just one
example.

MJM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve" <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]Wally's political reply


> Bill
> You have no way of knowing that Iraq does not have
> WMDs.  You don't know where there at.  You don't know
> what Sadam did with them. Bottom line.
>
> A President is never on vacation.  His people are with
> him.  He still get briefed.  He still doing his job.
>
> How you can compare Clinton to Bush is beyond me.
> What is puzzleing is that you would want to take
> Clinton side on anything.  The man made a joke of this
> country, made a joke of the White House, made a joke
> of the justice system.  But you take his side.  That
> just puzzle me.
>
> Here Bush is, a very moral guy, trying to protect our
> society.  But you take Clinton side, a married man,
> who get Blow Jobs, while on the job, lie about it
> under oath, (by the way - that against the law), who
> breaks the law, guess you could call him criminal, but
> you still take Clinton side.  And he was disbarred
> here in Arkansas, and he the joke of our state.
>
> I just don't understand it.  I guess I never will!!!
> Steve
>
> --- Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> > Not so, Ed.
> >
> > I don't have time for a point by point rebuttal, but
> > the heart of your argument seems to be that the
> > underlying problem is that facts known to the
> > intelligence community were somehow withheld from
> > the President in a way he could not have known.
> >
> > That's not what happened, although it is true the
> > administration wove a fabric of half-truths to make
> > it appear that way.
> >
> > In the Clinton White House, the President read and
> > commented on every Presidential Daily Briefing (PDB)
> > he received.  George Bush did not read the PDBs.
> > They were summarized for him every day by CIA
> > Director Tenet--George Bush himself changed that
> > procedure.  Only, President Bush took a lot of
> > vacations--he has been on vacation for more than 40%
> > of his time in office--so Tenet was not on hand to
> > summarize all the PDBs.
> >
> > Bush was on vacation when the CIA provided the
> > information about Osama's plans to hijack planes
> > inside the United States.  He remained on vacation
> > at his ranch in Texas for the whole month.  Tenet
> > remained in Washington, and testified he didn't
> > brief Bush for the entire month, although the CIA
> > subsequently said he had flown to the ranch once.
> >
> > Bush doesn't know what's going on because he's
> > clearing scrub on his ranch instead of minding the
> > store.
> >
> > There's no excuse for it, no matter which side of
> > the political spectrum you favor.
> >
> > Bill Effros
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: ed kroposki
> >   To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list'
> >   Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 11:54 AM
> >   Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list]Wally's political
> > reply
> >
> >
> >   Wally,
> >
> >   "The guy got caught messing around and lied about
> > it."
> >
> >   The messing around part had a more significant
> > angle.  The lady was not only
> >   a subordinate, but in a position where he had
> > significant responsibility of
> >   trust to her.   An intern represents a unique
> > position.  It is more than
> >   employer to employee.  Legally and ethically is
> > closer to father and
> >   daughter.  She was not put there for his sexual
> > enjoyment.  There is no
> >   question that a whole lot of women would willingly
> > have had sex with him.
> >   And, I would have no problem with his doing so.
> > But his taking advantage
> >   the special relationship that the two positions
> > had was a special wrong.
> >   And, he lied in a court proceeding under oath.
> > That is the crime of
> >   perjury.  He was disbarred for that in Arkansas;
> > anybody else would have
> >   time in jail.
> >
> >   "On the other hand we have a sitting president
> > that claimed while running
> >   for office that he was against Nation Building.
> > Once elected he spread
> >   around a bunch of rumors as facts leading us into
> > war against a nation that
> >   posed no real threat to our National Security.
> > This pisses me off much
> >   more."
> >
> >   Here Rummy's evaluation of intelligence comes in
> > perspective.  He was given
> >   information and looked at that information thru
> > narrow blinders.  He
> >   evidentially did not fully evaluate all the
> > alternatives.  It appears that
> >   those advisors close to him gave him primarily a
> > narrow view or were content
> >   to let him believe a limited view.  Maybe he did
> > not have the smarts to
> >   predict the future or have trust in those who saw
> > different possibilities.
> >
> >   As President he expected the CIA and the
> > Pentagon's office of military
> >   intelligence to give him good information.  I say
> > that they did not do their
> >   jobs.  The attorney general said that they were
> > hindered by the previous
> >   administrations rules (memo).  I would say that
> > was not a sufficient excuse.
> >   The president should have been explicitly told
> > that all information he was
> >   getting was weak and bias.  He should have been
> > told that emphatically, and
> >   the fact that he was told that should have been
> > documented (there is no
> >   information that this was done).  The fact that he
> > was not strongly informed
> >   of the weakness in his information is problematic.
> >  However, I think that at
> >   the time he as President of the USA, he had a
> > right to expect he was getting
> >   good information.  Now that we all know the some
> > of flaws, the issue is, are
> >   the flaws fixed?  Since the answers to that are
> > state secrets, it will be
> >   years before the truth gets out.
> >
> >            Ed K
> >
> >
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