[Rhodes22-list] Mark's political instigation aggravated

Rik Sandberg sanderico at earthlink.net
Fri Apr 23 12:04:28 EDT 2004 

Wally,

Excuse me, but there are many Democrats here and elsewhere that have 
accused our President of lying about the situation with WMD in Iraq. I 
posted those quotes, all from Democrats BTW, to show that there were plenty 
of liars out there from both sides,,,,,or not. The Democrats all jumping up 
to call the President a liar now is a perfect example of the pot calling 
the kettle black.


Whether we should have gone there or not, it seems to me, is a moot point 
now. We are there, we need to finish the job as best we can.


Rik


At 09:23 AM 4/23/2004, you wrote:
>I for one felt the attack on Iraq was wrong regardless of WMD. I agree 
>that they had them at one time. However we don't know if they still exist 
>or not inspite of our attack. The below quotes don't sway my opinion.
>
>Times are tough when the conservatives have to use quotes from the 
>liberals to help make their case. :-)
>
>Wally
>
>>From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico at earthlink.net>
>>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mark's political instigation aggravated
>>Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 20:44:12 -0500
>>
>>Take a read here guys, then maybe talk about who is BSing who in regards to
>>WMDs.
>>
>>Rik
>>______________________________________________________
>>I ran across this recently and found it very good reading.
>>
>>If you really believe that President BUSH lied,THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY
>>WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ AND HE TOOK US TO WAR SOLELY FOR HIS OIL
>>BUDDIES -- The truth and nothing but the truth should be known!!!
>>
>>"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop
>>weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our
>>bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
>>
>>"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We
>>want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
>>destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
>>
>>"Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great
>>deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear,
>>chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest
>>security threat we face." -Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
>>
>>"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times
>>since 1983." -Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998
>>
>>"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.
>>Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
>>appropriate,air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond
>>effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass
>>destruction programs." -Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl
>>Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
>>
>>"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
>>destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he
>>has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D,
>>CA), Dec. 16, 1998
>>
>>"Hussein has .. chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
>>destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton
>>Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
>>
>>"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons
>>programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs
>>continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam
>>continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a
>>licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the
>>United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob
>>Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
>>
>>"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat
>>to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the
>>United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of
>>delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
>>
>>"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical 
>>weapons
>>throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
>>
>>"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter
>>and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in
>>power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
>>
>>"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing
>>weapons of mass destruction."- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
>>
>>"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are 
>>confident
>>that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological
>>weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his
>>chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate
>>that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3,
>>2002
>>
>>"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to
>>use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a
>>deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and
>>grave threat to our security." -Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
>>
>>"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working 
>>aggressively to
>>develop nuclear weapons an d will likely have nuclear weapons within the next
>>five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the
>>progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -
>>Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
>>
>>"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every
>>significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his
>>chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has
>>refused to do" Rep.- Henry Waxman (D, CA) , Oct. 10, 2002
>>
>>"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that
>>Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons
>>stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also
>>given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda
>>members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will
>>continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare,
>>and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D,
>>NY), Oct 10, 2002
>>
>>"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam
>>Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the
>>production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D,
>>FL), Dec. 8, 2002
>>
>>"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, 
>>murderous
>>dictator, leading an oppressive regime .. He presents a particularly grievous
>>threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he
>>is is cal culating America's response to his continued deceit and his
>>consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction... So the threat of Saddam
>>Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real - Sen. John F. Kerry (D,
>>MA), Jan. 23. 2003
>>
>>SO NOW THE DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED, THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY
>>WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND HE TOOK US TO WAR FOR HIS OIL BUDDIES???
>>
>>So who's bullshitting who here????
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Apr 22 2004 10:18 am, Steve wrote:
>> > I still find it funny that the below comments still
>> > come up.  We still don't know what happen to Iraq
>> > WMDs.  We know he made missles that were cabible of
>> > going past the UN limit.  Warheads were cabable of
>> > carring chemical agents. That 20+ tons of Mustard gas
>> > that Libia gave up may be Irag.  We are still finding
>> > Jets & all other kinds of stuff hid under the sand in
>> > Irag.  UN thought Iraq had WMDs, Briton, US and most
>> > of the free world thought Irag had them.  I believe
>> > the real question is not whether Iraq had WMDs but
>> > WHERE are the WMDs!  Sylia, Iran? Two very good
>> > possibities!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >
>> > As for Nation Building, when a country such as our
>> > looses 3,000 people; a President must change, policy
>> > must change; to protect the people that are still
>> > alive.  Otherwise, the US would have had more Deaths
>> > on it hands.  And the President would have been blamed
>> > for NOT changeing policies to protect this country.
>> >
>> > I had a great weekend sailing last weekend also.
>> > Perfect wind, some fairly good wave action.  It was
>> > even white capping most of the day Saturday.
>> > Steve
>> >
>> > --- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Ed,
>> > >
>> > > The answer to your questions are easy, I am just not
>> > > sure why people care so
>> > > much. Yes there is a sucker born every minute! It is
>> > > clear that Clinton lied
>> > > to cover up his sucker. The guy got caught messing
>> > > around and lied about it.
>> > > Not exactly uncommon in our society or from our
>> > > elected officials. Please
>> > > note I did not vote for Clinton and agree the guy
>> > > was sleezy.
>> > >
>> > > On the other hand we have a sitting president that
>> > > claimed while running for
>> > > office that he was against Nation Building. Once
>> > > elected he spread around a
>> > > bunch of rumors as facts leading us into war against
>> > > a nation that posed no
>> > > real threat to our National Security. This pisses me
>> > > off much more.
>> > >
>> > > Regarding the Baker's, they are clowns and are only
>> > > here for us to make fun
>> > > of. :-)
>> > >
>> > > We had an awesome weekend last week! More of the
>> > > same coming this weekend. I
>> > > hope someone else besides me is going sailing.
>> > >
>> > > Wally
>> > >
>> > > >From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>> > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> > >
>> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> > >
>> > > >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'"
>> > >
>> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> > >
>> > > >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mark's political
>> > >
>> > > instigation aggravated Date: Wed,
>> > >
>> > > >21 Apr 2004 15:10:16 -0400
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >Mark,
>> > > >   If you like the what she says then surely you
>> > >
>> > > believed Bill when he
>> > >
>> > > >said "I did not ................................."
>> > > >   What did that famous circus guy say, "one born
>> > >
>> > > every day and two to
>> > >
>> > > >take him."  You have found your two.  And I bet you
>> > >
>> > > sat in the front row of
>> > >
>> > > >Jim Baker's audiences.
>> > > >   And if Bill is as smart as Rummy's email says he
>> > >
>> > > is, how come he
>> > >
>> > > >does not know right from wrong?  Or the complete
>> > >
>> > > definitions of everyday
>> > >
>> > > >terms.  Why is it acceptable for him to define
>> > >
>> > > words to suit himself and
>> > >
>> > > >then all the national news media accepts his
>> > >
>> > > definition as correct?  Is
>> > >
>> > > >that
>> > > >intelligence or an old fashion 'con job'.
>> > > >   And, according to Rummy's email, Bush is not smart
>> > >
>> > > enough to 'con'
>> > >
>> > > >us :-) :-(
>> > > >
>> > > >~~~~~ _/) ~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~~
>> > > >
>> > > >                               Ed K
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >-----Original Message-----
>> > > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> > > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>> > >
>> > > Behalf Of Mark Kaynor
>> > >
>> > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:37 PM
>> > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Rummy's political
>> > >
>> > > instigation aggravated
>> > >
>> > > >This oughtta do it. I just watched Hillary Clinton
>> > >
>> > > on Larry King Live. I
>> > >
>> > > >keep finding that I like what she has to say.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >-----Original Message-----
>> > > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> > > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
>> > >
>> > > Behalf Of Michael Meltzer
>> > >
>> > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:35 PM
>> > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rummy's political
>> > >
>> > > instigation aggravated
>> > >
>> > > >good point, I am not getting any, so why not bring
>> > >
>> > > up sex, thats different.
>> > >
>> > > >MJM
>> > > >
>> > > >----- Original Message -----
>> > > >From: "Mark Kaynor" <mark at kaynor.org>
>> > > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>> > >
>> > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> > >
>> > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:35 PM
>> > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Rummy's political
>> > >
>> > > instigation aggravated
>> > >
>> > > > > Ed, Rummy,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > <Yawn> <Ho hum> How about bringing up something
>> > >
>> > > controversial? <g>
>> > >
>> > > > > Mark
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> > > > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
>> > >
>> > > Behalf Of ed kroposki
>> > >
>> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 6:41 PM
>> > > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list'
>> > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rummy's political
>> > >
>> > > instigation aggravated
>> > >
>> > > > > Rummy,
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >     I would suggest that your data is biased.
>> > >
>> > > Let me change the subject
>> > >
>> > > >to
>> > > >
>> > > > > a more controversial one, Religion:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > DID YOU KNOW
>> > > > >
>> > > > > As you walk up the steps to the
>> > > > > building which houses the
>> > > > > U.S.  Supreme Court you can see
>> > > > > near the top of the building a row of the
>> > > > > world's law givers and each one
>> > > > > is facing one in the middle who
>> > > > > is facing forward with a full frontal
>> > > > > view - it is Moses and he is holding the Ten
>> > >
>> > > Commandments!
>> > >
>> > > > > DID YOU KNOW?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > As you enter the Supreme Court
>> > > > > courtroom, the two huge oak doors
>> > > > > have the Ten Commandments engraved
>> > > > > on each lower portion of each door.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > DID YOU KNOW?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > As you sit inside the courtroom, you can
>> > > > > see the wall, right above where the
>> > > > > Supreme Court judges sit, a display of the Ten
>> > >
>> > > Commandments!
>> > >
>> > > > > DID YOU KNOW?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > There are Bible verses etched in stone
>> > > > > all over the Federal Buildings
>> > > > > and Monuments in Washington, D.C.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > DID YOU KNOW?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > James Madison, the fourth president,
>> > > > > known as "The Father of Our Constitution"
>> > > > > made the following statement
>> > > > > "We have staked the whole of
>> > > > > all our political institutions upon the
>> > > > > capacity of mankind for self-government,
>> > > > > upon the capacity of each and all of us
>> > > > > to govern ourselves, to control ourselves,
>> > > > > to sustain ourselves according to the Ten
>> > >
>> > > Commandments of God."
>> > >
>> > > > > DID YOU KNOW?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Patrick Henry, that patriot and
>> > > > > Founding Father of our country said,
>> > > > > "It cannot be emphasized too strongly
>> > > > > or too often that this great nation was
>> > > > > founded not by religionists but by Christians,
>> > > > > not on religions but on the
>> > > > > Gospel of Jesus Christ."
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > DID YOU KNOW?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Every session of Congress begins with
>> > > > > a prayer by a paid preacher,  whose
>> > > > > salary has been paid by the
>> > > > > taxpayer since 1777.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > DID YOU KNOW?
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the
>> > > > > Constitution were members of
>> > > > > the established orthodox churches
>> > > > > in the colonies.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > DID YOU KNOW?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thomas Jefferson worried that
>> > > > > the Courts would overstep their
>> > > > > authority and instead of interpreting
>> > > > > the law would begin making
>> > > > > law....an oligarchy....the rule of few over
>> > >
>> > > many.
>> > >
>> > > > > Ed K (throwing gas on Rummy's wood fire)
>> > >
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