[Rhodes22-list] Mark's political instigation aggravated

Wally Buck tnrhodey at hotmail.com
Fri Apr 23 17:38:54 EDT 2004


Yes sir, me neither! :-)


>From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico at earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mark's political instigation aggravated
>Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:47:45 -0500
>
>Rob,
>
>I guess I can't argue with that :-)
>
>Rik
>
>
>At 10:54 AM 4/23/2004, you wrote:
>>Rik,
>>At least the debate has gotten civilized.
>>
>>I get tired after awhile of people pointing fingers at the Dems while the
>>Repubs are doing the same thing and vice-versa.  They are all politicians
>>and all scum.  Doesn't really matter which side they are on.  Just pick 
>>your
>>flavor, you want brown scum or green scum?
>>
>>Rob Lowe
>>S/V Getaway
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Rik Sandberg" <sanderico at earthlink.net>
>>To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 11:45 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mark's political instigation aggravated
>>
>>
>>Bill,
>>
>>Obviously, there are many opinions on the subject of Iraq and WMD. I can
>>only speak for myself. My feeling on the WMD issue is that all of the
>>hub-bub from the Dems that bush was lying about WMDs is just a way to
>>discredit him before the next election. This should be pretty obvious by
>>now. Note especially, Senator Kerry's quotes in that list and compare that
>>to what you hear from him now. I don't believe you can trust this man any
>>further than you could throw a bull by the tail!! Whether anyone was lying
>>or not, it seems that either everyone was, Dems included, OR they weren't.
>>This list (it seems it would be a long one) of liars/non-liars would have
>>to include President Bush. How convenient is it now for the Dems to all
>>decide that now it was only President Bush who was lying?
>>
>>I would have been in favor of "dethroning" Saddam Hussein whether he had
>>WMD or not. He has proven himself to be an active supporter of terrorists
>>and has been practically daring us, for years, to put our money where our
>>mouth is. He was torturing and killing his citizens by the thousands and
>>those he wasn't were starving to death due to our sanctions and embargos
>>while Saddam sat, fat and happy, in his 56 palaces. Most of our actions up
>>to the point of the start of the war were hurting the wrong people and
>>doing no good at all. My only regret on this issue is that it wasn't taken
>>care of in 1991, when it should have been finished in the first place. I
>>cannot imagine the amount of human suffering this would have saved.
>>
>>I keep hearing about the UN this or that. JEEZ, has anybody looked at just
>>who is running the UN these days??? Talk about the fox running the
>>henhouse!!
>>
>>On the Afghanistan thing; Yes, we weren't able to catch Bin Laden. I have
>>to admit, he is a pretty clever guy who seems to have a lot of friends
>>willing to help him. Does this mean we shouldn't have tried??? The man has
>>as much as admitted killing several thousand of our citizens and has as
>>much as promised to kill more when he gets another chance. At least if we
>>haven't been able to catch him, we have certainly made it more difficult
>>for him to operate. I have no doubt that we will catch him eventually. Do
>>the Dems have some magic plan for getting this done??? If so, I'd love to
>>hear it. My guess is they want to return to the policies of the Clinton
>>era, where he told those nasty guys how bad they were and lobbed a missile
>>over there once in a while. Again, it should be pretty obvious by now,
>>where those policies got us.
>>
>>Talk is nice, when it works, and Lord knows, I would rather talk than
>>fight. Trouble is, if people don't believe that you will back up your 
>>words
>>with your big stick, sometimes they have a tendency to not take you very
>>seriously. This has been the case in the middle east for quite some time
>>now. At least 10 years for sure for Saddam Hussein. I think we have made
>>some believers over there now. Even Muammar Qaddafi (sp) seems to have had
>>an "epiphany".
>>
>>I will not even attempt to debate anyone on the finer points of diplomacy
>>and foreign policy. All I know is what I can see. Diplomacy wasn't working
>>and more talk wasn't going to make the situation any better.
>>
>>Rik
>>
>>
>>At 08:23 AM 4/23/2004, you wrote:
>> >Rick,
>> >
>> >Great quotes!  I'll check them out, but I have every reason to believe
>> >they are accurate.
>> >
>> >The point is that the UN weapons inspectors, who were on the ground just
>> >prior to the start of the war, said unequivocally that they had been 
>>given
>> >access to everything they needed to be sure that Saddam Hussein no 
>>longer
>> >had WMD.  The Bush administration claimed to have evidence that Saddam
>> >Hussein currently had WMD in staggering quantities, and they claimed to
>> >know exactly where it was hidden, how and where it had been made, and 
>>who
>> >made it.
>> >
>> >They told the world they could not trust the UN weapons inspectors with
>> >this information, or anyone else for that matter.  It was a matter of
>> >national security.  They said Saddam Hussein was continuing to 
>>manufacture
>> >this stuff, and it was urgently necessary for the world to invade Iraq 
>>to
>> >rid him of these weapons.
>> >
>> >The world told the Bush administration they did not believe our
>> >intelligence, our assessment of it, or our remedy to the problem if one
>> >actually existed.  Bush invaded Iraq.
>> >
>> >I have the exact quotes to back up all of the above statements, and will
>> >publish them shortly.
>> >
>> >If you still believe Saddam Hussein had WMD in 2003, and they vanished
>> >without a trace despite our campaign of "shock and awe" and 
>>"decapitation"
>> >then you must agree that the method used by the Bush Administration to 
>>rid
>> >the world of this threat has failed.  We still don't know where they 
>>are,
>> >and we still don't know who has them.  If they exist, they are a greater
>> >threat to us now than they were when we knew where they were.
>> >
>> >Similarly with Afghanistan.  As you may remember, I opposed the invasion
>> >of Afghanistan as well.  The entire rational for that invasion was to
>> >capture Osama.  He is still making tapes and bombing all over the
>> >world.  We failed in the mission.  Meanwhile Afghanistan has descended
>> >back into total anarchy--it has again become a narco-terrorist state, 
>>and
>> >has regained its status as the leading producer of opium in the
>> >world--with our help.  Meanwhile Americans continue to die in that 
>>country
>> >for no understandable reason.
>> >
>> >If you come across more quotes of the type you posted, I would 
>>appreciate
>> >your sending them along.  You have saved me a lot of work.
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >
>> >Bill Effros
>> >   ----- Original Message -----
>> >   From: Rik Sandberg
>> >   To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> >   Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 9:44 PM
>> >   Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mark's political instigation aggravated
>> >
>> >
>> >   Take a read here guys, then maybe talk about who is BSing who in
>> > regards to
>> >   WMDs.
>> >
>> >   Rik
>> >   ______________________________________________________
>> >   I ran across this recently and found it very good reading.
>> >
>> >   If you really believe that President BUSH lied,THAT THERE NEVER WERE 
>>ANY
>> >   WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ AND HE TOOK US TO WAR SOLELY FOR
>> > HIS OIL
>> >   BUDDIES -- The truth and nothing but the truth should be known!!!
>> >
>> >   "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
>> > develop
>> >   weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is
>>our
>> >   bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
>> >
>> >   "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
>> > clear. We
>> >   want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
>> >   destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
>> >
>> >   "Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a
>>great
>> >   deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use
>> > nuclear,
>> >   chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the 
>>greatest
>> >   security threat we face." -Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
>> >
>> >   "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten
>>times
>> >   since 1983." -Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb,
>>18,1998
>> >
>> >   "We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the
>>U.S.
>> >   Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
>> >   appropriate,air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to 
>>respond
>> >   effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons 
>>of
>> > mass
>> >   destruction programs." -Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens.
>>Carl
>> >   Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
>> >
>> >   "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of 
>>mass
>> >   destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region 
>>and
>>he
>> >   has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -Rep. Nancy
>> > Pelosi (D,
>> >   CA), Dec. 16, 1998
>> >
>> >   "Hussein has .. chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
>> >   destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, 
>>Clinton
>> >   Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
>> >
>> >   "There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his 
>>weapons
>> >   programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear
>>programs
>> >   continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition,
>>Saddam
>> >   continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the 
>>cover
>> > of a
>> >   licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will
>> > threaten the
>> >   United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by
>> > Sen. Bob
>> >   Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
>> >
>> >   "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and 
>>a
>> > threat
>> >   to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated
>> > of the
>> >   United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the
>> > means of
>> >   delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
>> >
>> >   "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and 
>>chemical
>> > weapons
>> >   throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
>> >
>> >   "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible 
>>to
>> > deter
>> >   and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is 
>>in
>> >   power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
>> >
>> >   "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
>> > developing
>> >   weapons of mass destruction."- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 
>>2002
>> >
>> >   "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
>> > confident
>> >   that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and 
>>biological
>> >   weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up
>>his
>> >   chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports
>> > indicate
>> >   that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), 
>>Oct.
>>3,
>> >   2002
>> >
>> >   "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
>> > authority to
>> >   use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe
>> > that a
>> >   deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real 
>>and
>> >   grave threat to our security." -Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 
>>2002
>> >
>> >   "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
>> > aggressively to
>> >   develop nuclear weapons an d will likely have nuclear weapons within
>> > the next
>> >   five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated 
>>the
>> >   progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass
>>destruction." -
>> >   Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
>> >
>> >   "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 
>>years,
>> > every
>> >   significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and 
>>destroy
>>his
>> >   chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he 
>>has
>> >   refused to do" Rep.- Henry Waxman (D, CA) , Oct. 10, 2002
>> >
>> >   "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports 
>>show
>> > that
>> >   Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological 
>>weapons
>> >   stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He 
>>has
>> > also
>> >   given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda
>> >   members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam 
>>Hussein
>> > will
>> >   continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical
>>warfare,
>> >   and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary
>> > Clinton (D,
>> >   NY), Oct 10, 2002
>> >
>> >   "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
>> > Saddam
>> >   Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity
>> > for the
>> >   production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob
>> > Graham (D,
>> >   FL), Dec. 8, 2002
>> >
>> >   "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
>> > murderous
>> >   dictator, leading an oppressive regime .. He presents a particularly
>> > grievous
>> >   threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And
>> > now he
>> >   is is cal culating America's response to his continued deceit and his
>> >   consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction... So the threat of
>> > Saddam
>> >   Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real - Sen. John F. Kerry
>>(D,
>> >   MA), Jan. 23. 2003
>> >
>> >   SO NOW THE DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED, THAT THERE NEVER WERE 
>>ANY
>> >   WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND HE TOOK US TO WAR FOR HIS OIL 
>>BUDDIES???
>> >
>> >   So who's bullshitting who here????
>> >
>> >
>> >   On Thu, Apr 22 2004 10:18 am, Steve wrote:
>> >   > I still find it funny that the below comments still
>> >   > come up.  We still don't know what happen to Iraq
>> >   > WMDs.  We know he made missles that were cabible of
>> >   > going past the UN limit.  Warheads were cabable of
>> >   > carring chemical agents. That 20+ tons of Mustard gas
>> >   > that Libia gave up may be Irag.  We are still finding
>> >   > Jets & all other kinds of stuff hid under the sand in
>> >   > Irag.  UN thought Iraq had WMDs, Briton, US and most
>> >   > of the free world thought Irag had them.  I believe
>> >   > the real question is not whether Iraq had WMDs but
>> >   > WHERE are the WMDs!  Sylia, Iran? Two very good
>> >   > possibities!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >   >
>> >   > As for Nation Building, when a country such as our
>> >   > looses 3,000 people; a President must change, policy
>> >   > must change; to protect the people that are still
>> >   > alive.  Otherwise, the US would have had more Deaths
>> >   > on it hands.  And the President would have been blamed
>> >   > for NOT changeing policies to protect this country.
>> >   >
>> >   > I had a great weekend sailing last weekend also.
>> >   > Perfect wind, some fairly good wave action.  It was
>> >   > even white capping most of the day Saturday.
>> >   > Steve
>> >   >
>> >   > --- Wally Buck <tnrhodey at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >   > > Ed,
>> >   > >
>> >   > > The answer to your questions are easy, I am just not
>> >   > > sure why people care so
>> >   > > much. Yes there is a sucker born every minute! It is
>> >   > > clear that Clinton lied
>> >   > > to cover up his sucker. The guy got caught messing
>> >   > > around and lied about it.
>> >   > > Not exactly uncommon in our society or from our
>> >   > > elected officials. Please
>> >   > > note I did not vote for Clinton and agree the guy
>> >   > > was sleezy.
>> >   > >
>> >   > > On the other hand we have a sitting president that
>> >   > > claimed while running for
>> >   > > office that he was against Nation Building. Once
>> >   > > elected he spread around a
>> >   > > bunch of rumors as facts leading us into war against
>> >   > > a nation that posed no
>> >   > > real threat to our National Security. This pisses me
>> >   > > off much more.
>> >   > >
>> >   > > Regarding the Baker's, they are clowns and are only
>> >   > > here for us to make fun
>> >   > > of. :-)
>> >   > >
>> >   > > We had an awesome weekend last week! More of the
>> >   > > same coming this weekend. I
>> >   > > hope someone else besides me is going sailing.
>> >   > >
>> >   > > Wally
>> >   > >
>> >   > > >From: "ed kroposki" <ekroposki at charter.net>
>> >   > > >Reply-To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> >   > >
>> >   > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >   > >
>> >   > > >To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'"
>> >   > >
>> >   > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >   > >
>> >   > > >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mark's political
>> >   > >
>> >   > > instigation aggravated Date: Wed,
>> >   > >
>> >   > > >21 Apr 2004 15:10:16 -0400
>> >   > > >
>> >   > > >
>> >   > > >Mark,
>> >   > > > If you like the what she says then surely you
>> >   > >
>> >   > > believed Bill when he
>> >   > >
>> >   > > >said "I did not ................................."
>> >   > > > What did that famous circus guy say, "one born
>> >   > >
>> >   > > every day and two to
>> >   > >
>> >   > > >take him."  You have found your two.  And I bet you
>> >   > >
>> >   > > sat in the front row of
>> >   > >
>> >   > > >Jim Baker's audiences.
>> >   > > > And if Bill is as smart as Rummy's email says he
>> >   > >
>> >   > > is, how come he
>> >   > >
>> >   > > >does not know right from wrong?  Or the complete
>> >   > >
>> >   > > definitions of everyday
>> >   > >
>> >   > > >terms.  Why is it acceptable for him to define
>> >   > >
>> >   > > words to suit himself and
>> >   > >
>> >   > > >then all the national news media accepts his
>> >   > >
>> >   > > definition as correct?  Is
>> >   > >
>> >   > > >that
>> >   > > >intelligence or an old fashion 'con job'.
>> >   > > > And, according to Rummy's email, Bush is not smart
>> >   > >
>> >   > > enough to 'con'
>> >   > >
>> >   > > >us :-) :-(
>> >   > > >
>> >   > > >~~~~~ _/) ~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~~~ ~~~~~
>> >   > > >
>> >   > > >                               Ed K
>> >   > > >
>> >   > > >
>> >   > > >-----Original Message-----
>> >   > > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> >   > > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>> >   > >
>> >   > > Behalf Of Mark Kaynor
>> >   > >
>> >   > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:37 PM
>> >   > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> >   > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Rummy's political
>> >   > >
>> >   > > instigation aggravated
>> >   > >
>> >   > > >This oughtta do it. I just watched Hillary Clinton
>> >   > >
>> >   > > on Larry King Live. I
>> >   > >
>> >   > > >keep finding that I like what she has to say.
>> >   > > >
>> >   > > >
>> >   > > >
>> >   > > >-----Original Message-----
>> >   > > >From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> >   > > >[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
>> >   > >
>> >   > > Behalf Of Michael Meltzer
>> >   > >
>> >   > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:35 PM
>> >   > > >To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
>> >   > > >Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rummy's political
>> >   > >
>> >   > > instigation aggravated
>> >   > >
>> >   > > >good point, I am not getting any, so why not bring
>> >   > >
>> >   > > up sex, thats different.
>> >   > >
>> >   > > >MJM
>> >   > > >
>> >   > > >----- Original Message -----
>> >   > > >From: "Mark Kaynor" <mark at kaynor.org>
>> >   > > >To: "The Rhodes 22 mail list"
>> >   > >
>> >   > > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >   > >
>> >   > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:35 PM
>> >   > > >Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Rummy's political
>> >   > >
>> >   > > instigation aggravated
>> >   > >
>> >   > > > > Ed, Rummy,
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > > <Yawn> <Ho hum> How about bringing up something
>> >   > >
>> >   > > controversial? <g>
>> >   > >
>> >   > > > > Mark
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> >   > > > > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> >   > > > > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]On
>> >   > >
>> >   > > Behalf Of ed kroposki
>> >   > >
>> >   > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 6:41 PM
>> >   > > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 mail list'
>> >   > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rummy's political
>> >   > >
>> >   > > instigation aggravated
>> >   > >
>> >   > > > > Rummy,
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > >     I would suggest that your data is biased.
>> >   > >
>> >   > > Let me change the subject
>> >   > >
>> >   > > >to
>> >   > > >
>> >   > > > > a more controversial one, Religion:
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > > DID YOU KNOW
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > > As you walk up the steps to the
>> >   > > > > building which houses the
>> >   > > > > U.S.  Supreme Court you can see
>> >   > > > > near the top of the building a row of the
>> >   > > > > world's law givers and each one
>> >   > > > > is facing one in the middle who
>> >   > > > > is facing forward with a full frontal
>> >   > > > > view - it is Moses and he is holding the Ten
>> >   > >
>> >   > > Commandments!
>> >   > >
>> >   > > > > DID YOU KNOW?
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > > As you enter the Supreme Court
>> >   > > > > courtroom, the two huge oak doors
>> >   > > > > have the Ten Commandments engraved
>> >   > > > > on each lower portion of each door.
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > > DID YOU KNOW?
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > > As you sit inside the courtroom, you can
>> >   > > > > see the wall, right above where the
>> >   > > > > Supreme Court judges sit, a display of the Ten
>> >   > >
>> >   > > Commandments!
>> >   > >
>> >   > > > > DID YOU KNOW?
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > > There are Bible verses etched in stone
>> >   > > > > all over the Federal Buildings
>> >   > > > > and Monuments in Washington, D.C.
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > > DID YOU KNOW?
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > > James Madison, the fourth president,
>> >   > > > > known as "The Father of Our Constitution"
>> >   > > > > made the following statement
>> >   > > > > "We have staked the whole of
>> >   > > > > all our political institutions upon the
>> >   > > > > capacity of mankind for self-government,
>> >   > > > > upon the capacity of each and all of us
>> >   > > > > to govern ourselves, to control ourselves,
>> >   > > > > to sustain ourselves according to the Ten
>> >   > >
>> >   > > Commandments of God."
>> >   > >
>> >   > > > > DID YOU KNOW?
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > > Patrick Henry, that patriot and
>> >   > > > > Founding Father of our country said,
>> >   > > > > "It cannot be emphasized too strongly
>> >   > > > > or too often that this great nation was
>> >   > > > > founded not by religionists but by Christians,
>> >   > > > > not on religions but on the
>> >   > > > > Gospel of Jesus Christ."
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > > DID YOU KNOW?
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > > Every session of Congress begins with
>> >   > > > > a prayer by a paid preacher,  whose
>> >   > > > > salary has been paid by the
>> >   > > > > taxpayer since 1777.
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > > DID YOU KNOW?
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > > Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the
>> >   > > > > Constitution were members of
>> >   > > > > the established orthodox churches
>> >   > > > > in the colonies.
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > > DID YOU KNOW?
>> >   > > > >
>> >   > > > > Thomas Jefferson worried that
>> >   > > > > the Courts would overstep their
>> >   > > > > authority and instead of interpreting
>> >   > > > > the law would begin making
>> >   > > > > law....an oligarchy....the rule of few over
>> >   > >
>> >   > > many.
>> >   > >
>> >   > > > > Ed K (throwing gas on Rummy's wood fire)
>> >   > >
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>> >   > >
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