[Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked

Todd Tavares sprocket80 at mail.com
Fri Apr 30 17:59:10 EDT 2004 

Steve,

   You are right about the fact that sometimes the US has to tolerate dictators to gain benefit.  We supported one dictator during the Reagan administration and we are spending American lives in Iraq to un-do that damage today! (this military action you have openly cheered and defended).

 You probably live in a house where over half of your consumer goods were made in China, so you are personally supporting a communist country.  Just look at the label back of the printer or speakers hooked up to your computer (if not, you won't half to look very far). 

   There may not be any good reason to travel to Cuba...except that as Americans, we are free to do as we please.

   If there was oil in Cuba, Bush would be inviting Castro to the White House for brandy and cigars.  But Castro is way too smart to ever let that happen.  History would just repeat itself and American big business would move in and take, take, take.  Just like we did after the Spanish-American war. 

Todd
 P.S.  Its funny how you quoted a dem to make your point though.  lol ;-D


----- Original Message -----
From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 05:44:17 -0700 (PDT)
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked

> Todd
> Your not seeing the big picture.  Your putting your
> own self interest before the country.  Yes, sometime
> this country has to tolerate these situation but there
> is always a good reason.  I have said that in a
> preivous e-mail.  Another previous quote, "But on the
> whole or as the basic rule, we should not support
> them".  There is simple no reason for Americans to be
> going to Cuba or to be planning to go to Cuba.  These
> type of situation take the focus of our Coast Guard
> off of it real duty to chase down spoiled Americans. 
> Here is a quote for you, "Ask not what your country
> can do for you but what you can do for your country". 
> In this situation, a good thing you can do for your
> country is not initiate a situation that our Coast
> Guard would have to intervien in such as trying or
> planing on going to Cuba.  There is just no point in
> it when our country is at war and our Coast Guard has
> other priorities.  
> Steve
> 
> --- Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com> wrote:
> > Steve,  
> > 
> >     But if Castro had wealth or oil to spread around
> > here in the U.S. like say....the Royal family in
> > Saudi Arabia... then he would also be welcomed with
> > open arms??  Give me a freaking break. The United
> > States supports dictators when it benefits the
> > United States.  Castro is too proud and defiant to
> > bend over and kiss America's ass.  Bush is just
> > pulling election year politics (which he learned
> > from watching Clinton and his spindoctors do for
> > years)under the guise of Homeland security.  He
> > needs as many votes in Florida as he can get. Jeb
> > can't help him this go'round. 
> > 
> >    Castro is not interested in the overthrow of the
> > US government or conducting or for that matter, even
> > supporting terrorism against us. Our beef with
> > Castro has more to do with human rights abuses than
> > anything else. If Cuba had any natural resources to
> > exploit, or anything of value to offer besides
> > cigars or perhaps, cheap labor, U.S. big business
> > would be down there setting shop
> > tomorrow...socialist republic or not. You can bet
> > your boy Bush would see to that. 
> > 
> > Todd
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Steve <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:19:15 -0700 (PDT)
> > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
> > <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bushwhacked
> > 
> > > Slim
> > > A country as great as our does not need to be
> > > supporting Dictators. Especialy Not with our
> > money. 
> > > Certain situations require this country to
> > tolerate
> > > certain things from some contries. But on the
> > whole or
> > > as the basic rule, we should not support them. The
> > > cubans are ruled by a dictator and until that
> > changes;
> > > should be cut off from the free world.  
> > > Steve
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > Steve,
> > > > Hello?  We're not at war with Cuba.  Bush is now
> > > > calling Cuba a terrorist
> > > > state.  Baloney!  Have you ever heard of a Cuban
> > > > terrorist?  The Bay of Pigs
> > > > was 42 years ago and the Cold War is over. 
> > Who's
> > > > afraid of Castro at this
> > > > point?  He's no threat, he has no powerful
> > allies
> > > > and he has no money.
> > > > What's he gonna do?  Load up a bunch of his '53
> > > > Chevys and invade Key West?
> > > > Conga drums don't make very good cannons.  This
> > new
> > > > law is a heavy-handed,
> > > > jack-booted piece of fascist politicking that
> > strips
> > > > Americans of their
> > > > civil rights.  And he's just doing it for the
> > damn
> > > > votes of those who came
> > > > to this country to escape that very thing.
> > > > Slim
> > > > 
> > > > On 4/28/04 9:23 AM, "Steve"
> > <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Slim
> > > > > Something that needs to be factor in is that
> > our
> > > > Coast
> > > > > Guard should not have to be running Americans
> > down
> > > > > after they go to Cuba.  The Coast Guard needs
> > to
> > > > be
> > > > > guarding our US coasts.  This law should help
> > the
> > > > > Coast Guard by getting people that are willing
> > to
> > > > > break existing laws regarding Cuba by allowing
> > the
> > > > > Coast Guard to go ahead & throw them in jail
> > > > without
> > > > > having to chase them down after they break the
> > > > law.
> > > > > Its one of these things that citizen have to
> > > > endure
> > > > > when our country is at WAR.
> > > > > Steve
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > >> Steve,
> > > > >> You misunderstood.  I'm not saying I support
> > > > Castro.
> > > > >>  I'm saying Bush is a
> > > > >> fascist for passing this law.  You don't have
> > to
> > > > be
> > > > >> tried or found guilty of
> > > > >> anything or even probable cause needed--just
> > > > >> suspected of going to Cuba--to
> > > > >> lose your boat.  Whatever happened to
> > innocent
> > > > until
> > > > >> proven guilty?  Yes, of
> > > > >> course he's trying to court the anti-Castro
> > > > >> Cuban-Americans that live in
> > > > >> Florida, but that doesn't give him the right
> > to
> > > > >> trash the Constitution!!!
> > > > >> If I were to be overheard just talking about
> > my
> > > > love
> > > > >> of cigars and Salsa
> > > > >> dancing--BAM!--the Bush Nazis could
> > commandeer my
> > > > >> beloved Fandango for no
> > > > >> reason at all, and you seem to think that's
> > OK?
> > > > >> Wake up and smell the storm
> > > > >> troopers!!!!!
> > > > >> Slim
> > > > >> 
> > > > >> On 4/27/04 7:38 AM, "Steve"
> > > > <rhodes2282 at yahoo.com>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> 
> > > > >>> Slim
> > > > >>> I read that article.  Why would you want to
> > go
> > > > to
> > > > >> Cuba
> > > > >>> and support a Dictator?????????????? 
> > Spending
> > > > >> money
> > > > >>> there has always been Illegal.  All Bush is
> > > > doing
> > > > >> is
> > > > >>> putting a stop to people going there.  If
> > you
> > > > are
> > > > >> not
> > > > >>> planning on going there, spending money
> > there,
> > > > >>> basically showing that you support a
> > dictator
> > > > who
> > > > >> has
> > > > >>> kept his country in poverty; you have
> > nothing to
> > > > >> worry
> > > > >>> about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  It come down to who you
> > > > >> support -
> > > > >>> America & Freedom ----- or Dictators &
> > > > >> suppression!
> > > > >>> Steve
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>> --- Steve Alm <salm at mn.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>> The May issue of Cruising World reports on
> > the
> > > > >> law
> > > > >>>> passed by George W.
> > > > >>>> Pinhead whereas the govt. can board,
> > inspect,
> > > > >> search
> > > > >>>> and/or commandeer ANY
> > > > >>>> boat at ANY time in American waters if they
> > > > >> merely
> > > > >>>> suspect that boat might
> > > > >>>> be going to or from Cuba, which is now
> > defined
> > > > as
> > > > >> a
> > > > >>>> terrorist state.  It
> > > > >>>> doesn't sound like they need any proof or
> > > > >> probably
> > > > >>>> cause.  The way I read
> > > > >>>> it, the govt. has been given Carte Blanche
> > over
> > > > >> and
> > > > >>>> above any
> > > > >>>> right-to-privacy issues.  If anyone has any
> > > > doubt
> > > > >>>> that this administration
> > > > >>>> has trampled the Constitution and become a
> > > > >> Fascist
> > > > >>>> regime, one need look no
> > > > >>>> further than this!
> > > > >>>> 
> > > > >>>> Slim
> > > > >>>> 
> > > > >>>> 
> > > > >>
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