[Rhodes22-list] Russell's upright problem

Mon Aug 9 09:06:24 EDT 2004

Todd,

I've used both the Mac system and the R-22 system, and the R-22 system is better.  The factor is the intellectual property aspect.

There is no trick to raising masts when nothing goes wrong.  A number of people on the list have advocated a simple wooden A-Frame alternative costing a fraction of the Mac crane pole.  Sooner or later these people always have incidents like what Russ must have encountered.  Something goes wrong.  Someone could have been, or was, hurt.

Stan is an engineer.  Russ isn't.  You want Stan to solve Russ's problem, and then for Russ, instead of paying Stan, to have someone else simply copy Stan's solution.  Once Stan understands that people have no intention of paying him for his work, he's going to stop doing that work for those people.  Lucky for us, Stan has been slow to catch on.  He's an engineer, he likes to solve problems.

Last night on 60 Minutes there was a rerun about the Chinese stealing American intellectual property with Americans whining about the cost of this theft.  It was funny to hear the golf club guys talk about how similar the $275 Chinese knock-off looked and played compared to the $3,000 original.  It was less funny to learn that 1000s of Chinese babies had died from milk formula that looked like the American product, but contained no nutrients.  Or that 1000s of adults had died from taking Chinese medicines that had no active ingredients.

People have come on this list to rip Stan's mast raising system for being dangerous and poorly made only to discover that the inexpensive system they were using was not Stan's at all.

This concept is hard to explain, and the ramifications of this kind of stealing are difficult to absorb.  I previously explained how I, as a younger man, figured out how to rip off the telephone company, and saw nothing wrong about it at the time.  It's something many of us have done.  

But if people who know better don't challenge this notion whenever it comes up, it weakens us all as a nation. 

Of course, you can always just hit the delete key, but apparently you don't.

And for that I thank you,

Bill

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Todd Tavares 
To: The Rhodes 22 mail list 
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Russell's upright problem

   Ed,

          I hate to bring up the name MacGregor, but they have a system
   that uses a crane pole with a brake winch on top, very much like the
   GB crane pole.  It appears (I have not seen the system up close) to
   pivot on a horizontal bolt on extended side tangs on the mast base
   bracket.  An alternative to the block mounted on the cabin top.  The
   best part is that Mac sells the crane pole with winch for $98.00

         What's wrong with an R22 system mounted on the S-26?  Maybe a
   beefier and longer crane pole would help?   Although the mast is a
   few taller, it can't weigh much than a R22 with the IMF....can it???

         From the websites....it seems that Hake sells a mast raising
   system as an option for only $400.  Maybe Russ can make himself a
   "similar" system without stealing their intellectual property.
   We wouldn't to get Bill's panties in a bunch again.  :-)

       Can Russ tell us what are the difficulties in adapting the GB
   Rhodes 22 system to the S-26?  Russ?

   Todd

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "ed kroposki"
   Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 21:24:03 -0400
   To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'"
   Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Russell's upright problem
   >
   >
   > Russ:
   >
   >
   >
   > Ask Stan if any other boat uses an on boat hoist or do they all use
   > Trailer mounted systems, al la Com Pac. Let us see, how about a hot
   air
   > balloon with remote control? Maybe a bigger boat with a counter
   weighted
   > crane.
   >
   > How many side stays does the boat have? Six? That is what makes the
   > R22 work. Maybe you need to add some Stays or change the locations,
   at
   > least while raising and lower the mast.
   >
   > Where is Roger when you need mechanical advantage? Dual Gin poles?
   > Bilateral or dual pulling lines? That is a single winch with two
   four foot
   > arms that pull from the outsid e? Single winch with two arms with
   turning
   > blocks to get balanced dual outside pull? Two horizontal gin poles?
   >
   > Jerry, Slim and Todd we need a to get Russell an on boat mast crane.
   > Throw some wood on the fire. Stan has boats to make; we need to give
   the
   > maestro a workable idea.
   >
   >
   >
   > Ed K
   >
   >
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
   > [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Russell
   Miller
   > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 6:55 PM
   > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list
   > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Introduction---recycled in near future
   >
   >
   >
   > Boat is in a slip, no trailer yet but the hoist system is ala R22,
   >
   > butdesign does not exactly work with the 26. Elton & Stan are aware
   and are
   >
   > working the problem, alaw, a wolution.
   >
   >
   >
   > Russ
   >
   > ----- Original Message -----
   >
   > From: "ed kroposki"
   >
   > To: "'The Rhodes 22 mail list'"
   >
   > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 7:12 AM
   >
   > Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Introduction---recycled in near future
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > > Russell:
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   > > Obviously, it is not a Stan design on the mast crane. Is it on the
   >
   > > boat or trailer?
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   > >
   >
   > > So you are going to be without any boat at Hilton Head?
   >
   > Unfortunately
   >
   > > Lake Hartwell is about 5 hours away. It has been interesting this
   year.
   >
   > > There are supposed to be other R22's on the lake. I am out at
   least once a
   >
   > > week, often mor e lately, never seen them. The last few weeks, the
   most
   >
   > > sailboats I see are 4 or 5.
   >
   > >
   >
   > > If I drag my boat to the sea, I want to go near Georgetown. Do you
   >
   > > know anything about that area?
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   > >
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   >
   > > Ed K
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   > >
   >
   > > Greenville, SC, USA
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